Quantity and quality

Hi Scott,

Forgive the topic name but had to put something there?!

I got thinking after reading your reply to someone about them watching Raw, Smackdown, Main Event AND NXT…

My wrestling viewing/fandom has been reduced from the above to simply reading Raw results, cherry picking anything that might be worth watching (hint: not much) and watching NXT & Lucha Underground. 

I also catch a couple of British wrestling shows a month (I'm a UK resident)… it amazes me how some people have the time to watch WWE, TNA, ROH as well as their local shows?! Jeez!

What does your wrestling viewing consist of these days? Anything you really enjoy or dislike?
​Well, I have RAW cut down to watching the "Top 10 RAW Moments" highlight package on YouTube, and I occasionally still watch NXT but don't feel the need to rant about it at this point. Mostly I derp around on the Network, and I actually watched both parts of the ECW Exposed special last night, and it was really good!  Paul Heyman was shockingly honest with all the questions and really seemed to have things in perspective.  It was actually a really fun show.  I might go through and start watching some of the 95 Hardcore TVs now, in fact. ​

Quality Control!

OK, so I was following the bitchfest in the news update, and some of you might have a point with regards to stuff.  The forum is terrible as it stands and I was using it because it’s embeddable in Blogger, but it serves no purpose as is, so I’ve created a new one to try out for a couple of weeks.  http://rspwfaq.boards.net Obviously there’s nothing there at the moment and to be brutally honest I don’t have the time or desire to moderate and deal with it, so if any of my crew would like to handle it, let me know and I’ll get you set up.  As for the other point about too much stuff clogging up the main page, yes, I hear you.  Option 1 would be someone handling article scheduling and admin stuff, and if anyone wants that job I’m more than happy to give it to them.  Option 2 is offloading things to the other Blogger page I still own at scottkeith.blogspot.ca, at which point I would create a sub-domain off rspwfaq.com and the B-Team could post there to their heart’s delight.  Either option works for me.  Open to discussion of all this here!

A+ Match of the Late Night (D- Video Quality)

Yep, here’s the 2012 Royal Rumble. Forget the shitty video quality for a second and think about the match. Not sure exactly what the deal was with the talent roster but with Daniel Bryan, John Cena, Big Show, Kane, Mark Henry, CM Punk and Dolph Ziggler all participating in the undercard there was absolutely NO star power for the Rumble (although two of these guys would do double duty).

Rather than worry too much about the lack of stars the bookers seemed to embrace it and went over the top with the comedy booking and while I’ll never place it in the pantheon of Rumbles, I really enjoyed the silliness of it and the fact that it was a little unpredictable until the few big names got in and you knew it was going to be one of them. They doubled up on the legends booking as well.

In hindsight the problem with this match is the problem with the promotion in general. It was a perfect time to try to get some momentum for a few of the mid-carders and in that sense it was a failed opportunity. Miz went 45 minutes and failed to impress. Cody went 41 minutes and actually did a decent job. That was it for the long bookings. Why didn’t Santino (Entrant 9) last more than two minutes? Fans would have eaten up him surviving 30+ minutes and making it to crunch time (see: 2012 Elimination Chamber). Why didn’t Wade Barrett (entrant 26) last more than three minutes? Give him a number in the top 15 and have him go 25 minutes and try to gain some steam. And don’t tell me people wouldn’t have enjoyed a longer run from Ricardo. Eh whatever…it’s their money.

The up side is that it was a free flowing match, guys came in, got their stuff in and got out. It worked for what it was, I remember laughing for much of this and Kofi’s escape from elimination was incredible. Scott loved the match and gave it five stars on first glance and ****1/2 on rewatch. I couldn’t give it more than ***1/2 FWIW. The link to his review is here. Take it away Justin Roberts!

Question for the BOD Re: PPV quality trends

Hi Scott,


In your opinion, what are the weakest months quality-wise for a WWE PPV since the mid-90s and IYH brought about at least one event per calendar month? Being that it's go-home week for Extreme Rules, I've always met the first PPV after Wrestlemania with a mixture of optimism and anticipation. Usually, we're treated to a quality show, from the classic Foley appearances at Revenge of the Taker and Backlash w/ Orton to last year's Cena/Brock.
Off hand, it seems like the weakest months are May and December. What do you think?
Thanks!

I'm sure one of our numerically inclined readers can break it down into a chart for us, but off the top of my head I would tend to think of September and December as the weakest, with December being by far the worst.  TLC is usually such a throwaway show that I can barely even remember most of them, and September has given us such dogs as the submission-only PPV and HHH going over CM Punk.  

Where did the internet-voting shows and Bragging Rights fall?  October?  Because those are pretty bad too.  In fact, the whole run from Summerslam – Rumble is generally pretty blah.

