WrestleCrap turns 15!



Scott,

Over at WrestleCrap.com we're celebrating the site's 15th Anniversary!

Yes, R.D Reynolds has been hard at work since April 1st, 2000 (!) remembering and revisiting some of the worst angles and gimmicks in the history of wrestling! 

I wanted to invite the BODers to join us in our merriment and mirth!

(In other words, can I have one of those spiffy cheap plugs please? Thanks!). 
 
-"The Big Cheese" Paul Kraft. 

Sudden face turns that stuck + BoD Fantasy Baseball plug


My name is BonzaiDBSM. I'm a top-5 commentator and a three-time BoD fantasy sports champion AND YOU CAN'T TEACH THAT!

Over the last couple of weeks, we've all touched on our displeasure on endless Authority/heel authority figure angles, and it made me think about how I miss Teddy Long running the ship on SD (back when I actually watched SD, unlike now), because how refreshing when an authority guy comes out to make a logical match to benefit the show and its fans (usually in the form of a TAG TEAM MATCH PLAYA) and not just screwing over a face for the zillionith time. 

But it also made me think about Teddy Long, who played that persona for about a decade, which was amusing because he was just randomly turned. He spent all of 2003 as the black-power heel manager, with Rodney Mack (remember the "White Boy Challenge"?), Jazz, and Mark Henry, went off TV when his guys were injured or released, then pops up on SmackDown in the summer of 04 to relieve GM Kurt Angle of his duties in his now-familiar HOLLA HOLLA GM role. What would you and the other BoDers say were the more notable random, overnight face turns for previous heels that stuck for a long time?

Also, could I get a plug for year 2 of the BoD Fantasy Baseball League? I've sent out e-mails to most of last year's participants (mainly the ones who were active all season) but have room for at least 2 more. I can go into more detail in the comment thread for those interested, but was hoping you could get the word out with a post.

​Done.  
As for overnight babyface turns, Sting's initial turn in 87 was pretty sudden and stuck for 30 years.  Randy Savage in 87 was also a case of "One day he started fighting One Man Gang on Hogan's behalf".  ​

Big Show Face/Heel turns

Scott, 

After some discussion about it on Sunday in the Survivor Series live thread, here is (what I believe to be) the complete list of Big Show face/heel turns. Sadly, done mostly from memory. 

