Wrestling Observer Flashback–08.12.91

Previously on the Flashback… http://blogofdoom.com/index.php/2017/01/02/wrestling-observer-flashback-08-05-91/

Although last week the rumors of Flair going to the WWF were mere speculation, this week it’s a different story…

– Just a month after being fired from WCW, Ric Flair will debut (in name only) on WWF syndicated TV as “World heavyweight champion”, although the initials “NWA” or “WCW” will not be mentioned in any form.  Bobby Heenan will have the NWA World title belt and act as a herald of Flair, challenging Hulk Hogan to a match in the process.  This is of course incredibly historic, since it’s the first time that Vince McMahon has ever acknowledged another wrestling organization on his show.  It’s also the first time he’ll start hyping a wrestler before the contract is signed.  (This was of course MIND BLOWING at the time, seeing the Big Gold Belt on WWF TV and the words “Ric Flair” on top of that.) 

– Vince is obviously 100% confident that he can sign Flair to a deal on 09/01, when the WCW contract expires, although he can’t even legally negotiate until that date.  Jack Petrick and Jim Herd made yet another last-ditch effort to bring Flair back, with the common feeling being that Flair was offered the job of booker, although the details of the super-secret meeting were actually sealed by confidentiality agreement.  Dusty Rhodes has been living on borrowed time in the job, and so has Jim Herd, but rumors subsided once Flair turned down the offer.  Jim Herd’s own contract comes due in 01/92, and he’s taking ALL of the heat for the state of the company right now.  Although Petrick had demanded a written plan from Rhodes & Herd to turn the company around, it doesn’t appear that Petrick will be making any moves at this point, or at least not until Herd’s contract is up.  Dusty’s contract runs until 01/93 and would cost millions of dollars to buy out, so he’s safe for purely economic reasons.

– Rumors are rampant that Flair will make a surprise appearance at Summerslam, but legally that can’t happen.  However, word is that Vince is not going to hold off the Flair-Hogan program until Wrestlemania and he’ll go right into it when Flair debuts in mid-September.

– And once again, the name of Bill Watts is coming up with regards to the future of WCW.  He actually gave an interview with the Torch on 8/1 where he pretty much dared Petrick to hire him for Jim Herd’s position and give him a cut of any revenue in lieu of a salary.  Bill Watts on the corporate structure of WCW:  “Turner Broadcasting has turned into a bunch of feudal systems where every head of his division wants to cover his own ass, and here’s Jack Petrik, who doesn’t know shit about wrestling and he’s hired a guy who’s a complete idiot.  Herd is a kind of guy who is a complete back door artist.  He is a corporate animal.”

– Speaking of amazing performances, Cactus Jack and Eddie Gilbert put on a crazy three-match brawl at the Joel Goodhart show in Philly this past week, which pretty much earned Jack his WCW job again.  They did a falls count anywhere match running 16:00 that was said to be ****3/4, then a stretcher match which went 10:00 and hit *****, and finishing with a cage match that actually disappointed because the crowd of 562 was burned out from the previous matches and many were already gone after four hours.  The cage match, said to be ***1/2, ended in a double DQ after they brawled all over the building.  (As I think I’ve talked about before, this was actually an incredibly historic show, because Jack springboarded back to WCW with a renewed push this time, and also the match became the Holy Grail for tape traders for years afterwards.  But most importantly, the success of the match, creatively speaking, led Tod Gordon to buy out the territory from Goodhart in 1992 and form Eastern Championship Wrestling based around the garbagy brawling that got over so big here.) 

– For those who have been losing faith in the sanctity of bodybuilding competitions after news last week of the WBF being fixed, FEAR NOT.  Vince McMahon actually gave a statement to the bodybuilding magazine that reported this travesty of justice:  “It was a complete shoot.  I didn’t care who won.  The Weider Organization is doing everything they can to discredit us.”  (Well I’d say that clears everything up) 

– In an effort to get his bodybuilders over as personalities, Vince is planning on launching a TV show on USA, although it won’t an ESPN-style muscle show because “watching bodybuilders flex is as boring as watching paint dry”, in Vince’s words.

