WCW Randoms

Scott, Some random WCW questions, just for a change-of-pace from the Network/stock content lately. . . 1. In 1994, WCW brings in Hogan to big fanfare, they shoot their wad right away with Hogan beating Flair for the title in his first match. . .then Hogan isn’t even on the next ppv, Fall Brawl ’94.  What gives?     Much like Brock, Hogan had a limited set of dates and neither side wanted to waste one on that show.  2. Have you ever seen or reviewed any of WCW’s 1998 internet-PPVs?  “Boston Brawl”, “Malice at the Palace”, “Profiles in Pain”, “L.A. Melee”.  The Boston Brawl show sounds like a pretty decent card, with Hart vs. Flair, Benoit vs. Guerrero, Malenko vs. Jericho, Booker vs. Rotunda, and Steiners vs. Saturn/Raven, all before Hogan vs. Sting.   Nope.  Heard of them before, although I can’t imagine how horrific a streaming PPV would be in 1998!  3. Whose idea was the “Dungeon of Doom”?  Was there ever any explanation of why guys like Brutus and Sullivan are suddenly dressed for Halloween?  Kevin Sullivan was a known NWA/WCW commodity, but he’s suddenly “The Taskmaster”? Well, he did used to be the Gamesmaster, so it wasn’t unprecedented or anything.  Usually “because WCW” suffices, though.    4. For all his faults, Ric Flair showed a LOT of ass in 1994-1996 in the name of Hulkamania (and Macho Madness, to an extent). He was basically Just A Guy during that time.  Was there ever any rumor of Flair going back to the WWF in the Hogan era?  1993-1996 WWF wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire and it seems Vince/Flair were on good terms after Ric’s previous run.  Flair returning to Titan to reclaim “his” title from Bret Hart, Lex Luger, and/or Shawn Michaels might have generated a little interest. He was locked up pretty tight, but during the dispute in 98, yes, there was absolutely rumor of him going back to the WWF to work with Austin instead of going back to WCW.  Honestly, I don’t know why he didn’t, because he was getting treated like crap at the time anyway and probably could have made partying money for a year doing a run with Austin as the Corporate Champion. 

WCW/NWA Randoms

Scott, 

1. In 1990, WCW/NWA finally got the chance to put the world title on Sting, putting him over Ric Flair at Great American Bash of that year.  Sting fought through the Horsemen, then lost a WarGames match to them in early 1991.  Then they transitioned to the Flair-Fujinami program for the world title, with Sting & Luger challenging the Steiners for the tag titles.  Clearly the Flair-Fujinami stuff was in place to draw for the SuperShow in Japan and for the first SuperBrawl.   Flair's premature departure (without dropping the belt to Lex Luger at GAB'91) or not, it was going to be Lex Luger getting the belt back, not Sting.  Did WCW have less faith in Sting as their top guy?  Or did they just have a long-term plan of doing heel Luger vs. face Sting at SuperBrawl II?  It seemed odd that they wouldn't get the belt back to Sting after the Fujinami vs. Flair stuff played out.  

Sting was a HUGE flop as champion, and yes, they lost all faith in him as a result of the Black Scorpion stuff.  And yes, I know it wasn't his fault and it had more to do with Ole Anderson, but really even from the start of that reign it was apparent that fans were more interested in the chase than the payoff.  They pretty much had to have "Scorpion" lose at Starrcade to pay off the whole mess, but they were taking that belt off Sting as soon as humanly possible after that (about two weeks after, in fact).  

2. Before Hogan's arrival in 1994, WCW appeared to be going a bit retro-NWA, with Flair taking the title back from Vader at Starrcade '93 and rekindling the Steamboat feud in '94.  With Steve Austin's star on the rise, Sting and Vader still in the mix, and a less-cartoonish product seemingly coming back, where do you think WCW goes if Hogan never arrives?  Without Hogan and his buddies Brutus, Duggan, Orndorff, HTM, etc coming in, WCW obviously doesn't become as mainstream, but what do you think happens with the product long-term without the influx of WWF guys?
I think they go belly-up or shrink drastically into a TNA-level syndicated non-powerhouse, taking WWE castoffs to survive.  The Bischoff hail mary pass of Monday Nitro saved the company and the Hogan heel turn sent it into the stratosphere, but WWE was just not going to be denied in the long run.  

Randoms

Scott, just did 72 straight hours at a hospital for residency and decided to unwind by reading over the BoD and some old Keller stuff.  Find that your feedback is always factually correct so had a few questions if you could post.
1) How exactly did Bret Hart return to WWE?  Was he approached by Vince to add a big name to that years WM?  Did Bret approach Vince looking for closure by having one last WWE run?  They must have had numerous conversations about Owen, royalties, etc. in his absence, and as recently as 05 I can remember Bret still claiming he’s never go back.
2) How do wrestlers PPV payouts work?  Was watching an old Jericho interview where he talks about expecting a 9 figure WM 19 bonus but was given a 7 figure check.  Always figured it was just a % of the net for the main eventers and a lower % for the mid card but this is a huge discrepancy of money so there can’t be be a standard policy in place?
3) I HATE Sheamus.  Don’t find him entertaining, interesting, or great in the ring.  I’m assuming he’s gonna be in the main event for the foreseeable future and might be targeted by Vince as the face of the brand when Cenas done.  PLEASE tell me I’m wrong!!!!!!!
Thanks for the time,
Mark

You hear that?  FACTUALLY CORRECT.  1.  I think Bret said they basically approached him about going into the Hall of Fame and he was feeling like he had held the grudge long enough.  Seems like as we get into the HHH era, a lot of burned bridges are unburning again. 2.  There’s no standard policy, it all depends on the contract.  Plus PPV revenues are basically in the toilet these days compared to even 10 years ago, so most of the money for your average WWE Superstar™ comes from merchandise and extracurricular things like that.  In WCW, Hulk Hogan used to get [x] dollars downside guarantee, PLUS something like 25% of the gross PPV revenue as well.  So shows like Starrcade 97 would put millions of dollars in his bank account, and WCW still made millions off the deal.  These days the guys are getting even more screwed because the company will cook the numbers to make the stock look better, sometimes just straight up moving money from one division to another and the wrestlers have no say in what they’re getting paid.  So yeah, your Rocks and Brocks and Cenas get the biggest chunk and then everyone else just kind of waits for Wrestlemania and hopes to get residuals from videogames and DVDs. 3. I don’t think they see him as the future of the company given his age.

