Taker loses to DIESEL!

Hey Scott,
 
        Let's get crazy hypothetical here.  You're reviewing the Raws leading up to WM 12.  While we know Big Kev leaves for WCW, he DOES get a ppv main event in April (the awesome Mad Dog's leg match).  If Mick was already debuting in promos before WM 12, AND shows up the Raw after to attack Undertaker, then why not have Mick debut at Mania itself.  What better way to introduce a new character and feud then on the biggest show of the year.  Nash and Taker could brawl, and Mick comes out attacks Taker and Nash wins.  Nash uses his win to go for Shawn, Taker and Mick have insta-feud.  It's weird to think of a world without the streak, but I always wondered why Nash (in storyline) would deserve a title shot after jobbing at Mania. 
 
        Bonus Question: Where else might you have pegged Taker for a loss at WrestleMania before the last few years?  The obvious ones were HHH at 17 which we know now was political, and Orton at 21 in a "legend killing" moment?  Are there any other actual times Taker could've/should've lost?

​Really, there was little reason for Nash to be jobbing at that point aside from imminent departure.  Turning him had really freshened up the character and they could have pushed him again with no problem.  I like the cut of your fantasy booking jib with that one.
As for the second question, I think without question Flair should have won given the ridiculously one-sided beating that Taker delivered leading up to the match and during the match itself.  He basically terrorized Flair's family, for fuck's sake!  AA hitting that spinebuster and giving Flair the win would have exploded the Skydome, but of course it wasn't meant to be.  ​

Taker vs Reigns


Hindsight being 20/20 would it have been better for the Streak to stay intact and do Reigns vs Taker and Bryan vs Brock for the title this year? This way you satisfy both fanbases and it's not like beating the Streak did all that much for Brock anyway. Plus, giving the rub to Reigns with the Streak would be way better than beating a lame duck champ that is leaving.

​The problem is not Brock or the streak or any of those other things.  The original plan of "Brock breaks the streak, destroys champion at Summerslam, lays waste to WWE until conquering hero gets mega-rub at WM" is totally viable and fine.  The problem has always been that Reigns is the wrong guy and has never worked in the role.  So no, giving Reigns the streak win instead of the Brock win doesn't help anything.  ​

Taker at WM. Whats the point anymore?

The Streak is over so what really is the point of Undertaker at Wrestlemania anymore?  I get a match with Sting would have been something as far as icon vs. icon but with Bray?  It seems like just another match.  Is Taker just gonna job out at Wrestlemania now once a year to give an imaginary rub to guys who could have used it by actually BEATING THE STREAK?  And if he beats Bray so what?  Its not like it’s the start of another streak and Bray loses to a 50 year old guy.  Nobody really wins no matter which way they go.  So again what exactly is the point of this match?

 
​To build momentum!  Create separation!  Move towards fulfilling their legacy at the Hall of Fame!  WRESTLEMANIA SIGN!
Yeah, I got nothing either.  ​

Taker sucking… Then not sucking so much…

Scott,

I was just watching summerslam 2000 which featured the hundredth lame, pace less taker/Kane matchup. Throughout the early 2000s, Taker was such a drain to watch- slow, unmotivated, refusing to sell for smaller guys, working an outdated style and by all accounts protecting the hell out of his spot backstage, arguably to the detriment of the up and coming next generation of talent. The Kurt Angle job at fully loaded springs to mind in particular. Fast forward a few years, taker suddenly seems a hundred times more motivated, working that pseudo mma style he developed and putting newer talent over. Do we know when or how this change began? Was there any talk in the dirt sheets about a change in attitude?

Cheers,
Joe

​There seemed to be a combination of things, but mostly it was the change in style to the MMA-patterned offense where he only busted out the high-impact stuff on an occasional basis.  Plus being the Wrestlemania guy really seemed to invigorate him, knowing he could go all out one time and then take a bunch of time off to recover.  I think probably the Kurt Angle match in 2006 and then the Batista match at Wrestlemania were the true turning points, but it was pretty gradual from the low point of 2000-2002.  ​

Brock v Taker – UFC to WM

Hey Scott;

Why do you suppose it is that in the build for Brock/Taker there's been no mention of the brief encounter between the 2 after Brock's loss at UFC 121?

I understand that the footage isn't their's to use (though I just listened to an interview with Ariel where he said he'd happily open that door for them) but I mean not even a mention by Heyman or have Cole at least bring it up.

Whether you think it was legit or a work, it would still give the feud a feel of realism since it took place outside the WWE umbrella and could show that this has been building for a long time.

My only thought is that they don't like it as it shows UT out of character and even if they don't use the footage, they don't want people going and looking for it on YouTube.  But that seems like a small issue to potentially add to what has been a pretty boring build.

Thoughts?

I think that out of all the issues with the feud and buildup, that is the least of them.  For instance, what exactly was the point of Brock v. Big Show at Royal Rumble?  Show just came back like nothing happened and it was never mentioned again.  