– In Mexico, Octagon is facing charges from a fan who claims that the luchador made homosexual advances towards him.  In fact, the story gained so much traction in the tabloids that Antonio Pena issued a statement to the papers that made the front page:  “Octagon no es homosexual!!”  (Lesson from this:  Do not be gay in Mexico.  And once Trump is sworn in, it’s probably a good plan to be neither gay NOR Mexican in general.) 

– Akira Maeda is trying a new tactic for his RINGS promotion, as he did a job to Dirk Leon-Vri in the main event of his latest show because his belief is that with such a limited pool of opponents, he needs to put as many people over as possible.  (Now there’s a wacky idea.) 

– Dave was really disappointed with the Global lightheavyweight tournament shows on ESPN this week, because the division needs to have guys who work a different style and do things the bigger guys can’t.  In this case, it was just typical wrestlers who happen to be smaller, and only Lightning Kid stood out as something different.  (Maybe they should rebrand it as 205 Live?) 

– Jerry Jarrett settled his issues with the Mid-South Coliseum and they’ll return on 8/5, mostly because the Coliseum was losing too much money without Jarrett on a weekly basis, and they blinked first.  The feeling was that booking WCW shows could make up the lost revenue.  I’ll give you a minute to compose yourself after laughing yourself to death.

– OK, let’s continue now.

– Speaking of hilarious, Joel Goodhart is promising (but not OUTRIGHT promising, but still promising) that the 9/21 show will be headlined by Flair v. Terry Funk.

– Over to WCW, where Barry Windham saved Ron Simmons from a Lex Luger beatdown, thus finally picking a side and going babyface.  Dave is STILL bothered by who is going to pay out the bounty on the Yellow Dog, however.

– The Patriots debuted and immediately flopped.

– Kevin Nash is back as Oz and the people HATED it every time he came out, with the reaction getting worse each time.  Dave thinks they have to keep pushing him to justify the expense of the gimmick.

– Dave thinks that maybe they could have saved themselves thousands of dollars by actually ASKING A WRESTLING FAN if they’d like to see this kind of gimmick before rolling it out.

– Rick Steiner & Bill Kazmaier are working as a regular team now since Scott Steiner is out until the new year, although Rick has a bad elbow so Bill had to carry the matches and thus you can imagine how bad they ended up.

– The lightheavyweight tournament proceeded with such huge names as Richard Morton and Bradstreet advancing, as Dave notes that putting TV jobbers really makes it seem important from the get-go.  (Maybe they can rebrand it as 205 Live?  Oh wait, already used that one, sorry.) 

– The awesome trio of Big Josh, Dustin Rhodes & Tom Zenk won the six-man titles from the Freebirds.  Yes, those are still a thing.

– What would turn out to be a pretty awesome storyline started at the TV tapings, as someone delivered a big box to Sting and Abdullah jumped out and attacked him.  (This actually does lead somewhere!) 

– Eddie Gilbert had talked himself into a job, but already talked himself out of it again by no-showing the tapings because he didn’t want to be a babyface.

– Indy wrestler Van Hammer will be coming in as a headbanger at some point.

– Jim Cornette sent a funeral wreath to Jim Herd’s offices in sympathy for killing the promotion.  (So mean and yet so hilarious.) 

– There’s strong rumors of a bloodletting after the Bash tour, mainly the guys who were under contract where everyone including the company had forgotten about them.

– WCW will be publishing a comic book under Marvel this fall.  (And what a comic book it was!) 

– Missy Hyatt will apparently have a segment on the Power Hour called “Missy Does Mail”.  Dave claims innocence and swears that he never saw that movie.

– TBS sent out promo materials for the home video release of the Great American Bash ‘91 show, featuring the main event of Lex Luger v. Ric Flair and the mixed six-man match in the cage, neither of which actually happened on the show.  Because WCW.

– To the WWF, where they did Wrestling Challenge tapings on 7/30 in Portland ME, and Bret Hart “stole the belt” from Curt Hennig for an angle after a squash match, leading to Hennig working his next squash without the belt.  Read into that what you will, Dave notes.

– Also, Slaughter did a job for Jim Neidhart, but he was wearing his old outfit again and the WWF photographer was taking tons of photos for the magazine, so you can also read into that what you will.