Quick Randoms

Scott,

Some random questions for you…

1. Was Scott Norton ever a target for Vince & the WWF?  He seems like the kind of power dude they love.  He looked like a legit tough guy, had a good heelish look, and had the lumbering, roided power offense Vince loved in the 90s.

Good question.  He could have had Norton any time he wanted when the AWA was on their deathbed, so I'm presuming that there wasn't any interest in him.  

2. Are there any guys you think should have been tag team partners (that could have actually happened, time-wise).  At a glance, Rick Martel & Paul Roma made sense to me as a pretty boy heel team ("Not in the face!").  Boss Man & Virgil teaming up against Money Inc., Nasty Boys, Disasters in '92 sounded logical to me at the time too.  The Crush/Adam Bomb 'New Demolition' thing could have been cool in '94 as well.  In '98, I loved the prospect of Benoit & Malenko vs. Jericho & Guerrero, when Dean & Jericho were feuding.  In 2000, a teaming of Saturn & Tazz could have been cool, especially with how deep the tag team ranks were that year.

I think Rick Rude and Randy Savage in 1989 would have been pretty awesome.

3. What one guy would you have liked to see absorbed during the WCW acquisition?  Several guys were left out; any glaring omissions?

AJ Styles.  He'd probably be a main eventer today for WWE if they had brought him in instead of cutting the contract loose and letting him go to TNA.  But really who knew that a random guy in the cruiserweight tag team division would turn out so awesome?

4. Was Hogan vs. Warrior II ever actually slated for a particular show (not the WCW version!)?

Wrestlemania VII.  It was pretty much planned from even before Warrior won the title in the first place.

5. What was Vince's fascination with Warrior?  For all the erratic behavior, contract/money demands, Vince had no problem getting rid of him a couple times, but he ends up back in '92 and '96.  For a guy who 'didn't draw' well enough to replace Hogan, what was the deal with WWF going back to him repeatedly?

He projected the air of a superstar and was juiced in as a main event guy. That's how it works.  

6. What ever happened to Dan Spivey?  Sid became a multi-time world champ in both promotions, but Spivey never really became anything.


Too many injuries, not dependable, wanted to work Japan.  Take your pick.  

7. In relation to the above question, is there an example of an established tag team having BOTH guys end up really successful?  One guy always ends up a bigger star (Hart Foundation, Rockers, Skyscrapers, Edge/Christian), but I guess the Hardys both did fine for themselves?

Yup, Hardys both did good, although Jeff is clearly the bigger star.  You could say Windham and Luger, I guess.  Dusty Rhodes and Dick Murdoch both did well for themselves.  

8. I remember it being mentioned in 2000 that, of the Radicalz, it was Perry Saturn the WWF really wanted to push.  Was that ever a 'thing'?  Benoit & Guerrero did well right out of the gate, but Saturn never really made it big.

I also recall hearing that they basically wanted Saturn and took the other three as bonuses.  

9. Along the lines of Saturn, are there any wrestlers you think were just best-suited for tag team work?

Jeff Hardy.  I'm glad he's doing well for himself, but every time he plays face in peril in a tag match it makes me wish he had stayed down that path instead.  

SummerSlam Randoms Redux

Scott,

Quick randoms, re: SummerSlam

1. Favorite Summerslam?

1991.  Great show up and down the card with all the babyfaces going over in the blowoff matches.  

2. Favorite SummerSlam match?


Warrior destroying Honky Tonk Man at the first one.  

3. Do you ever think the 1991 main event should have been Hogan vs. Warrior Part II?  They could have spent the period between Wrestlemania 7 and SummerSlam with Hogan & Warrior knocking the Sgt. Slaughter team around at house shows, only to have Warrior demand a title shot at SummerSlam.  To this day I'm surprised Hogan never made sure that Warrior return job happened (in WWF anyway).

Having that match at Summerslam would have been a giant waste of a potential Wrestlemania monster buyrate. 

4. At the time, and to this day, it seemed like SummerSlam 2000 should have been headlined by HHH vs. Y2J for the title (with Rock vs. Benoit, Undertaker vs. Angle rematches from Fully Loaded).  Was that ever planned, or was it decided early on that Kurt Angle was going to be the next guy elevated?


I don't remember the specifics of the time period, but Angle was the guy getting the rocket up his ass almost as soon as he debuted.  

5. Did the WWF really plan on Mabel being something following SummerSlam 1995, or was he just Monster-of-the-Week to be fed to Diesel?

I don't think they had any plans for him past Summerslam, no.  

6. Was Hogan vs. Austin ever slated for SummerSlam 2002?  That year, SummerSlam was held in Toronto, like Wrestlemania, which had the white-hot crowd for Rock-Hogan.  Capitalizing with Hogan-Austin AND Rock-Lesnar seemed a given.  Weird.

Dude, you've asked this one before.  2002 was in LONG ISLAND, not Toronto.  And no, there was no plans of Hogan-Austin. 

