Roman Reigns unexplained hate….

Hey Scott, quick question….

Can you explain my extreme hatred for Roman Reigns? I mean I really liked him in the shield and I even liked when he started his singles run but since the Royal Rumble, I HATE the guy. I mean I do not even want to see him on my tv HATE the guy. Is it because I am pissed that Daniel Bryan got pushed to the undercard so swiftly…I am also a Dean Ambrose fan so I am so confused how they cannot hear the support for him even after all the horrible months of booking….

I loved Roman's Wrestlemania match because it featured two things: he got destroyed for most of the match and he lost at the end!
I did throw out an audible groan when he survived 3 freaking F5s but the Undertaker could not the year before. 

What do you think? How can I get over this? Because I am thinking about leaving the product and the Network for good since the new shows are gonna suck…

Thanks!

​Yeah, but kicking out of 3 F5s after the Undertaker couldn't is intended to build him up as a badass main event guy.  So that was deliberate and I didn't mind it.  In fact, as I've said all along, I have NO PROBLEM with Reigns and I had no problem with Reigns as the top guy.  As long as there was a good story to get him there and he was ready. Which there wasn't, and he wasn't.  They had a story in place since March 2014 and they just didn't bother to tell it until March 2015.  Sorry, guys, but you can't make a new main guy with that kind of lazy buildup.  
As to how you can get over it, I would suggest gazing on Roman's beautiful hair and meaty thighs, then watching the Brock match a bunch of times.  Seeing Reigns getting his ass handed to him in spectacular fashion and knowing in advance that he fails really is quite cathartic.    ​

Roman Looks Stronger?

So, the scuttlebutt at other boards I've seen is that, ironically, they did the best job of making Roman Reigns look strong in defeat.  Having him smile at Lesnar's attacks, spit in the ring at him, beg him to bring more, etc., actually made him look like he was a fighter.  I was reminded of The Thing vs. The Champion in comic books, in that Thing is almost never the underdog but the one time he was it was more awesome for him.

Agree or disagree?

​We'll see what the followup entails, but the best analogy I've heard is that Reigns is Tommy Dreamer, who the fans resented because he was a "pretty boy" with a push forced on them.  So Heyman booked Dreamer to take hellacious beatings from Sandman, over and over, until the audience had their catharsis and no longer wanted to boo him.  Unfortunately Reigns has a host of other issues holding him back from the top spot, but the beating at WM was definitely a step in the right direction.  ​

Roman Reigns / Baron Corbin


Hey Scott,


Do you think the fans that dislike Roman Reigns would have been more accepting of him if post-Shield he received more of a Baron Corbin characterization and/or push? You know, he comes out, doesn't say anything, does that thing where he cocks his fist for the Superman punch, knocks the guy out, wins, and walks away.

I feel like they need to bring Vince back for commentary so he can fully explain to the viewers about Roman's meaty thighs and beautiful hair, much like Big Show didn't get over until Michael Cole fully explained how big his hands are.  Or how Tamina didn't get over until they explained how she was Jimmy Snuka's daughter.  MONEY LEFT ON THE TABLE.

And for a general answer to the question, almost literally ANYTHING would be more effective than how they've booked Reigns thus far.  

Roman Reigns = RATINGS

…for stuff on the other channels.

Hey, don't worry, things will pick up again when it's Wrestlemania season!  
Seriously, I don't think I could possibly come up with worse ways to book the top players right now.  How hard is it for Rusev to keep coming out as "Russia #1, USA, HOCK-PTOOEY!" and Cena's all like "Hey, America is the home of free speech so shut the fuck up, commie!" and then they fight?  It's worked for SIXTY FUCKING YEARS NOW.  You bring out Cena with an American flag and a Marine honor guard for Wrestlemania and this shit writes itself.  But instead the heat is supposed to be because John Cena, who is 5 years or so younger than the average age of the RAW viewership, is the grizzled old veteran who is too old and beat up to face the young lion.   Oh, and apparently top babyfaces Daniel Bryan and Roman Reigns are too stupid to figure out that HHH is manipulating them, even though he goes on TV and SAYS SO.  
On the bright side, NXT will glorious tomorrow night.

Woo Woo Woo… Roman Ryder!