– Dave is pretty sure that Mountie is going to undergo a character change while “in prison” after Summerslam, thus explaining the dropping of the gimmick in Canada.

– Warrior no-showed a bunch of dates these past two weeks due to some sort of personal issues.  (Cue ominous music here…) 

– And finally, wrestlers were told on 7/29 that steroid testing will begin right away, so everyone needs to get off the juice immediately.  (We’re still waiting.) 

 

  • taabr2

    I have always wondered if that Cactus/Gilbert stretcher match was actually rated 5 stars by Meltzer himself or one of his minions, looks to be the latter. Looking forward to Warrior’s exit to see which side Meltzer takes.

    • It was his minions. The range was said to be ****3/4 to *****, though.

      • Stephen

        Stop saying minons, because then I picture Dave dressed up in the Gru outfit.

  • PrideOfCanada

    ‘– Dave is pretty sure that Mountie is going to undergo a character
    change while “in prison” after Summerslam, thus explaining the dropping
    of the gimmick in Canada.’

    BOY, did he ever “drop the character” in Canada. “I AM… *awkward pause* JACQUES ROUGEAU!? Yes, the… Jacques Rougeau gets his man!” https://youtu.be/fPvjlE8fJHA

    • HITMAN7204

      Lol that promo was awesome!

    • anotheraccount24get

      Considering Jimmy Hart calls him “The Mountie”, I’m surprised they didn’t do another take.

    • Stephen

      That was always such a weird lawsuit. The RCMP got him to drop the character on Canadian house shows… but he was still all over the TV shows.

      • chrisH

        He would get cut from TV sometimes. I know that once in 1992, an episode of WWF Cavalcade (the Canadian version of Wrestling Challenge) removed a Mountie “live interview” (those segments with Mean Gene on a platform in the arena) and instead showed Shawn Michaels’s interview from that weekend’s Superstars.

        Also, I remember hearing that TSN aired the 1992 Royal Rumble around 1998 or so and cut his match with Piper.

        • Stephen

          “Also, I remember hearing that TSN aired the 1992 Royal Rumble around 1998 or so and cut his match with Piper.”

          I’m like a billion percent sure that didn’t happen. TSN could barely make space for RAW in those days, they weren’t going to randomly re-air a PPV from 1992.

          • PrideOfCanada

            They re-aired some WCW PPV’s from late 1997 in late 1998, which was baffling.

            But, no. Never any WWF PPV’s.

          • chrisH

            http://slam.canoe.com/SlamWrestlingArchive/jan8_rumble.html

            Apparently, the 1998 re-airing of the 1992 Rumble in Canada was actually on PPV. Some sort of “Royal Rumble special” aired on TSN.

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      Oh shit. This is real? I thought it was just a good joke from last week.

    • Jimmy Hart still calls him the Mountie, too. Delicious.

  • tonybell73

    Jim Cornette is amazing. So petty, vindictive, and spiteful, and yet so dang funny. I can practically hear him talking himself into sending a funeral wreath to Herd’s office.

    • TooDarkMark

      If Herd wanted to turn things around, he would have shown this on TV and let Cornette book a feud with him. Imagine the Midnight Express in a proxy war with Herds sports entertainment ideas? Money. As long as Cornette goes over.

  • Chris B

    Flair’s entrance into the WWF was really well done … the big gold belt, getting in Hogan’s face, starting shit with Piper, hitting Vince with a chair in that awesome wild melee. Some of the best stuff they ever did at the time, Vince really made Flair look like a star

    • squiremarr_

      Agreed. Some of my favorite WWF memories were the Flair years. Funny though that his official unveiling was in front of the cheesiest set of plants you could find this side of suburbia 1991. Also, when the Big Gold Belt was first introduced in the WWF, Monsoon and Neidhart (of all people) kept looking at each other like doofuses after every Heenan sentence.

    • The Silver Fox

      Flair coming to the WWF brought me back after over 2 years of not really watching the WWF.

      • Hmm interesting. What had turned you off about WWF in ’89?