7. Is Bret vs. Owen from SummerSlam 1994 the best one-on-one cage match ever?

No, Magnum-Tully is.  

SummerFest Randoms

Blogger’s e-mail posting system is currently fucked, so if multiple posts start popping up randomly tonight, blame that. 

Scott,
A few random questions for you…


1. Was SummerSlam 2004 the right time for a Randy Orton title run?  When they rushed Brock Lesnar to the top a couple years earlier, it made some sense because the guy just seemed so dominant that having him wait to go after the title would not have made sense.  Orton seemed like a guy they really wanted to rush to the belt as well, but I was on hiatus at that point and have no idea if the guy was over to that point.

He was not.  He was a popular heel Intercontinental champion, but pushing him to the World title almost killed him off for good as a main eventer.  It was WAY too soon.  It wasn’t until his second run at the top in 2006 that he was legitimately a guy who could carry the belt.  Basically it was only done to spite Brock Lesnar and make Orton the youngest champion.  

2. Were there earlier plans for Edge to get his first world title?  The briefcase cash-in after Elimination Chamber was a perfect way for an unpredictable opportunist character to win, but it seemed like a long wait, seeing as dudes like Orton, Batista, Cena, Bradshaw all got reigns before him.  King of the Ring in 2001, multiple runs with other titles, a homegrown guy, but waited a good seven years for that first reign (of millions).

There was no plans for him earlier, and he had to fight through a lot of bullshit to get his early reigns in the first place, in fact.  

3. Was Hogan vs. Austin originally slated for SummerSlam 2002?  That year SummerSlam took place in Toronto just like Wrestlemania, so a return to the “Icon vs. Icon” thing made sense for that venue (and white-hot crowd).  A double main of Rock-Lesnar and Hogan-Austin could have been something special.  Maybe do HBK’s return as a DX tag team match vs. Undertaker & Kane and have a breakup lead to HBK vs. HHH at “Unforgiven” the next month (so it’s not overshadowed).  If Austin had not had the personal issues at that time, it seemed sensible to have him beat Hogan in a “passing the torch” icon main event, then have Austin put Lesnar over.  Brock could claim wins over Hogan, Rock, and Austin and head into the stratosphere.

@SethMates could probably give a better idea than me of that time period, but no, I’ve never heard of Hogan v. Austin being scheduled for Summerslam or any other time.  The closest was Wrestlemania but Austin didn’t want to work with Hogan because the match would suck, so we got Rock-Hogan instead.  And Summerslam was in Long Island in 2002, not Toronto.  You’re thinking of 2004.  

4. When Chris Benoit came back from the neck injury in summer 2002, should they have pulled the trigger on a “comeback title win” soon after, instead of waiting until Wrestlemania XX?  Having Benoit do the “fight the power” sort of thing against HHH over the newly-established World Title sounds more appealing than HHH vs. Kane.  However, Hunter was pretty actively burying people around that time, so maybe I should delete this one. . .

Benoit was on Smackdown in 2002 anyway.  Plus the best time would have been 2001, in the Austin matches in Canada.  By 2002 he was having great matches with Brock on house shows, but didn’t really have enough momentum to justify getting the belt. 

Summerfest Randoms

Scott,
A few random questions for you…
1. Was SummerSlam 2004 the right time for a Randy Orton title run?  When they rushed Brock Lesnar to the top a couple years earlier, it made some sense because the guy just seemed so dominant that having him wait to go after the title would not have made sense.  Orton seemed like a guy they really wanted to rush to the belt as well, but I was on hiatus at that point and have no idea if the guy was over to that point.

He was not.  He was a popular heel Intercontinental champion, but pushing him to the World title almost killed him off for good as a main eventer.  It was WAY too soon.  It wasn't until his second run at the top in 2006 that he was legitimately a guy who could carry the belt.  Basically it was only done to spite Brock Lesnar and make Orton the youngest champion.  
 

2. Were there earlier plans for Edge to get his first world title?  The briefcase cash-in after Elimination Chamber was a perfect way for an unpredictable opportunist character to win, but it seemed like a long wait, seeing as dudes like Orton, Batista, Cena, Bradshaw all got reigns before him.  King of the Ring in 2001, multiple runs with other titles, a homegrown guy, but waited a good seven years for that first reign (of millions).

There was no plans for him earlier, and he had to fight through a lot of bullshit to get his early reigns in the first place, in fact.  
 

3. Was Hogan vs. Austin originally slated for SummerSlam 2002?  That year SummerSlam took place in Toronto just like Wrestlemania, so a return to the "Icon vs. Icon" thing made sense for that venue (and white-hot crowd).  A double main of Rock-Lesnar and Hogan-Austin could have been something special.  Maybe do HBK's return as a DX tag team match vs. Undertaker & Kane and have a breakup lead to HBK vs. HHH at "Unforgiven" the next month (so it's not overshadowed).  If Austin had not had the personal issues at that time, it seemed sensible to have him beat Hogan in a "passing the torch" icon main event, then have Austin put Lesnar over.  Brock could claim wins over Hogan, Rock, and Austin and head into the stratosphere.

@SethMates could probably give a better idea than me of that time period, but no, I've never heard of Hogan v. Austin being scheduled for Summerslam or any other time.  The closest was Wrestlemania but Austin didn't want to work with Hogan because the match would suck, so we got Rock-Hogan instead.  And Summerslam was in Long Island in 2002, not Toronto.  You're thinking of 2004.  
 

4. When Chris Benoit came back from the neck injury in summer 2002, should they have pulled the trigger on a "comeback title win" soon after, instead of waiting until Wrestlemania XX?  Having Benoit do the "fight the power" sort of thing against HHH over the newly-established World Title sounds more appealing than HHH vs. Kane.  However, Hunter was pretty actively burying people around that time, so maybe I should delete this one. . .