I'm going to self-plagiarize a comment I made in tonight's Reigns thread for an e-mail:

You know who was more over than Roman Reigns? Zack Ryder.You know who has a better personality than Roman Reigns? Zack Ryder.You know who doubtlessly sold more merchandise at his peek than Roman Reigns? Zack Ryder.
You know who is better in the ring than Roman Reigns, even slightly? Zack Ryder.You know who is the same age as Reigns (only 11 days older, in fact) and has years more ring experience? Zack Ryder.You know who has more than a MILLION more Twitter followers than Roman Reigns (because WWE cares about that)? Zack Ryder.
You know who fans were unquestionably more willing to get behind than Roman Reigns? Zack Ryder.Do I think Zack Ryder should've been pushed to the main event of WrestleMania as a face? Heck no. But even Zack Ryder circa 2011-12 was in better position to receive a mega face push than Roman Reigns in 2015 is.So even though a guy "deserving of burial" like Ryder outclasses Reigns in every conceivable category except  "intimidating look", Reigns gets the superman push. Does it really come down to Vince just completely misreading his audience and/or having a massive hard-on for Reigns? 
-Michael Xavier


I believe if this were a rap battle, this is where you'd drop the microphone in dramatic fashion and walk off the stage.  

Roman Empire

So why is everyone so whiny about Roman Reigns winning the Royal Rumble when Roman Reigns winning the Royal Rumble was literally the plan since WM30?


What I mean is, we're acting like this is some big utter injustice instead of the plan to get over a homegrown star. We keep demanding new stars, fine.  They're making a new star.  Stop bitching.

Or is it because Daniel Bryan has that many uncompromising fanboys?

What exactly have they done to "make a new star"?  Have him tell nursery rhymes and go 50/50 with Big Show on TV?  Wow, what a star making performance.  The problem isn't Reigns, the problem is that they're shitty bookers and somehow expecting Reigns to magically become Steve Austin by laying in the corner and selling at the Royal Rumble.  People may hate Cena on top, but in 2004 he was on an inevitable rocket to the top and holding him back would have been a stupid business move.  Reigns is just a guy.  A B+ player who's a good hand at the moment.  

Roman Reigns

Is it possible we're all misunderstanding what WWE is doing with Roman Reigns?
Remember how they got Randy Orton over as a heel? he was pushed as a babyface,
then got injured. All the while he was injured they built him up in such a way
that when he returned he was super over…as a heel. Having Reigns be awarded
the 'Superstar of the Year' by a supposed fan vote, the constant updates on
him, all the crap about how everyone considers him The Next Best
Thing….could Roman Reigns be the next Corporate WWE World Heavyweight
Champion? Because if this is actually supposed to get him over as a main event
face, they're going about it all wrong.

Apparently the fan voting was legit.  That being said, he's not Batista and there is no Daniel Bryan in the Rumble this year for fans to organically rise up for.  I'm sure he'll be fine with that certain segment of the audience that cheers for Cena and doesn't mind getting pandered to with crap like "WWE Universe" and their Twitter updates during matches, but the backlash against him online is just kind of a bad sign.  

Roman Reigns Nickname Generator

I was just thinking to myself that the thing holding Roman Reigns back from greatness is that he doesn't have enough nicknames yet.  Like with Steve Austin, who didn't really break through as a top level guy until he became "The Rattlesnake" in addition to "Stone Cold".  So clearly, the solution for Reigns is to have even more nicknames.  Now, we of course all know and love him as The Juggernaut and the Big Dog and use those in everyday conversation ("Yo, dog, did you peep the Juggernaut on RAW last night?  The Big Dog was wiggity-wack!") but I feel like he needs at least another four WWE-mandated nicknames for Maggle Cole to tell us about before he'll have the support to beat Brock Lesnar.
So fire away.

Roman Reigns Reverse Psychology


If it's fair to say John Cena, Batista and Randy Orton become established main event stars circa 2005, then is it fair to say WWE has only gotten two guys over in the past 9 years as new main event acts? (CM Punk and Daniel Bryan.)


If WWE wants to truly get Roman Reigns over, shouldn't they have him lose a lot and tell us he isn't an A+ player?

Reverse psychology Is the only recipe for creating a main event star that has worked the past decade. 