        • The Silver Fox

          I found 1988 WWF a real chore to get through, despite the fact that I loved Randy Savage. In addition, I was busy finishing up my bachelor’s and then master’s degrees, which meant that I didn’t have a lot of spare time. I did continue to watch WCW though (which I pretty much preferred until 1997-98).

    • Starscreamlive

      I always thought Flair hit Vince with the chair, but rewatching it this past weekend, it was Piper who hit Vince. Got up blindly swinging it. It was an awesome angle altogether. I wish they had let Flair be Flair though. He was a caricature of himself throughout most of his WWF run.

      • Nellykins

        Vince got neck surgery not long after this and when Piper returned and shot a promo for either his Goldust or Lawler match a couple of years later, he took the credit for busting up Vince’s neck. Always thought that was a cool touch in a company that hates to remember the past. This was the start of his “I’m the reason Hogan’s got no hair!” promos also

  • TooDarkMark

    Abdullah coming out of the box was literally the first hopeful moment in WCW that summer. Jack came soon after. Man I wish Eddie had come in too. Then let Paul E book, and let Todd Gordon promote. BINGO HALL ERA!

  • Zac Campbell

    So who owns the Cactus/Gilbert footage?

    • Adam The Reindeer

      And more importantly will it ever appear on the Network?

      • Manjiimortal

        You can watch it on Youtube or other such sites easily.

    • I think it was a fan cam actually. I know my copy wasn’t professionally shot or anything.

      • Manjiimortal

        Yeah, the whole thing was taped by a fan. TPW wasn’t really taping their showd in 1991. The barbed wire match and the falls count anywhere were also fancams.

    • Michael Weyer

      I remember reading about it in the Apter mags with Gilbert moaning “never again.”

  • The WCW World Six Man Tag Titles are quite possibly the least-sought after world titles in history.

    • tonybell73

      While I agree with you, I still say Six-Man Tag Titles would be a good idea on Raw.

      • And I agree with you. I’d rather the two brands have different tag styles and champs. Would have been so easy to accomplish too with New Day already being on top.

        • tonybell73

          Right! It would also give them an actual reason to have 6-man matches in the main event too.

        • Stephen

          I don’t think they like six-man titles because even with the CWs on Raw they’re still stretching the roster pretty thin.

          • To be honest, I doubt it even occurred to them.

      • Adam The Reindeer

        I would agree with you if they didn’t already have 2 tag team titles. With the brand split there are already too many titles floating around.

        • tonybell73

          At the next combo show the SD champs should win the Raw titles, and then Steph can introduce the 6-Man titles exclusive to Raw.

      • Kanye Batista

        They need all the ideas and content they can for three hours. I like this idea.

      • Tad Cooper

        I actually think Six-Man Tag Titles would work well for the Cruiserweight division. They like to do the six-man matches all the time anyway… might as well make it mean something.

  • Boomska316 .

    “However, word is that Vince is not going to hold off the Flair-Hogan program until Wrestlemania and he’ll go right into it when Flair debuts in mid-September.” Maybe some more build-up would’ve been better in hindsight instead of just throwing it out there on all the house shows with no warning.

    • Adam The Reindeer

      If they had Flair/Piper running all autumn with Flair going over at the end then WWF fans would buy Flair as a challenger for Hogan.

      • Boomska316 .

        I agree. And it would’ve been nice to see Flair vs Piper on PPV at a time when they could both still go.

      • Mr. P

        How early did they know Hogan was leaving after Wrestlemania?

        • It wasn’t mentioned in the WON until a couple of weeks before Mania, and even on TV, it was a last-minute hard-sell to get people on the fence to purchase the show.

          Hogan was likely taking the spring off for movie or TV roles regardless, but why it took until Mania the next year to bring him back is probably due to Hogan knowing Vince was desperate and was waiting to cash in at the perfect time, and it worked. He got the belt, limited dates, and was allowed to call the shots on who he dropped the belt to when his run wasn’t a success.

          • ADF

            Hogan definitely intended to be back sooner than he actually was. After WM 8, the long-term plan for WM 9 was for him to win the title back from Warrior, who was supposed to win it at SummerSlam, turning heel in the process. If that’s the case, then Hogan likely would’ve been back before the Rumble (so he could win it and get the #1 Contender’s spot) and possibly even earlier.

