Steve Austin, WWE Estrangement, WM 2016 and the CM Punk factor

Anyone think that the way that the WWE drove CM Punk out of the company might be one of the main factors for why Austin is not too thrilled with potentially coming back to the company in an expanded role? Let alone at WM 2016?

Given the constant on/off rumors that the WWE wanted to run Punk/Austin as a WM type match, do you think that the WWE driving Punk away, effectively killing any hope of such a match, might be why Austin doesn't want to commit to next year's Wrestlemania?
Even with Cena effectively doing his usual "tacit heel" posturing during the match to compensate for a crowd that is sick of him, there is no real appeal for seeing Cena vs Austin, on a creative level. Punk at least could make for a decent match plus the fact that the build-up could be a thousand times more interesting for someone like Austin, in terms of promo work (you'd never get a storyline as ready made like with Punk with Cena with Austin involved).

​I don't think the two things are particularly connected specifically, but there does seem to be more of a "take this offer and shove it" attitude from longtime guys the more we go along here lately.  I'm pretty sure if Austin had any interest in returning, the Cena match would be enough to get him, even if the Punk match was his #1 choice.  I just don't see 50 year old Austin suddenly deciding to return after more than a decade gone and with millions in the bank.  ​

CM Punk Chants

This came up in the comment section:

1) What are your thoughts on them in general?

2) Do you feel having them during AJ Lee's return is a setback for #GiveDivasAChance?

1. Given that he now has a contract with UFC, it seems like a futile gesture on the crowds' part.  

2.  If giving Divas a chance means more Bellas, I hope no one does.  

CM Punk in the UFC: Sure, Why Not? (a plea for a plug)


This is my request for a plug for an article I wrote on CM Punk and UFC. I assert that this probably isn't the worst thing for all parties involved, and that MMA purists should not get their collective panties in a bunch. I also believe that Punk may have a better chance of winning a fight or two then we are giving him credit for.

CM Punk in the UFC: Sure, Why Not?

If you plug this, thanks! 

​I think it's great that Punk is living out his dream, but he's not winning any fights. I'd be surprised if he makes it through a full training camp, in fact.  But he's got the money to do it, so why not?
More importantly, Jones-Cormier tonight.  OH YEAH.  ​

Punk main eventing WM… Taker/Rock?

i was reading one your fan-mail q and a's, and you were talking about how Dwayne/Cena 2 was the only logical situation for Wrestlemania 29. However, what if Punk had kept the title 'till Wrestlemania, and defended against two people who weren't Dwayne (or in the case of EC, just won the Chamber match), and went on to defend his title against Cena? Then you could get a definite finale to their matches, and it would be two modern guys rather than one modern guy, and one guy from the 90s who likes to pop up every now and then to have shitty matches.

As for the buyrate, if you must have Dwayne in there why not have him feud with Taker, and put that up as either a co-main event or THE main event? I can't imagine people not wanting to see it, and I'm sure both matches would be pretty well received. Also, there would've been a lot more suspense toward if the streak was actually going to end.

I think these booking decisions would've made WM 29 a lot more tolerable than it ended up being (I was completely bored with the show, minus Punk/Taker). You would end up getting the finale between two guys who've had the most relevant main event feud in recent history, and you would have the buyrate cross promotional bullshit with Dwayne/Taker. IDK, what do you think?

– With hugs, Sebastian

​I just don't see the "Punk headlining Wrestlemania" argument, sorry.  Especially not against Cena, who he'd already had a zillion matches against and didn't draw with.  I love Punk, but there was no dynamic for him where he would fit in as a main event for the show at that point, especially after treating his World title run like a second class citizen for 400 and whatever days.  ​

Story of TNA Making An Offer to CM Punk Disputed?

Mike Johnson from has this to say about the story of TNA making an offer to CM Punk from this week’s Wrestling Observer Newsletter

“For whatever reason, there have been several stories making the rounds about CM
Punk over the last several days. Since we have received so many emails about
them, I’ve asked around, and here is what we’ve found out.

Is CM Punk signing with TNA?
One story that began making the rounds yesterday, attributed to Dave Meltzer
of The Wrestling Observer (although I want to make it clear that I have
no idea whether Meltzer ever actually reported this) is that TNA made a big
money offer to Punk to come into the company and were turned down.
I reached out to several high level TNA sources last night and this morning,
I heard back from each as they were preparing to head to Japan. Each of them
said there was no truth to the story and one commented, “No offer was made,
officially or via an intermediary – no truth to that rumor.”
In asking a few friends that are close with Punk yesterday as well, all of
them scoffed at the idea Punk would ever want to return to wrestling, much less
for TNA.