Benoit was on Smackdown in 2002 anyway.  Plus the best time would have been 2001, in the Austin matches in Canada.  By 2002 he was having great matches with Brock on house shows, but didn't really have enough momentum to justify getting the belt.  

Randoms

Hi Scott
 
A few fairly random questions if you're interested.
 
 
Sure.  Maybe I'll do a whole e-book on this sort of thing one day and clean out my inbox for good.  
 
1) I dug out Owen-Austin SS 97 recently for the first time in ages and it got me thinking. What if Austin's injury had been serious enough to retire him at the time? Given the momentum they finally had, what do you think the most sensible strategy to employ short-to-medium term would have been in order to maintain some momentum without "Stone Cold"?
Man, the world would have been a totally different place, for sure.  I think maybe the development of Rock and HHH would have been rushed forward and they would have survived in the long term, but I don't think there would have been the same kind of boom without him.  
 
2) Was there ever any prospect of putting the AWA World title on Sgt. Slaughter in 1985? I'm pretty sure he was there at the time and it seems to me that he would have been the perfect champion for the promotion during the Reaganite eighties, especially when it came to competing with Vince.
There was never any thought given that I know of, no.  Slaughter was considered on the downside of his career even back then.  Please I think Gagne considered him a gimmick worker, and he always wanted "real" wrestlers to be his champions.  
 
 
3) Leaving aside whether the match was ever seriously proposed, if Hogan-Bret at Summerslam 93 had gone ahead what do you think the best way to book both the match and the buildup would have been?
 
I don't know, because it would have been a really weird dynamic, and the more time they had to build it up, the more time that Hogan would have to get out of doing the job.  Frankly I think Bret was fooling himself if he thought that he was ever going to get a win over Hogan without something drastic happening.  I think that Bret would have ended up doing a quasi-heel turn like Shawn Michaels in 2005, where they have a series of misunderstandings and Bret finally turns on him, only to learn his lesson in time for a team-up against the foreign heels.  Or something.  
 
4) What's your opinion of Slick? No real reason beyond the fact that he was one of the more prominent managers of the Hukamania era yet his name never seems to come up except in passing in any discussions.
 
I love Slick and was always a big fan of his in the good old days.  Once he found Jesus, not so much, but the pimped out heel character was entertaining as hell, especially on the squash shows.  He was a lot of fun to hate.   

Randoms

Hey Scott, just a few questions if you have the time.

1. What was the general smark consensus of The Rock during his prime in 2000? Did RSPW/smarks in general appreciate his in ring work or did they hate the fact that he was on top with repetitive promos and called for a Benoit/Jericho push or was there some sort of weird hybrid opinion? After watching all of his PPV matches that year, it shocks me that people could hate on his in ring ability during that time period. Dude carried RIKISHI to a good match! That year just solidified him as my all time favorite wrestler.

People, specifically Herb Kunze, used to rag on his in-ring ability until about 99-2000, at which point I think the Iron Man match won them over.  But yes, there was a lot of “Push Benoit and Jericho” stuff instead. 

2. You ever still go through the old RSPW posts periodically? There’s some pretty great howlers if you dig deep enough, my personal favorite being a thread calling for Buff Bagwell to be the main focus of Nitro.

Nope, I’ve moved on. 

3. Happy the Kings won?

Absolutely.  After the Canucks get knocked out, I have three qualifications for who to cheer for:  A first time winner, then an underdog, then the team that knocked out the Canucks because at least they got knocked out by the champions.  The Kings fulfilled all THREE of those.  I think they might even be my new backup team, we’ll see. 

4. Why wasn’t Scott Hall ever given a WCW Title run? I know the obvious answer would be “no way they could trust him” but I’d like to think he was close enough to Bischoff that it wouldn’t have mattered and he could have used some pull to secure a nice little reign for himself. Come to think of it, they should have given Hennig a run too.

The answer is “no way they could trust him.”  It mattered, no matter how close he was to Bischoff.  Even Nash wouldn’t have trusted him, I’m pretty sure. 

Title Randoms

Scott,
A few random questions regarding titles:
1. What was the concept of the original NWA Television title?  Was it just some arbitrary belt they decided to stick on a singles guy, or did it really have a gimmick attached to it in which it was to be defended on every TV show?

2. Do you think we will see the WWE and World Heavyweight titles unified any time soon?  The "SuperShow" thing makes the brand extension basically null and void at this point anyway.  Besides, in the kayfabe sense, wouldn't one champion (especially a "best in the world" type like CM Punk) be wanting to prove who is the "real world champion" ala Ric Flair in 1991?  Having two (theoretically) equal titles kind of flies in the face of the World Champ paradigm in general, especially in the kayfabe sense.

3. Do you think HHH will end up with some more World Titles so he can claim he has more than Flair?  Or is that still even a 'thing'?

4. Would the booking strategy of having CM Punk hang on to the title for a year bring back any luster to the gold?  He's already got a pretty long reign going by modern standards.  Sad commentary?

5.  We blog about regrettable title reigns often.  Arquette, The Miz, Vince Russo, Vince McMahon, etc.  That is more from the IWC standpoint, but what do you think are some of WWE's most regrettable title reigns?  The ones that even Vince and the bookers would secretly admit they'd like to erase (aside from Benoit, for different reasons).