– Joe 

The Giant/Big Show Face-Heel Turns.  ·            1995 – Starts out as a heel in the Dungeon of Doom. ·            July/August, 1996 – Becomes a de facto face in the WCW v. nWo feud as World Champion, feuding with and losing the WCW Title to “Hollywood” Hogan. ·            September, 1996 –  Joins nWo, turns heel against WCW. ·            December, 1996 – Turns face against the nWo, rejoins WCW to feud with Hogan and The Outsiders. ·            May, 1998 – Turns against WCW, joins the nWo Hollywood faction. Feuds with Sting, Kevin Nash. ·            January 1999 – When the nWo reforms, gets dumped by the Hollywood faction and beaten by Kevin Nash who becomes the “Giant” of the nWo.  Debuts in WWF/E.  ·            February 14, 1999 – Debuts at St. Valentine’s Day Massacre as part of Vince McMahon’s corporation, definitely as a heel. Starts to rub the Rock the wrong way though. ·            March 25, 1999 – Punches Vince McMahon in the face at the end of his match v. Mankind, becomes babyface and joins the U.N.I.O.N against Shane McMahon. ·            July, 1999 – Forms heel team with Undertaker against the tag champions Kane & X-Pac, beating them at Summerslam for the belts and losing them to the Rock & Sock Connection. ·            October, 1999 – Undertaker injury leaves Show directionless, starts angle with Boss Man over dying father to become a babyface again. Beats HHH to win the WWF Title to cement the face turn at Survivor Series. ·            January, 2000 – Takes offense to the Rock calling people “jabronies,” becomes heel again. Aligns himself with Shane McMahon. ·            April, 2000 – Becomes happy-go-lucky face the night after WrestleMania. Feuds with Kurt Angle and Shane McMahon. Does an injury angle in May 2000. ·            July,2000 – Returns from injury and turns heel to feud with a now babyface Undertaker, but is almost immediately sent to OVW to lose weight. ·            January 2001 – Returns at the 2001 Royal Rumble, still a heel. Feuds with Rock and Kane. ·            July 2001 – Becomes a babyface when the WWE v. Alliance feud takes over the storylines. Aligned with the WWF, against the Alliance. ·            May, 2002 – Turns heel, aligns with Ric Flair over snub of not being on the WrestleMania X-8 card. ·            October 2002 – Heels on Eric Bischoff because his talents are being wasted on Raw, gets traded to Smackdown as a result. ·            October 2002 – Arrives on Smackdown as a babyface and goes heel immediately, taking out the Undertaker and beating Brock Lesnar in a heel v. heel match for the WWE Title (Heyman turns and joins Big Show, turning Brock babyface). This is a pretty prolific heel run, contending for the World title on multiple ppvs, feuding with the Undertaker, winning the US title and starting his never-ending feud with John Cena. This run ended when in April 2004 he lost a loser gets fired match to Eddie Guerrero and threw Kurt Angle off a ledge or something. ·            September 2004 – Returns to Smackdown to feud with heel GM Kurt Angle, making him a babyface. Stays a babyface through a feud with Angle, JBL, and Carlito before being drafted over to Raw in 2005. Teams with Kane to win tag titles. ·            July 4, 2006 – Gets drafted to ECW and turns heel, aligning with Paul Heyman and beating RVD for the ECW Title. Stays heel for the end of this run until December to Dismemeber in 2006 when he loses the World Title to Bobby Lashely.  Big Show leaves the company in December 2006 and is out until No Way Out, February 2007.  ·            Returns at No Way Out as ostensibly a babyface, then goes heel in Floyd Mayweather confrontation. Show wrestled mostly as a heel, but the face/heel dynamics in the Mayweather feud changed seemingly weekly, ending at Mania 24 with Big Show getting most of the babyface heat at Mayweather most of the heel heat. I think. ·            Definitely a face after WrestleMania 24, feuding with the Great Khali. ·            September 2008 – Turns heel against the Undertaker, aligns with Vicki Guerrero. Some pretty good heel moments here, including his affair with Vicki and tag teams with Chris Jericho (“Jeri-show”) and The Miz (“Show-Miz”). ·            April 2010 – Turns on Miz after losing the belts to the Hart Dynasty, becoming a face and moving to Smackdown. Feuded with World Champion Jack Swagger and CM Punk’s Straight Edge Society, and into 2011 had a pretty great feud with Mark Henry.·            June, 2012 – Gets fired by Johnny Laurenitis on a Monday and turns heel on John Cena the following Sunday. Pretty effective heel run here, winning the World title and dropping it to the bland Alberto Del Rio, making him an interesting face for a bit. ·            March/April 2013 – Aligns himself with faces Sheamus & Randy Orton to fight the Shield, then turns on them after a losing effort at WrestleMania 29. ·            September, 2013 – Becomes a whipping boy for “The Authority,” doing bad things because he had no choice. Turns face and feuds with Orton. ·            November, 23, 2014 – Turns heel against John Cena and joins the Authority; issues a “mea culpa” to the fans that goes unaccepted and remains a heel. 
​I believe the actual number was calculated to be 32 by the uber-nerds of the wrestling world​, so you're actually a few short here, believe it or not.  Mind-blowing, I know.  Makes Lex Luger look like a stable personality.  

QOTD #47: Heel Turns

Question of the day: Besides Hulk Hogan, who’s heel turn surprised you the most?

Yesterday’s Question: Who’s your favorite professional athlete of all-time – outside of the wrestling business? 


As usual, you guys didn’t disappoint with the responses……………….





ToddLorenz: It’s not even close. Earl Campbell.

Yeah
Earl was pretty awesome – no argument there.

Aric Johnson: Tom Brady. Anybody you doesn’t like it can seriously kiss
my fucking ass.

Alrighty
then (talk about a complete 180)….



Mikey
Mike
: Albert Belle. He was my favorite player when I
started watching baseball in the mid 90s and was such a badass on top of being
one of the best hitters in baseball. Two favorite memories of Albert are when
getting his bat checked for cork in the 95 playoffs he pointed at his bicep and
told Red Sox mgr Kevin Kennedy “The Cork is right here bitch.”

My
favorite baseball moment of the 1990s. I was kinda sad at the way he went out….can
you imagine how those Capital Hill hearings would have ended if Albert Belle
was on the stand instead of McGuire? I’d pay MONEY to see that

jobber123: I used to be a die hard boxing fan and RJ was my guy all the
way. That fucking chicken wing punch was the coolest shit ever. Now a days my
favorite fighter is Andre Ward. Mostly because I’ve followed him from day one
because James Prince and rap a lot were his promoters.