Match Quality

Hey Scott,

Clarify something for me here:

Say it’s before a big PPV, Wrestlemania for example. Why haven’t Vince/the agents/whoever just told the entire roster to “put on absolute classics/bring your A+ game? For example, what’s the downside of having CM Punk and Rey Mysterio cut loose and deliver a ****+ match at this past year’s WM? Or do you think Vince and Co. actually does go out and say that every so often, it’s just the talent that fails to deliver?

Do you know of any instances where Vince was gunning for purely match quality, and everybody delivered? Or tried to deliver? It just seems weird… why wouldn’t somebody like Punk/Cena/Rey/Christian/etc put on nothing but four-star and above PPV matches if they’re capable of doing it? That’s like asking your big homerun slugger to only swing for the fences once every few months.

The only times I know of where Vince did that was the Bret Hart-Randy Savage match on SNME years back, and the Michaels v. Perfect match at Summerslam where they went on TV and basically promised a **** match.  Otherwise it’s generally the talent who put that kind of pressure on themselves, like with Eddie v. Rey at WM21.  Of course it also backfires, like with the same match, so it’s pretty much impossible to just say “Have a classic match” and expect people to deliver.  Guys are pros and certainly know what works in theory, but there’s so many variables that it’s impossible to predict what will work and what will suck.

As for the downside, for sure there’s a downside.  Agents try to program the PPVs so that you don’t get 3 or 4 similar-style  matches in a row and burn out the crowd, because you’re trying to focus on your biggest stars and matches.  John Morrison going out and trying for a **** 20 minute classic in the second match might serve his own ego, but to me it’s like the opening act for U2 playing for 2 hours when no one paid money to see that.

Match Quality

Hey Scott,

Clarify something for me here:

Say it’s before a big PPV, Wrestlemania for example. Why haven’t Vince/the agents/whoever just told the entire roster to “put on absolute classics/bring your A+ game? For example, what’s the downside of having CM Punk and Rey Mysterio cut loose and deliver a ****+ match at this past year’s WM? Or do you think Vince and Co. actually does go out and say that every so often, it’s just the talent that fails to deliver?

Do you know of any instances where Vince was gunning for purely match quality, and everybody delivered? Or tried to deliver? It just seems weird… why wouldn’t somebody like Punk/Cena/Rey/Christian/etc put on nothing but four-star and above PPV matches if they’re capable of doing it? That’s like asking your big homerun slugger to only swing for the fences once every few months.

The only times I know of where Vince did that was the Bret Hart-Randy Savage match on SNME years back, and the Michaels v. Perfect match at Summerslam where they went on TV and basically promised a **** match.  Otherwise it’s generally the talent who put that kind of pressure on themselves, like with Eddie v. Rey at WM21.  Of course it also backfires, like with the same match, so it’s pretty much impossible to just say “Have a classic match” and expect people to deliver.  Guys are pros and certainly know what works in theory, but there’s so many variables that it’s impossible to predict what will work and what will suck.

As for the downside, for sure there’s a downside.  Agents try to program the PPVs so that you don’t get 3 or 4 similar-style  matches in a row and burn out the crowd, because you’re trying to focus on your biggest stars and matches.  John Morrison going out and trying for a **** 20 minute classic in the second match might serve his own ego, but to me it’s like the opening act for U2 playing for 2 hours when no one paid money to see that.

Match Quality

Hey Scott,

Clarify something for me here:

Say it’s before a big PPV, Wrestlemania for example. Why haven’t Vince/the agents/whoever just told the entire roster to “put on absolute classics/bring your A+ game? For example, what’s the downside of having CM Punk and Rey Mysterio cut loose and deliver a ****+ match at this past year’s WM? Or do you think Vince and Co. actually does go out and say that every so often, it’s just the talent that fails to deliver?

Do you know of any instances where Vince was gunning for purely match quality, and everybody delivered? Or tried to deliver? It just seems weird… why wouldn’t somebody like Punk/Cena/Rey/Christian/etc put on nothing but four-star and above PPV matches if they’re capable of doing it? That’s like asking your big homerun slugger to only swing for the fences once every few months.

The only times I know of where Vince did that was the Bret Hart-Randy Savage match on SNME years back, and the Michaels v. Perfect match at Summerslam where they went on TV and basically promised a **** match.  Otherwise it’s generally the talent who put that kind of pressure on themselves, like with Eddie v. Rey at WM21.  Of course it also backfires, like with the same match, so it’s pretty much impossible to just say “Have a classic match” and expect people to deliver.  Guys are pros and certainly know what works in theory, but there’s so many variables that it’s impossible to predict what will work and what will suck.

As for the downside, for sure there’s a downside.  Agents try to program the PPVs so that you don’t get 3 or 4 similar-style  matches in a row and burn out the crowd, because you’re trying to focus on your biggest stars and matches.  John Morrison going out and trying for a **** 20 minute classic in the second match might serve his own ego, but to me it’s like the opening act for U2 playing for 2 hours when no one paid money to see that.