Snark aside, there is actually something to that.  You kind of have to make the fans want to make a guy to get the maximum effect out of it.  Rocky didn't become the top star until the backlash from his initial push faded and then the FANS felt like they decided he would be a top guy.  The same thing is kind of happening with Ambrose, where the fanbase is getting more behind him as a top guy than WWE intends and it's probably forcing their hand somewhat.  Honestly, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the Authority to start screwing with Reigns and making him work for his push.  If you book him in ridiculous odds week after week and he overcomes them in the end, that's how you make a star.  Throwing all these softball feuds at him is just gonna make him look like another guy.  

Roman Reigns column


Hey Scott, James again. Roman Reigns and his push have been a hot topic, so I wrote a column about it. I'd appreciate the plug!

http://badmanbureau.com/2014/07/19/believe-in-roman-reigns/

​The Diesel comparison is a really interesting one, because you can make a similar comparison between Ambrose and Shawn Michaels, where they annointed Big Kev as the chosen one and people ended up turning Shawn into the bigger star by far.  ​

Let’s talk about…..the fall of Roman Reigns

Let’s talk about….the fall of Roman Reigns
As he stood under the lights on Monday night, Roman Reigns
passed his first test with flying (well, decent) colors. The newly anointed savior
of our sport stood alone and cut his first main event promo, looking and
sounding like he belonged in front of us. The fans ate it up like a whale at a
buffet featuring all-you-can-eat Jonahs.