I
thought Roy Jones was awesome too….but I have to admit: this clip is HILARIOUS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcl0u5OfD_M


TMCoolTrainerBret: It was Steve Yzerman at first but reading Alan
Eagleson’s demolition job on hockey got me off that sport. I was partial to
Marc Bulger, but then he got sacrificed so badly by the Rams that they might as
well have painted a six pointed star surrounded by a circle with candles and
Latin tomes and shit and just done it there instead of behind the worst
offensive line in football.

Nowadays I like Mike Trout. I’m getting into boxing a bit because I did
research to write up a boxing match for BoD Raw, so Gennady Golovkin is someone
I’m keeping an eye on. For MMA, I’ve always been impressed by Jose Aldo, and
think hes basically the best in the world right now.

If we go into fiction? Well that really opens things up. Chris Smoove on
YouTube in his NBA series is my ideal type of basketball player, a point guard
that can direct the offense, make 3 with high levels of accuracy, and posterize
noobs when necessary. I also like Shin Seijuuro from Eyeshield 21, a football
comic in Japan, where Shin is a decently powerful high school linebacker capable
of running a 40 in 4.2 seconds. Another Japanese comic guy I think is hype is
Maruo Eiichirou from Baby Steps, who is a tennis player that relies on
intelligence and guile rather than power and speed, although he does undergo a
physical transformation that enables him to play tennis at a higher level and
be able to hold his end of the game power and speed-wise.

X-Man: Easy.. Muhammad Ali… the Greatest. I idolized him growing up,
his swagger, his boxing acumen, and his rags to riches story. He fought for
America in the Olympics, he fought against America during the Vietnam War, went
to jail for it, and came out a hero.

Muhammad
Ali – The Greatest. Gotta respect a man willing to pay the ultimate price.
Courage gets thrown around a lot, but he epitomized it.

parallax: Ken Griffey Jr. he was so good that he kept up with the
steroid monsters in the 1990’s in home runs and to my knowledge never once got
accused of taking any. If he wasn’t such a show off in the outfield causing him
to get hurt so much he would have broken Hank Aaron’s record. If he had a more
engaging personality and wasn’t so reserved he would have been the Michael
Jordan of baseball.



Jobber123: My favorite football player of all time is the great Steve Young, and
the closest I ever came in my life to a bar fight was against some dude who
called him a one hit wonder and a Mormon faggot. I was ready to fucking step
outside right then and there but cooler heads prevailed. I was born in 1982 and
have watched football as long as I can remember, and I love the 49ers but I
have never seen a more bad ass football player than young. He was fucking crazy
tough, super clutch, played with a total flair and was 15 years ahead of his
time. The 1994 Superbowl was awesome but my greatest Steve Young memory was him
firing a picture perfect pass to TO to finally beat the fucking packers (who I
hate more than any other football team including the cowboys)



Riraho: Whoa, tough one. With honorable mention to Larry Bird, Kevin McHale,
Martin Brodeur, Patrik Elias, Wayne Gretzky and Tom Brady…
…I’d have to say Drew Bledsoe. He was my clear favorite in my hardcore
growing up sports crazy time frame. Which made for a bizarre dynamic for me
when Brady took his place and started winning.

Jared Bellow: It’s a tough call…and maybe more of a personal
fascination…Mike Tyson. The kind of power and drive he had was just unreal,
he was a force of pure malevolence.

Generally I lean more toward “all time greatest” types like Jordan or
Anderson Silva but Tyson, and especially his story and what became of him, are
fascinating to me.



WILLYOUSTOP?: Being from Denver, no question: John Elway. His winning two Super Bowls
at the end of his career was the perfect storybook ending, particularly when
you consider that the only reason the Broncos got the “privilege” of
being slaughtered in three previous Super Bowls was Elway carrying the team to
the big one.

After that, George Brett has always been a favorite.

Great
answers from the blog. We also got the requesite handful of Michael Jordan
responses as well, and there’s no question hes the greatest. My personal choice
would be Deion Sanders – without question. I’m a bit surprised nobody said it,
but still. How many guys can be so great at 2 different sports as Primetime?