      • Manjiimortal

        I have some doubts because Piper hadn’t been wrestling full-time since WM3 back in 87, so Flair beating him wouldn’t prove anything, plus Flair selling and showing a lot of ass for Piper, whom himself had never beaten Hogan at that point, would make it laughable for the fans to believe he was able to beat Hogan.

        • Half agree only because Piper pretty much NEVER lost. Though it’s true that a Flair victory over Piper in ’91 is less impressive than, say, 1986 Piper.

          • Manjiimortal

            And they did do it (at a MSG October houseshow at least), and the Hogan/Flair program was still faltering after every match iteration.

          • Yup, actually watched that show the other day believe it or not. Did you ever notice Bobby Heenan was actually ringside managing Flair for that one?

        • ADF

          At the same time, Hogan had never beaten Piper, either.

    • Michael Kehm

      Why didn’t they make Hogan vs Flair at the Survivor Series? They could have switched the title change with Undertaker helping Flair to win the title and then Undertaker wins the Rumble 92. 😉

      • Stephen

        Because they wanted someone who Hogan could beat right away a week later.

        • Robert Hawkins

          True but they protected UT like mad in that loss. I’d argue Hogan looked worse for the win, needing a steel chair, an urn shot and blinding Taker just to get a roll up victory. There’s nobody in his entire run that Hogan had to do that stuff to defeat.

          • ADF

            Well, he did get stripped of the title immediately, so it’s not like WWF wasn’t acknowledging the controversy surrounding Hogan’s win.

      • ADF

        They needed a middleman to help set up Hogan-Flair. Taker was supposed to be that middleman.

        Of course, the Undertaker isn’t a middleman for anyone. That was true even back in 1991.

  • Devin Harris

    Once Vince showed the belt that would have been a good time to send 50 women to flair’s room to convince him to stay. Me thinks he and Vince already had a deal in place

  • Boomska316 .

    This website has the entire run of Marvel’s WCW comic for those morbidly curious: http://www.wrestlingscans.com/

  • Miko363

    “Akira Maeda is trying a new tactic for his RINGS promotion, as he did a job to Dirk Leon-Vri in the main event of his latest show because his belief is that with such a limited pool of opponents, he needs to put as many people over as possible.”

    Or they could trade wins over and over until a former star shows up to give them the rub by, you know, treating them like total geeks then going over them clean.

    • Manjiimortal

      Bit difficult to do when you’re doing a new style and there’s still really no former stars to show up. But it would have been a perfect way to do thing! Just ask Vince!

  • Buffalo Hopscotch

    The more you read about the asylum that was WCW it makes it all the more amazing that Bischoff was ever actually able to turn the company around, even if it was only for a couple of years.

    • taabr2

      You can accomplish a lot with an unlimited spending spree, just look at a certain president elect.

      • By every credible source, Clinton spent much more money than Trump did.

        • Stephen

          I was gonna say. She lost for a number of reasons, but being outspent sure as hell wasn’t one of them.

      • HartKiller_09

        Like Dave Dombrowski’s Tigers and eventual Red Sox, if you spend enough money you can’t help to succeed to some degree.

      • Buffalo Hopscotch

        Yea, but before he was allowed to do that he’d cut costs and started making money on a company that had traditionally been losing millions a year. It’s not like he had the cheque book open from the start.

        It’s like JBL said, if Bischoff had taken any other company (or any other division in TBS) that was losing $10 million and within 4 years had turned it into one that was turning over $400 million and making $50 million in profit he’d of been as a Wall Street genius. But it was wrestling, so he got fuck all credit for it.

    • PeteF3

      Bischoff was able to find ways to cut costs that didn’t piss off the talent, like the much-maligned but financially effective Disney tapings. It’s also mindblowing that Bischoff was the first guy to realize that WCW wasn’t getting any rights fees from TBS for airing their programming. Sure, it was all under the same banner, but it sure helped one bottom line at probably not that much of a cost to the other.