1.  No concept, just a vague title that was supposed to be defended on TV more often than the other singles belts.
2.  Two titles = Twice the merchandise that you can sell to people wanting to buy replica belts.  They're just props to WWE at this point anyway.  
3.  No one cares anymore.  Cena is like, what, a 22 time champion or something by this point?  Orton has 47, right?  
4.  It'll mean something when he gets beat, but only as long as they make it mean something.  If Daniel Bryan wins it and then jobs to someone in 18 seconds right away it'll mean nothing again.  Cena held the title for over a year and then they had that PPV where it changed hands THREE TIMES in the same show and suddenly it meant nothing again.  
5.  I think Arquette and Russo for sure.  I'd also add HHH's first two title reigns, because had they waited until he was hotter after the Steph turn the win over Big Show would have been GIGANTIC for him.  

Cena Randoms

Hi Scott,
A few random ones for your post-Wrestlemania mailbag…
1. Was there ever a John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan match in the works years back?  More frightening: do you think that is STILL an option, given Hogan-Vince’s penchant for money-based reconciliation?  I could totally see it if Cena wins this Sunday and declares himself the ‘biggest star ever’.
2. Did Steve Austin ‘refuse’ to work with Brock Lesnar in 2002-03 or was it Austin’s personal issues that prevented that match from happening?
3. The Rock has a history of being able to do high-profile jobs, yet cutting a promo and being right back on top.  Dude put over Lesnar in summer ’02 and had the highest-profile match on Wrestlemania 19; put over Goldberg clean the next month, returned at WM20 without a hitch.  Mick Foley put over everyone under the sun and maintained his credibility.  HHH’s longevity is another story entirely because of wholly unprecedented circumstances.  Is there anyone else you think fits this mold of guys who can maintain their top spot while doing high-profile jobs?  Conversely, are there guys who NEED to be handled with kid gloves in regards to jobs?
4. Do you think we will see Dave Batista in WWE again?

Eh, these are interesting questions, so we’ll do this as a pre-WM mailbag.  1.  Never heard anything on that front.  I suppose you can never say never in wrestling, but Hogan’s hip is pretty destroyed and Vince had plenty of other opportunities to do “dream matches” with Hogan the last time he was under contract and only did a couple.  Plus, 6 years ago both Michaels and Orton had to lay down for Hogan, and there’s no fucking way John Cena is laying down for him, and nor should he.  So that would be right out.  2.  Austin outright refused to do the job to Lesnar.  3.  Undertaker has done a zillion jobs in recent years without losing an ounce of cred.  He’s done so many jobs without losing cred that most people don’t even think of him as someone who does jobs, which is weird.  Dude put over Great Khali, Big Show, Mr. Kennedy, CM Punk and tons of others, some of them clean as a sheet.  The guys who need kid gloves are the ones who aren’t allowed to get over on their own, which is to say everyone else.  Ziggler was looking like a main eventer in January, but he’s done job after job after job since then and now he’s already plummeting back to the midcard again.  And he gets no promo time to get himself over again.  Those are the guys you have to be the most careful with:  The ones JUST on the verge of breaking through. 4.  Yes.  But if not, he’ll make out OK.

Cena Randoms

Hi Scott,
A few random ones for your post-Wrestlemania mailbag…
1. Was there ever a John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan match in the works years back?  More frightening: do you think that is STILL an option, given Hogan-Vince’s penchant for money-based reconciliation?  I could totally see it if Cena wins this Sunday and declares himself the ‘biggest star ever’.
2. Did Steve Austin ‘refuse’ to work with Brock Lesnar in 2002-03 or was it Austin’s personal issues that prevented that match from happening?
3. The Rock has a history of being able to do high-profile jobs, yet cutting a promo and being right back on top.  Dude put over Lesnar in summer ’02 and had the highest-profile match on Wrestlemania 19; put over Goldberg clean the next month, returned at WM20 without a hitch.  Mick Foley put over everyone under the sun and maintained his credibility.  HHH’s longevity is another story entirely because of wholly unprecedented circumstances.  Is there anyone else you think fits this mold of guys who can maintain their top spot while doing high-profile jobs?  Conversely, are there guys who NEED to be handled with kid gloves in regards to jobs?
4. Do you think we will see Dave Batista in WWE again?

Eh, these are interesting questions, so we’ll do this as a pre-WM mailbag.  1.  Never heard anything on that front.  I suppose you can never say never in wrestling, but Hogan’s hip is pretty destroyed and Vince had plenty of other opportunities to do “dream matches” with Hogan the last time he was under contract and only did a couple.  Plus, 6 years ago both Michaels and Orton had to lay down for Hogan, and there’s no fucking way John Cena is laying down for him, and nor should he.  So that would be right out.  2.  Austin outright refused to do the job to Lesnar.  3.  Undertaker has done a zillion jobs in recent years without losing an ounce of cred.  He’s done so many jobs without losing cred that most people don’t even think of him as someone who does jobs, which is weird.  Dude put over Great Khali, Big Show, Mr. Kennedy, CM Punk and tons of others, some of them clean as a sheet.  The guys who need kid gloves are the ones who aren’t allowed to get over on their own, which is to say everyone else.  Ziggler was looking like a main eventer in January, but he’s done job after job after job since then and now he’s already plummeting back to the midcard again.  And he gets no promo time to get himself over again.  Those are the guys you have to be the most careful with:  The ones JUST on the verge of breaking through. 4.  Yes.  But if not, he’ll make out OK.