QOTD #15: Ill Conceived Heel Turns

Happy long weekend BoD! All is right with the world; Joey
Chestnut reigns supreme, and the Cubs waved the white flag.
Today’s Question:
What was the most
ill-conceived heel turn you ever saw?
Answers tomorrow. If you want to head over to the
discussion, just scroll to the end of this column, or hit “Comments” at the
top.

Yesterday, I asked you about your favorite 4th of
July traditions. These are things that are specific to you; and as a result I’m
not going to comment, but rather share some of the variety of answers you
brought to the blog.
SodiePop: Used to be the entire family going to a
family friend’s house on the lake (pretty well-off folks) and going boating,
tubing and grill out. Nothing beat that. That family ended up breaking up,
everyone sort of went their separate ways about 10 years ago and the tradition
died. I still miss the hell out of those days, and ever since then the 4th
hasn’t been the same. I still struggle to find BBQs and parties to attend every
year, sadly.
BooBoo1782: Now, my favorite Fourth tradition is the
Boston Pops concert at the Hatch Shell. I’ve gone twice and caught the tail end
of a third (the one with David Lee Roth) from Storrow Drive), and had a
blast…also enjoy watching on TV when I can’t go to Boston.
TseugThatsGuestSpeltBackwards:
When I was a kid, the people on my block
would blow up old appliances (tvs, stereos, etc.) Those were the good ole days
parallax1978: Playing a game of Civilization 4 as George
Washington, watching a documentary from History Channel on the revolution, and
then watching Independence Day the movie.
Mister_E_SeesTheLineInTheSand:
Everyone knows that July 1st is really
where it’s at, but this year I decided in honour of you murican’s that I’d go
out and get half plastered on the company dime. You’re welcome, we can
definitely talk about making this a tradition.
daveschlet: Mine is watching War Games 1, from July 4,
1987. I watch it every 4th of July. One of my favorite matches ever and easily
*****
And finally, the winner of the comment of the day because
this just sound so bloody awesome…
jobber123: My favorite 4th of July tradition is going
out drinking on Newport ave in ocean beach and then watching the fireworks on
the beach…and then taking part in the annual marshmallow fight. Once the fire
works start THOUSANDS of people start throwing marshmallows at each other. I
remember the first year I was just randomly there and I was fucking blown away
by what was happening. Been back for every year since, I’ll be there tonight!
Sometimes I just like to hangout and watch it and if you aren’t throwing them
no one will throw them at you…unless your perched up on one of the rocks to
watch the fireworks. The you get smoked either way. The first time I went there
was this wicked young couple probably like 18/19 year old kids up on a rock
kissing under the fireworks and when it the marshmallows came out they got the
full on assault.
My neighborhood absolutely needs to adopt this. Mallowing
the hell out of unsuspecting newbs would make my year, and the fact that all
ages can get involved makes this all the better. One condition however; they
MUST be cleaned up before the morning, because holy hell the bugs!

Thanks for stopping in. As always, I’ll catch
you tomorrow, same BoD time, same BoD place.

New PTB piece: “As The Shield Turns”

I rarely write about specific wrestling angles, but this one made me scrap what I had planned after Payback (I don’t even remember what it was at this point). Anyway, be sure to catch the potential spoiler for my possible next article that, if I write it, might get certain sections of smarkdom to break out the pitchforks on me.

http://placetobenation.com/as-the-shield-turns/

Greatest/Worst vs. Favorite/Hated Heel and Face Turns

I thought this might make for an interesting topic for the blog, given recent events involving CM Punk: what do you consider to be the greatest (in other words, the best executed and/or most significant) heel/face turn in professional wrestling history and the worst? Also, which heel/face turn would you consider a personal favorite (whether or not it did anything for business) and which did you absolutely hate with a passion?

Oo, fun list!
Best executed:  Paul Orndorff on Hulk Hogan.  Made sense from a business standpoint (#2 face upgrades to #1 heel), made sense from a storyline standpoint, drew MILLIONS of dollars in house show revenues alone.  Turned me into a fan for life.  Secondary honors go to the Midnight Express for making the Dynamic Dudes look like the gullible rubes we all knew they were.  The best ever face turn was clearly Virgil in 1991.  
Worst executed:  British Bulldog on Diesel in 1995.  Made no sense because they had no prior interaction, set up a title match that no one wanted to see and ended up being one of the lowest-bought PPVs in history, took a career midcarder in a loser tag team and suddenly we're supposed to buy him as a main event threat?  Epic fail all around.  Secondary honors go to both times that Billy Gunn turned on his tag team partners and failed as a single (Bart Gunn in 96 and Road Dogg in 99).  Worst face turn would probably be Randy Orton in 2004 because he looked like a weenie and it accomplished nothing.  
Favorite:  Barry Windham joins the Horsemen in 88. My friend was in TEARS when we were watching.  Also, Flair turning on Sting at Havoc 95 has gained momentum with me over the years to the point where I now love it and all the little nuances associated with t.  
Hated:  Mabel's turn in 95.  We all knew what was coming and there was nothing we could do to stop it.  