  • slapdabass

    When I heard Cornette tell the story about sending the flowers to Herd, the card read “Dear Jim, congrats on killing the company.” It got delivered to Herd, who thought it must be a mistake and had his secretary take it to Jim Ross. Who promptly sent them back to Herd.

  • tamalie

    Insider fans from 1989 to mid 1992 viewed Bill Watts as the thing that would not only save WCW but also bring it to prominence. Had he arrived in early 1989, perhaps that might have occurred. However, by the time his mid 1992 to early 1993 stint in charge happened, the business had passed him by and WCW was too far in the dumps besides. Watts wasn’t helped by being given a mandate to cut costs and save money that overwhelmed everything else.

    • taabr2

      Still no excuse for pushing his no-good son.

      • PATRICKisLEGEND

        Eh, I’m sure he worked cheap enough.

    • SuckaFreeSince83

      I wish they would add more of the WCW weekend shows from that era.

    • The_Bo

      Would you say it’s comparable to how smarks wanted to see Paul Heyman hired as booker of TNA before he returned to WWE?

      • tamalie

        I think that is a very good comparison although what made Watts seem even more the savior than Heyman was that he’d never failed before unlike Heyman whose last couple of years in ECW leading to the closure were rocky and whose run in charge of ECW under WWE control was nothing to write home about, extenuating circumstances or not.

    • Michael Weyer

      Watts’ ideas weren’t bad but it was just totally against the corporate structure of WCW. Throw in his massive cutting of contracts and it was worse (he really wanted a “pay by night” system set up). Plus, stuff that worked for territories in the ’80s weren’t as good for a national company in 1992. Naturally, his desire to push his son as a new star was a bad move too and it was just a bit too “old school” for fans of the time to get into. Maybe if he’d come earlier, it might have worked but just wrong guy at the wrong time.

    • PeteF3

      Morale and costs were already sunk by early ’93…but part of me really wants to see Watts having been given just another 3 or 4 months. By ’93, Gordy, Doc, Jake, Valentine, and the other guys of his era were out. The guys he was bringing in included Benoit, Scorpio, Regal, and RVD, plus a babyface turn for Cactus Jack.

      I think once he got established, he was more advanced in his understanding of the business than he was given credit for, but it took too long for him to get that point.

  • There were actually WCW Light Heavyweights title tournament matches? I thought that was all made up until the semifinals at the Clash.

    • The_Bo

      the cruiserweight title tournament was made up

    • Stephen

      No, I know I saw the Mike Graham win on Power Hour. Which completely befuddled me at the time.

  • Brian Scala

    IIRC, Johnny B. Badd actually beat the Yellow Dog and unmasked him to reveal Rip Rogers. So there’s that.

  • Boomska316 .

    “Also, Slaughter did a job for Jim Neidhart, but he was wearing his old outfit again and the WWF photographer was taking tons of photos for the magazine, so you can also read into that what you will.” I remember this vividly from the magazine. It was under the Battle of the Titans theme they did each month. The joke of the match was that Andre was in Neidhart’s with his crutches and whenever Sarge started getting ahead Andre would bang on the steps with his crutch and cause Sarge to have, “flashbacks.” I think it ended with Adnan and Mustafa costing Sarge the match in order to foreshadow his face turn.

  • Rainbow Sherbet

    Octagon: “Octagon no es homosexual!! Octagon no es homosexual!!”

    (knock on door)

    Octagon (opening door): “Hola?”

    Jim Barnett: “Que Pasa, Mi Chico!”

  • Justin Henry

    Gordon didn’t really “buy” anything from Goodhart. Goodhart up and vanished the week before the January 1992 supercard which would have had Buddy Rodgers (yes, really) wrestling Buddy Landell. Gordon simply resumed some semblance of Tri-State in the spring, called ECW, while attempting to be far more frugal than spendthrift Goodhart was.

  • PATRICKisLEGEND

    I thought the gift boxes for Sting was a great angle.

    • The Gambler

      And plays right into Sting being the dumbest man in wrestling because he doesn’t know that giant gift boxes fall under the Birthday Cake Rule.