Brock v. Taker

” I’m pretty sure that WWE knew that Brock was leaving, but it’s just that WE didn’t.  So I don’t think there were any plans for him. “
I’ve heard that McMahon had a hard on for matching up Lesnar with the Undertaker. Lesnar and Undertaker were planned to feud after Wrestlemania XX. Lesnar was sick of working with the Undertaker due to his reluctance to job and general difficulty working together. Lesnar was also fed up with other workers such as Undertaker getting lighter schedules when Brock was expected to work the full tilt schedule. The two had a confrontation after a UFC event if you recall.

Um…you know that “confrontation” was a work, right?  And if they really disliked each other, they wouldn’t be setting up a worked pro wrestling match.

Brock v. Taker

” I’m pretty sure that WWE knew that Brock was leaving, but it’s just that WE didn’t.  So I don’t think there were any plans for him. “
I’ve heard that McMahon had a hard on for matching up Lesnar with the Undertaker. Lesnar and Undertaker were planned to feud after Wrestlemania XX. Lesnar was sick of working with the Undertaker due to his reluctance to job and general difficulty working together. Lesnar was also fed up with other workers such as Undertaker getting lighter schedules when Brock was expected to work the full tilt schedule. The two had a confrontation after a UFC event if you recall.

Um…you know that “confrontation” was a work, right?  And if they really disliked each other, they wouldn’t be setting up a worked pro wrestling match.

Brock v. Taker

” I’m pretty sure that WWE knew that Brock was leaving, but it’s just that WE didn’t.  So I don’t think there were any plans for him. “
I’ve heard that McMahon had a hard on for matching up Lesnar with the Undertaker. Lesnar and Undertaker were planned to feud after Wrestlemania XX. Lesnar was sick of working with the Undertaker due to his reluctance to job and general difficulty working together. Lesnar was also fed up with other workers such as Undertaker getting lighter schedules when Brock was expected to work the full tilt schedule. The two had a confrontation after a UFC event if you recall.

Um…you know that “confrontation” was a work, right?  And if they really disliked each other, they wouldn’t be setting up a worked pro wrestling match.

Brock v. Taker

” I’m pretty sure that WWE knew that Brock was leaving, but it’s just that WE didn’t.  So I don’t think there were any plans for him. “
I’ve heard that McMahon had a hard on for matching up Lesnar with the Undertaker. Lesnar and Undertaker were planned to feud after Wrestlemania XX. Lesnar was sick of working with the Undertaker due to his reluctance to job and general difficulty working together. Lesnar was also fed up with other workers such as Undertaker getting lighter schedules when Brock was expected to work the full tilt schedule. The two had a confrontation after a UFC event if you recall.

Um…you know that “confrontation” was a work, right?  And if they really disliked each other, they wouldn’t be setting up a worked pro wrestling match.

Brock v. Taker

” I’m pretty sure that WWE knew that Brock was leaving, but it’s just that WE didn’t.  So I don’t think there were any plans for him. “
I’ve heard that McMahon had a hard on for matching up Lesnar with the Undertaker. Lesnar and Undertaker were planned to feud after Wrestlemania XX. Lesnar was sick of working with the Undertaker due to his reluctance to job and general difficulty working together. Lesnar was also fed up with other workers such as Undertaker getting lighter schedules when Brock was expected to work the full tilt schedule. The two had a confrontation after a UFC event if you recall.

Um…you know that “confrontation” was a work, right?  And if they really disliked each other, they wouldn’t be setting up a worked pro wrestling match.

Brock v. Taker

” I’m pretty sure that WWE knew that Brock was leaving, but it’s just that WE didn’t.  So I don’t think there were any plans for him. “
I’ve heard that McMahon had a hard on for matching up Lesnar with the Undertaker. Lesnar and Undertaker were planned to feud after Wrestlemania XX. Lesnar was sick of working with the Undertaker due to his reluctance to job and general difficulty working together. Lesnar was also fed up with other workers such as Undertaker getting lighter schedules when Brock was expected to work the full tilt schedule. The two had a confrontation after a UFC event if you recall.

Um…you know that “confrontation” was a work, right?  And if they really disliked each other, they wouldn’t be setting up a worked pro wrestling match.

Brock v. Taker

” I’m pretty sure that WWE knew that Brock was leaving, but it’s just that WE didn’t.  So I don’t think there were any plans for him. “
I’ve heard that McMahon had a hard on for matching up Lesnar with the Undertaker. Lesnar and Undertaker were planned to feud after Wrestlemania XX. Lesnar was sick of working with the Undertaker due to his reluctance to job and general difficulty working together. Lesnar was also fed up with other workers such as Undertaker getting lighter schedules when Brock was expected to work the full tilt schedule. The two had a confrontation after a UFC event if you recall.

Um…you know that “confrontation” was a work, right?  And if they really disliked each other, they wouldn’t be setting up a worked pro wrestling match.