Turns that were never explained

What's worse than a wrestler turning for a stupid reason? 
A wrestler turning for NO reason!
Fill in the blank- Lex Luger decided to go from a being a narcissist, to a patriotic face, because according to him _______________
 

Yokozuna's Japanese terrorism made him realize that he was an American first and a egomaniac second.  Pretty sure he said that early on.
That one isn't even on the radar of all the stupid turns that people did under Russo, and generally we didn't a reasoning other than "I don't owe you idiot fans an explanation!"  I find that "explanation" to be the most infuriatingly lazy copout writing, and believe me, I know lazy copout writing.  Even something like Batista's "I got sick of kissing babies and ugly fat chicks" speech is all we need to find motivation for someone.  It didn't used to be a problem in the 80s because everything got weeks to gestate with promos and Special Updates with Sean Mooney and such, but once we got into the Attitude era things got silly.  
That being said, there are generally some tried-and-true reasons for turning that can be thrown out easily without the need for explicit exposition when an explanation is needed:
1)   Blood is thicker than water!  Hey, sometimes loyalty to your family or former allies trumps common sense, like with the Hart Foundation or the reunion of DX in 2000.
2)  Money talks!  This one goes without much explanation.  Tatanka in 94, Garvin in 88, Windham joining the Horsemen in 88.  
3)  America, FUCK YEAH!  (Or hell no).  Sgt. Slaughter used both of these rationales for turns.  More than once!  And of course Lex Luger falls under this one.  
4)  I want the title!  This one is less used now because no one gives a shit about titles anymore, but you've got Powers of Pain in 88 and a bunch of others who have turned on the champion to get a title shot.  
5)  My name is Inigo Montoya!  Personal vengeance for perceived wrong, like Rick Martel on Tito Santana in 89, Batista on Rey Mysterio, or Shawn Michaels on Marty Jannetty.
6)  I want respect!  Most famous is Paul Orndorff in 86 (although it could also fall under #5), and of course CM Punk today.  You could also throw Austin 2001 in here.
7)  My Enemy's Enemy Is My Friend!  Kind of related to #1, but this one has become more refined in the "Wacky Tag Team Partners Who Hate Each Other" era with the people involved then becoming allies against a common foe.  I wanna say RVD and Sabu off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's tons of better examples.  
Those are the big ones but of course there's many more.  And I didn't really cover the original topic, but it's my blog.

Heel turns gone wrong

So at the ROH I-PPV best in the world Kevin Steen cut a Heel promo eviscerating the crowd for being hypocrites and going so far as to yell FUCK NEW YORK! in the Hammerstein.  all i could think of when the crowd refused to boo him regardless of what he said was the monster pop Austin got after beating the Rock at wrestle mania as the result of going heel. If you've commited to a big heel turn where you say Fuck the fans (literately in Steen's case) and the crowd won't hate them, how do you fix it.  I only know about the Austin example through DVD's and the near universal agreement heel Austin didn't work since it was before my fandom, so i can't even look back on that for comparison in the long term.  I guess  my question is this, if you turn your top baby face Heel, but the crowd still reacts like he's the top baby face how do you fix it, you can't just take what they said to turn heel back can you?   

The first time Austin had that problem they just turned him into the top babyface and drew billions of dollars.  I don't see ROH drawing significant money with Steen, but I don't see why they can't just run with him as a babyface who insults the crowd.  What booker in their right mind would look at the top guy in the promotion getting monster reactions and go "Shit, we gotta FIX this!"?  
The Austin thing was different, because it went beyond the heel turn at Wrestlemania and carried into changing the character into something that people didn't want to pay money to see, the spineless and self-loathing jellyfish who needed emotional support from his former arch-enemy.  It was an awesomely nuanced character played by completely the wrong person for the role.