    • Ludwig Bore-ya

      This was a running joke with my friends when it happened. “Hey, gulliable babyface, what’s in the man-sized box?” Either a pony or an ass kicking.
      They should have put Missy Hyatte in the first one, at least then we’d buy him opening the next couple.

      • WILLYOUSTOP?!?

        Didn’t Madusa pop out of one and start grinding on Sting, distracting him so that Luger could pop out of another and stomp the ever loving shit out of him?

    • PeteF3

      And I LOVED the fact that when Jake appeared a year later, he peppered some of his interviews with, “Remember the gift boxes, Sting?” Just a little throwaway line but it was a great detail on the part of Jake or whoever’s idea it was, because that’s totally something Jake would do.

    • rxchrisg

      What match does that eventually lead to? I’d like to see it on the network.

      • PATRICKisLEGEND

        I guess you could say SuperBrawl 2… Sting vs Luger.

  • HartKiller_09

    Flair knew he’d get his deposit back eventually and it was basically a night on the town for him anyway. I don’t know why he gets such a pass on taking the belt to Vince and letting it literally be spit on while the underlying storyline is the belt is inferior to the WWF Championship and it’s preposterous for Flair to suggest otherwise.

    • He got a pass because, for a long time, it was universally accepted (at least in “smart” circles) that Flair was the man and Herd was an idiot. History has proven unkind to Flair’s legacy and a little more forgiving of some of Herd’s decisions, given the overall sad state of WCW at the time. Overall, as someone mentioned earlier, the presentation of Flair in the WWF was so excellent that people were willing to just go with it.

      • WaylonMercy2K17

        If anything, Herd went on to admit that it was a huge mistake for him to fire Flair and that Dusty was the person he should have fired.

    • DMVCubsFan

      I think a big part of the reason Flair gets a pass for bringing the belt to the WWF is that he had been perfectly willing to return it to WCW if they had simply refunded his deposit. Whether the WWF had the legal right to show it on TV is a different question, but once WCW refused to repay the deposit, there’s a reasonable argument to be made that Flair could do what he wanted with the belt.

  • Theberzerker #HOHOHUSS

    “‘Watching bodybuilders flex is as boring as watching paint dry’, in Vince’s words.”

    And yet he sunk millions on starting a FEDERATION for bodybuilders flexing. I think the man has only thought with his dick his entire life.

    • Jordan

      “Watching bodybuilders flex” mostly describes the WWF’s in-ring style from 1985-1992.

      • JasonMK

        This was coming from a guy who’s main attraction wasted 10-15 minutes each PPV flexing.

  • Dino Bravo Sucks

    Here’s the Cactus Jack/Eddie Gilbert stretcher match. I’m not sure it was 5 stars or anything, but it’s….violent.

    • razor172

      Id agree, I can’t really blame the people that relayed Dave the ratings of the first two falls though, they’re both damn good and basically unprecedented in a pre ECW world.

  • thatguyJMM

    Too bad Big Josh and his two dancing bears never challenged for the 6-man titles

    • SuckaFreeSince83

      They would have mauled the competition.

      • Phrederic

        I heard their reaction was too polarizing.

  • WaylonMercy2K17

    Antonio Pena denying the homosexuality of certain wrestlers is certainly as ironic as Wade Keller reporting about Bill Behrens, Bob Ryder and Bert Prentice’s “practices” for hiring certain male wrestlers in TNA.

    • Phrederic

      I have heard nothing about the Wade/TNA stuff.

    • ironmike1996

      can you explain please?

      • WaylonMercy2K17

        Antonio Pena was well known for being a gay promoter and it was certainly no secret that several male wrestlers were hired for their willingness to perform sexual favors for him.

        As it pertains to Wade and TNA, he was one of the reporters who outed Bill Behrens, Bob Ryder and Bert Prentice’s practices of hiring male wrestlers for TNA on the condition that they must perform sexual favors for Bill, Bob and/or Bert (The Naturals and Chris Harris are the most obvious examples of this).

        Quite ironically, Wade Keller (one of the guys who criticized these practices and implied he was homophobic in the process) recently came out of the closet and admitted he’s gay.

  • TheDDG

    Scott’s pandering to the SJW segment of the blog would be more adorable if he were 24 instead of 42.

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