Cena Randoms

Hi Scott,
A few random ones for your post-Wrestlemania mailbag…
1. Was there ever a John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan match in the works years back?  More frightening: do you think that is STILL an option, given Hogan-Vince’s penchant for money-based reconciliation?  I could totally see it if Cena wins this Sunday and declares himself the ‘biggest star ever’.
2. Did Steve Austin ‘refuse’ to work with Brock Lesnar in 2002-03 or was it Austin’s personal issues that prevented that match from happening?
3. The Rock has a history of being able to do high-profile jobs, yet cutting a promo and being right back on top.  Dude put over Lesnar in summer ’02 and had the highest-profile match on Wrestlemania 19; put over Goldberg clean the next month, returned at WM20 without a hitch.  Mick Foley put over everyone under the sun and maintained his credibility.  HHH’s longevity is another story entirely because of wholly unprecedented circumstances.  Is there anyone else you think fits this mold of guys who can maintain their top spot while doing high-profile jobs?  Conversely, are there guys who NEED to be handled with kid gloves in regards to jobs?
4. Do you think we will see Dave Batista in WWE again?

Eh, these are interesting questions, so we’ll do this as a pre-WM mailbag.  1.  Never heard anything on that front.  I suppose you can never say never in wrestling, but Hogan’s hip is pretty destroyed and Vince had plenty of other opportunities to do “dream matches” with Hogan the last time he was under contract and only did a couple.  Plus, 6 years ago both Michaels and Orton had to lay down for Hogan, and there’s no fucking way John Cena is laying down for him, and nor should he.  So that would be right out.  2.  Austin outright refused to do the job to Lesnar.  3.  Undertaker has done a zillion jobs in recent years without losing an ounce of cred.  He’s done so many jobs without losing cred that most people don’t even think of him as someone who does jobs, which is weird.  Dude put over Great Khali, Big Show, Mr. Kennedy, CM Punk and tons of others, some of them clean as a sheet.  The guys who need kid gloves are the ones who aren’t allowed to get over on their own, which is to say everyone else.  Ziggler was looking like a main eventer in January, but he’s done job after job after job since then and now he’s already plummeting back to the midcard again.  And he gets no promo time to get himself over again.  Those are the guys you have to be the most careful with:  The ones JUST on the verge of breaking through. 4.  Yes.  But if not, he’ll make out OK.

Cena Randoms

Hi Scott,
A few random ones for your post-Wrestlemania mailbag…
1. Was there ever a John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan match in the works years back?  More frightening: do you think that is STILL an option, given Hogan-Vince’s penchant for money-based reconciliation?  I could totally see it if Cena wins this Sunday and declares himself the ‘biggest star ever’.
2. Did Steve Austin ‘refuse’ to work with Brock Lesnar in 2002-03 or was it Austin’s personal issues that prevented that match from happening?
3. The Rock has a history of being able to do high-profile jobs, yet cutting a promo and being right back on top.  Dude put over Lesnar in summer ’02 and had the highest-profile match on Wrestlemania 19; put over Goldberg clean the next month, returned at WM20 without a hitch.  Mick Foley put over everyone under the sun and maintained his credibility.  HHH’s longevity is another story entirely because of wholly unprecedented circumstances.  Is there anyone else you think fits this mold of guys who can maintain their top spot while doing high-profile jobs?  Conversely, are there guys who NEED to be handled with kid gloves in regards to jobs?
4. Do you think we will see Dave Batista in WWE again?

Eh, these are interesting questions, so we’ll do this as a pre-WM mailbag.  1.  Never heard anything on that front.  I suppose you can never say never in wrestling, but Hogan’s hip is pretty destroyed and Vince had plenty of other opportunities to do “dream matches” with Hogan the last time he was under contract and only did a couple.  Plus, 6 years ago both Michaels and Orton had to lay down for Hogan, and there’s no fucking way John Cena is laying down for him, and nor should he.  So that would be right out.  2.  Austin outright refused to do the job to Lesnar.  3.  Undertaker has done a zillion jobs in recent years without losing an ounce of cred.  He’s done so many jobs without losing cred that most people don’t even think of him as someone who does jobs, which is weird.  Dude put over Great Khali, Big Show, Mr. Kennedy, CM Punk and tons of others, some of them clean as a sheet.  The guys who need kid gloves are the ones who aren’t allowed to get over on their own, which is to say everyone else.  Ziggler was looking like a main eventer in January, but he’s done job after job after job since then and now he’s already plummeting back to the midcard again.  And he gets no promo time to get himself over again.  Those are the guys you have to be the most careful with:  The ones JUST on the verge of breaking through. 4.  Yes.  But if not, he’ll make out OK.

Cena Randoms

Hi Scott,
A few random ones for your post-Wrestlemania mailbag…
1. Was there ever a John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan match in the works years back?  More frightening: do you think that is STILL an option, given Hogan-Vince’s penchant for money-based reconciliation?  I could totally see it if Cena wins this Sunday and declares himself the ‘biggest star ever’.
2. Did Steve Austin ‘refuse’ to work with Brock Lesnar in 2002-03 or was it Austin’s personal issues that prevented that match from happening?
3. The Rock has a history of being able to do high-profile jobs, yet cutting a promo and being right back on top.  Dude put over Lesnar in summer ’02 and had the highest-profile match on Wrestlemania 19; put over Goldberg clean the next month, returned at WM20 without a hitch.  Mick Foley put over everyone under the sun and maintained his credibility.  HHH’s longevity is another story entirely because of wholly unprecedented circumstances.  Is there anyone else you think fits this mold of guys who can maintain their top spot while doing high-profile jobs?  Conversely, are there guys who NEED to be handled with kid gloves in regards to jobs?
4. Do you think we will see Dave Batista in WWE again?