So where did this sinking feeling come from?
Let’s establish up front that the push of Roman Reigns has
proceeded rather flawlessly; indeed, the Shield has been handled as well as any
talents we’ve seen in the last ten years at this point. Slowly building Reigns
up, with few jobs and strong victories, his ascension to the top of the card is
nearly complete. We’re several months away from his final coronation, but
barring any injury or unforeseen circumstances, he will be holding the title
aloft at the end of Wrestlemania 31.
Speaking of unforeseen circumstances….
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to
repeat it” – George Santayana
Time for a stroll down the memory lane, don’t you think?
In the past 5 years, we’ve seen the ascension of 2 unlikely
stars to the top of the ranks in WWE; CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. And we’ve seen
the rejection of all of the following stars that WWE has tried to get over into
that spot – Alberto Del Rio, Ryback, the returning Batista, and old card
mainstays such as Cena, Orton, and the Big Show. In each instance, the fan base
has rejected these options in favor of the fan-grown wrestler that the audience
connected with. The booking of Roman Reigns does not fill me with confidence
that this trend will be avoided in the near future.
The fact is, I think that we’re seeing a new breed of fan
that has grown and matured over the last 5 years or so, and that fan is the
informed fan. Not the smark, like us, who analyze wrestling to a ridiculous
degree, but the fan who knows more about what is going on due to the internet
or whatever medium they use than ever before. I believe that the fanbase has
conditioned itself to reject many of the creations that WWE gives ‘superhero’
pushes to; initially, those wrestlers are welcomed as someone new to the main
event scene.
As time goes on, however, there is a real role that the fans
have taken on in determining who they want to receive a push, and not allowing
that push to happen organically is playing with fire. If Reigns is indeed the
long game for ‘Mania this year, the concern that I foresee is the fans getting
tired or restless with his domination to the point that they will reject him
the same way they eventually rejected a wrestler such as Ryback.
“Ryback? Reigns is twice the wrestler Ryback is!” Hmmmm….is
that really true? Reigns has been extremely protected up to this point with
regard to his weaknesses in the ring, which are very real. He fits in well as
the heavy finisher in tag matches, but can he carry a match on his back when he
needs to? I don’t put him in Scott Steiner territory by any stretch of the
imagination, but any wrestling fan can see that he has a severely limited
moveset to put it mildly. Spear, Superman Punch, dropkick to the ring apron. The
rest of what Reigns does in the ring is very basic kicky-punchy clothesline
type wrestling, and that type of wrestling has been a big part of what the fans
have rejected in guys such as Cena and Ryback.
Remember the Ryback push? He was given a pretty big shove
out there, pinning multiple wrestlers at once with big power moves to get him
over as a monster. Much like Reigns has been protected in tag matches, Ryback
was protected with short squashes. He was given title matches with Punk, main
events with Cena, both of whom are excellent workers, and the matches came up
relatively short. He was given a simple catchphrase to get over, which he did.  I think that the similarities are more evident
than people think. The only difference is that, when the time comes, I think he’ll
go over for the belt, whereas Ryback did not.
And that could be a problem. Because the fan’s role in
deciding whether or not he finishes his push at the top when the proverbial
rocket gets him all the way there is going to be determined by the epic nature
of his matches. And I’m not at all convinced he’s ready for that; while we make
fun sometimes of fans who may not know what’s really going on, ringwork has
always gotten people over. Just look at the Steiner/HHH debacle vs the
Angle/Benoit classic on the same show; wrestling fans will buy into good
wrestling . Will he be ready by Wrestlemania? Of course, he could be.
But what happens if they can’t sustain his act that long?
People tired of Cena’s superman act years ago, and have been vocal about that
to the point where it needed acknowledgement on television, something that
never would have happened to a top babyface from another era. Of course, Cena
is a special case, as his merchandise sales and public image for the company
require that he be kept a BINO (babyface in name only), but the boos far
outweigh the cheers. I don’t know that Roman has that type of skill set yet –
the ability to do the intangible things that are needed to sustain that type of
run at the top.
Contrast that with the man getting the second biggest pops
on the show right now – Dean Ambrose.
Ambrose is currently most smarks’ pick for the breakout star
of the Shield waiting to happen, and it’s all in how he carries himself in the
storytelling of his matches and his angles. He comes out and the crowd has NO
idea what is going to happen next. He wrestles like no one else on the card at
this time, sells like a motherfucker, and in general is a complete professional
wrestler.
But the reason that I see Ambrose as the bigger star down
the road is that he doesn’t feel like a WWE creation – he feels like a real
(crazy) person, who has no real equal in the Fed when it comes to both his
character and his unique ringwork. The fact is that if the fans are going to
choose the next main event star, I suspect that they will tire of Reigns faster
than they tire of Ambrose.
And that’s a real problem, because the WWE is going to
forget the history of even the last few years again. 
The rise of CM Punk came
because his character was unique and people were dying to see something that
didn’t look like John Cena up top. The fans rejected Batista because they didn’t
want to see the same thing, they wanted Daniel Bryan, who wrestled a unique and
different style than anyone else at the time, and who had a character that
appealed to the masses as a true underdog babyface, something that hadn’t been
done in a long time. The fact is, Roman Reigns is exactly what the WWE sees
when they look for a main event talent.
And the fact is, the fans have rejected that notion multiple
times over the last several years.
Please understand, I’m not rooting against Roman Reigns in
the slightest. I hope he pulls it together and proves me completely wrong. He
not only has the look, he has the same type of attitude that put Batista over
the top back in the day, the ‘cooler than you vibe’. It might carry him all the
way.
Or that rocket could explode before it clears the
stratosphere.
And that fall can kill you.
Rick Poehling
@MrSoze on twitter

Roman Reigns

Hey Scott
 It's well known  that Roman Reigns is being groomed to be the next breakout star. While I agree he has great potential, I don't consider him to be the sure thing every1 else does.  He's had 2 high profile singles matches that had ZERO heat and were quite the letdowns. (Punk,Wyatt) His  3 big moves get great reactions but main eventers are expected to perform in the ring for what–20 to 25 minutes.  I just don't see him being able to pull that off on his own anytime soon, if at all. Do u see any possibility where he turns out to be the next Ryback?
They can't protect him forever.



Randy Orton and Batista beg to differ.   

Roman reigns

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> If there's nothing we can do to stop the Roman Reigns super push than why don't they go the full nine and have him challenge Taker at WM 30. It actually makes sense as the Shield put him through a table last time we saw Taker. Taker comes back in the Rumble and ends the Shield's "diesel run". Taker can run through Rollins and Ambrose en route to Mania but always get speared by Reigns. Reigns make the challenge and then puts on a great effort before getting tombstoned and pinned. They can do the Rock/Hogan ending where the Shield turns on him for failing only for Taker to make the respect save and boom! Reigns is mega star and face.

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Sure, that would be fine. Long as they don't do something stupid like the Legacy three way from 2010 (2009?).