Eh, these are interesting questions, so we’ll do this as a pre-WM mailbag.  1.  Never heard anything on that front.  I suppose you can never say never in wrestling, but Hogan’s hip is pretty destroyed and Vince had plenty of other opportunities to do “dream matches” with Hogan the last time he was under contract and only did a couple.  Plus, 6 years ago both Michaels and Orton had to lay down for Hogan, and there’s no fucking way John Cena is laying down for him, and nor should he.  So that would be right out.  2.  Austin outright refused to do the job to Lesnar.  3.  Undertaker has done a zillion jobs in recent years without losing an ounce of cred.  He’s done so many jobs without losing cred that most people don’t even think of him as someone who does jobs, which is weird.  Dude put over Great Khali, Big Show, Mr. Kennedy, CM Punk and tons of others, some of them clean as a sheet.  The guys who need kid gloves are the ones who aren’t allowed to get over on their own, which is to say everyone else.  Ziggler was looking like a main eventer in January, but he’s done job after job after job since then and now he’s already plummeting back to the midcard again.  And he gets no promo time to get himself over again.  Those are the guys you have to be the most careful with:  The ones JUST on the verge of breaking through. 4.  Yes.  But if not, he’ll make out OK.

Cena Randoms

Hi Scott,
A few random ones for your post-Wrestlemania mailbag…
1. Was there ever a John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan match in the works years back?  More frightening: do you think that is STILL an option, given Hogan-Vince’s penchant for money-based reconciliation?  I could totally see it if Cena wins this Sunday and declares himself the ‘biggest star ever’.
2. Did Steve Austin ‘refuse’ to work with Brock Lesnar in 2002-03 or was it Austin’s personal issues that prevented that match from happening?
3. The Rock has a history of being able to do high-profile jobs, yet cutting a promo and being right back on top.  Dude put over Lesnar in summer ’02 and had the highest-profile match on Wrestlemania 19; put over Goldberg clean the next month, returned at WM20 without a hitch.  Mick Foley put over everyone under the sun and maintained his credibility.  HHH’s longevity is another story entirely because of wholly unprecedented circumstances.  Is there anyone else you think fits this mold of guys who can maintain their top spot while doing high-profile jobs?  Conversely, are there guys who NEED to be handled with kid gloves in regards to jobs?
4. Do you think we will see Dave Batista in WWE again?

Eh, these are interesting questions, so we’ll do this as a pre-WM mailbag.  1.  Never heard anything on that front.  I suppose you can never say never in wrestling, but Hogan’s hip is pretty destroyed and Vince had plenty of other opportunities to do “dream matches” with Hogan the last time he was under contract and only did a couple.  Plus, 6 years ago both Michaels and Orton had to lay down for Hogan, and there’s no fucking way John Cena is laying down for him, and nor should he.  So that would be right out.  2.  Austin outright refused to do the job to Lesnar.  3.  Undertaker has done a zillion jobs in recent years without losing an ounce of cred.  He’s done so many jobs without losing cred that most people don’t even think of him as someone who does jobs, which is weird.  Dude put over Great Khali, Big Show, Mr. Kennedy, CM Punk and tons of others, some of them clean as a sheet.  The guys who need kid gloves are the ones who aren’t allowed to get over on their own, which is to say everyone else.  Ziggler was looking like a main eventer in January, but he’s done job after job after job since then and now he’s already plummeting back to the midcard again.  And he gets no promo time to get himself over again.  Those are the guys you have to be the most careful with:  The ones JUST on the verge of breaking through. 4.  Yes.  But if not, he’ll make out OK.

Cena Randoms

Hi Scott,
A few random ones for your post-Wrestlemania mailbag…
1. Was there ever a John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan match in the works years back?  More frightening: do you think that is STILL an option, given Hogan-Vince’s penchant for money-based reconciliation?  I could totally see it if Cena wins this Sunday and declares himself the ‘biggest star ever’.
2. Did Steve Austin ‘refuse’ to work with Brock Lesnar in 2002-03 or was it Austin’s personal issues that prevented that match from happening?
3. The Rock has a history of being able to do high-profile jobs, yet cutting a promo and being right back on top.  Dude put over Lesnar in summer ’02 and had the highest-profile match on Wrestlemania 19; put over Goldberg clean the next month, returned at WM20 without a hitch.  Mick Foley put over everyone under the sun and maintained his credibility.  HHH’s longevity is another story entirely because of wholly unprecedented circumstances.  Is there anyone else you think fits this mold of guys who can maintain their top spot while doing high-profile jobs?  Conversely, are there guys who NEED to be handled with kid gloves in regards to jobs?
4. Do you think we will see Dave Batista in WWE again?

Eh, these are interesting questions, so we’ll do this as a pre-WM mailbag.  1.  Never heard anything on that front.  I suppose you can never say never in wrestling, but Hogan’s hip is pretty destroyed and Vince had plenty of other opportunities to do “dream matches” with Hogan the last time he was under contract and only did a couple.  Plus, 6 years ago both Michaels and Orton had to lay down for Hogan, and there’s no fucking way John Cena is laying down for him, and nor should he.  So that would be right out.  2.  Austin outright refused to do the job to Lesnar.  3.  Undertaker has done a zillion jobs in recent years without losing an ounce of cred.  He’s done so many jobs without losing cred that most people don’t even think of him as someone who does jobs, which is weird.  Dude put over Great Khali, Big Show, Mr. Kennedy, CM Punk and tons of others, some of them clean as a sheet.  The guys who need kid gloves are the ones who aren’t allowed to get over on their own, which is to say everyone else.  Ziggler was looking like a main eventer in January, but he’s done job after job after job since then and now he’s already plummeting back to the midcard again.  And he gets no promo time to get himself over again.  Those are the guys you have to be the most careful with:  The ones JUST on the verge of breaking through. 4.  Yes.  But if not, he’ll make out OK.

One Word Randoms

Scott,
Some couple-word-answer randoms for you…unless you’re not into ‘the whole brevity thing’.
1. Most consistent draw (not highest dollar amounts or peak periods, but long-term consistency as ‘top guy’): Austin, Hogan, or Cena?
2. Re-booking HHH’s opponent at Wrestlemania 19: Booker, RVD, or Benoit?
3. One guy, any promotion, any time period who should have had a World run, but did not?
4. One guy, any time period, from Japan who could have made it biggest in a U.S. promotion?
5. Thirteen years later, who should have ‘run over’ Austin?
6. Thirteen years later, who should have been ‘The Higher Power’?
7. Most regrettable World Champion in history, aside from David Arquette?
8. Shawn Michaels’ best run between Phase 1 and 2 of his career?
9. WWE, 2003, beginning of pushes.  Who would you have predicted to be The Guy between Cena, Batista, and Orton?
10. More surprising longevity, as a combination of character/worker: The Undertaker or Kane?
11. Approximate period/year YOU would have begun the WCW ‘Invasion’ angle?
12. Bigger ‘dropping of the ball’?  Bret Hart’s WCW arrival OR ’98 Four Horsemen reunion?

1.  Hogan of course.  2.  Booker was the right guy, it was just the wrong finish. 3.  Ted Dibiase, multiple times. 4.  The Great Muta in 89.  They could have pushed the shit out of him and make millions. 5.  HHH was the logical guy, but Shawn Michaels also would have worked in the role. 6.  The only guy available who was a big enough star to justify the buildup was Ultimate Warrior.  7.  Vince in 99. 8.  The second Jericho feud. 9.  I was always on Team Cena from the very beginning. 10.  Undertaker.  I knew Kane would be pushed until he got over, but Mark Callaway was an unproven commodity with a weird gimmick. 11.  It was fine when it was, they just botched it horribly. 12.  Bret Hart by far.  There was no money to be made with the Horsemen.

One Word Randoms

Scott,
Some couple-word-answer randoms for you…unless you’re not into ‘the whole brevity thing’.
1. Most consistent draw (not highest dollar amounts or peak periods, but long-term consistency as ‘top guy’): Austin, Hogan, or Cena?
2. Re-booking HHH’s opponent at Wrestlemania 19: Booker, RVD, or Benoit?
3. One guy, any promotion, any time period who should have had a World run, but did not?
4. One guy, any time period, from Japan who could have made it biggest in a U.S. promotion?
5. Thirteen years later, who should have ‘run over’ Austin?
6. Thirteen years later, who should have been ‘The Higher Power’?
7. Most regrettable World Champion in history, aside from David Arquette?
8. Shawn Michaels’ best run between Phase 1 and 2 of his career?
9. WWE, 2003, beginning of pushes.  Who would you have predicted to be The Guy between Cena, Batista, and Orton?
10. More surprising longevity, as a combination of character/worker: The Undertaker or Kane?
11. Approximate period/year YOU would have begun the WCW ‘Invasion’ angle?
12. Bigger ‘dropping of the ball’?  Bret Hart’s WCW arrival OR ’98 Four Horsemen reunion?

1.  Hogan of course.  2.  Booker was the right guy, it was just the wrong finish. 3.  Ted Dibiase, multiple times. 4.  The Great Muta in 89.  They could have pushed the shit out of him and make millions. 5.  HHH was the logical guy, but Shawn Michaels also would have worked in the role. 6.  The only guy available who was a big enough star to justify the buildup was Ultimate Warrior.  7.  Vince in 99. 8.  The second Jericho feud. 9.  I was always on Team Cena from the very beginning. 10.  Undertaker.  I knew Kane would be pushed until he got over, but Mark Callaway was an unproven commodity with a weird gimmick. 11.  It was fine when it was, they just botched it horribly. 12.  Bret Hart by far.  There was no money to be made with the Horsemen.

One Word Randoms

Scott,
Some couple-word-answer randoms for you…unless you’re not into ‘the whole brevity thing’.
1. Most consistent draw (not highest dollar amounts or peak periods, but long-term consistency as ‘top guy’): Austin, Hogan, or Cena?
2. Re-booking HHH’s opponent at Wrestlemania 19: Booker, RVD, or Benoit?
3. One guy, any promotion, any time period who should have had a World run, but did not?
4. One guy, any time period, from Japan who could have made it biggest in a U.S. promotion?
5. Thirteen years later, who should have ‘run over’ Austin?
6. Thirteen years later, who should have been ‘The Higher Power’?
7. Most regrettable World Champion in history, aside from David Arquette?
8. Shawn Michaels’ best run between Phase 1 and 2 of his career?
9. WWE, 2003, beginning of pushes.  Who would you have predicted to be The Guy between Cena, Batista, and Orton?
10. More surprising longevity, as a combination of character/worker: The Undertaker or Kane?
11. Approximate period/year YOU would have begun the WCW ‘Invasion’ angle?
12. Bigger ‘dropping of the ball’?  Bret Hart’s WCW arrival OR ’98 Four Horsemen reunion?

1.  Hogan of course.  2.  Booker was the right guy, it was just the wrong finish. 3.  Ted Dibiase, multiple times. 4.  The Great Muta in 89.  They could have pushed the shit out of him and make millions. 5.  HHH was the logical guy, but Shawn Michaels also would have worked in the role. 6.  The only guy available who was a big enough star to justify the buildup was Ultimate Warrior.  7.  Vince in 99. 8.  The second Jericho feud. 9.  I was always on Team Cena from the very beginning. 10.  Undertaker.  I knew Kane would be pushed until he got over, but Mark Callaway was an unproven commodity with a weird gimmick. 11.  It was fine when it was, they just botched it horribly. 12.  Bret Hart by far.  There was no money to be made with the Horsemen.