Punk at OVW?
We’ve also been asked about stories that Punk was backstage over the weekend
for Ohio Valley Wrestling and that the locker room had been ordered not to speak
to him while he was in the locker room. While Punk was indeed at the show (he
arrived with Cliff Compton, a close friend), he was never in the locker room.
According to several OVW regulars who worked the show on Saturday, Punk arrived
early in the day and went right to OVW owner Danny Davis’ office. He was never
in the locker room. The wrestlers were somewhat aware he was there but there
were no explicit instructions made by anyone to leave Punk alone.

So, again, we are told there was nothing to this.”

Personally, seeing how TNA seemingly makes offers to anyone let go from the WWE and has recently lied about Vince Russo working for them, I can see TNA lying about this as well. And saying you doubt someone’s reporting without having read the full story it is petty, IMO.

So, what do you guys think?

WWE to Fire AJ Lee Due To Constant CM Punk Chants?

Found this on the front page of Yahoo. I have no idea how credible this report is but a source has reportedly told the Epoch Times that the WWE is considering letting AJ go, hinting that she is to blame for all of the Punk chants and that she is basically not good enough through her ability and that she is easily replaceable. Anyway, I provided the link to the article below.

What do you guys think?

August Classics: CM Punk vs. Brock Lesnar – SummerSlam 2013

OK, so it happened a year ago, therefore it’s not a “classic” by the common definition. However, this is a ***** match that will easily be considered one of the best SummerSlam matches ever. The Best vs. The Beast. Due to health and behind the scenes drama, this may possibly be Punk’s last great match.

CM Punk vs. Brock Lesnar – SummerSlam 2013 by AndresGuilherme

QOTD #34: CM Punk

Today’s Question:
CM Punk stated he won’t be
back. What’s your favorite CM Punk moment? (And in the interest of varied discussion,
let’s exclude the Pipe Bomb and MITB match)
We’ll be hearing from ROH and WWE fans alike, I’m sure. Kick
it off now by heading to the bottom, or stick around to discuss yesterday’s

I’m 32-years old. I’m likely not halfway through my life;
but that hasn’t stopped me from feeling like an old fogey on a lot of days. And
it seems I’m not alone…
Darren X: Playing any kind of sports. I’m really big
into running every Summer – to get back into shape – and it just gets so much
harder to get past the aches and pains. Kinda makes you wonder how guys like
Ric Flair and Jerry Lawler can do this in their 50s.
I need a day to recover every year after my wife and I head
to the New York State Fair. We cover the grounds several times over a 12 hour
period, and last year I was wearing a pedometer that figured I walked over 25
kilometers for the entire day. My knees simply can’t take a pounding like that
WCW1987: WWE just had WrestleMania 30.
Not to mention, the host was a confused out of touch Hulk
Hogan, who had to be led through his spots by retired (!) legends Steve Austin
and The Rock. Steve Austin hasn’t wrestled in 11 years. What … the … hell?
Brian MacLeod: There are TONS of examples of things that
make me feel old. One of the most recent was this year’s Wimbledon finals. On
the men’s side, Federer and Djokovic are coached by Stefan Edberg and Boris
Becker, who I vividly remember battling for the Wimbledon title three straight
years from ’88-’90. Their rivalry was one of the biggest factors in solidifying
my love of tennis, and to see their careers (and, to a certain extent, their
lives) come full circle like that made me feel terribly old. On the women’s
side, it was the first time a grand slam final featured two participants born
in the NINETIES!!! That’s just messed up… Oh, and my apologies to any tennis
purists on the blog for not using the terms “gentlemen’s” and
“ladies'” when referring to the Wimbledon finals…
I grew up on Atlanta Braves baseball. My parents were
die-hard Expos fans, and there was no way I could possibly root for the same
team as them, and TBS had all the Braves games all the time. While I can
remember the horrific teams of the late 80’s, I of course lived and died by the
dynasty of Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz. Most importantly though, Chipper Jones
was the first ballplayer I ever latched on to as “my favorite”, and I followed
him from the start of his career to the end. So not only am I old enough to
remember watching one players’ whole career, but half the league is managed by
dudes I grew up on. Kirk Gibson, Walt Weiss, Matt Williams, Mike Matheny, Robin
Ventura … hell, I remember the outrage when Bud Black signed his ridiculous
4-year, $10 million dollar deal in 1991 with the Giants. And all these guys are
managers? For god sakes, Mark Prior is working in the front office of the
Padres! And he didn’t even start pitching in the majors until I started working
with my current employer. Jesus!
Extant1979: You know what makes me feel old? The fucking
staff of 20-something minions who work for me. They don’t get any references to
classic movies, music or TV shows. One of the girls (who recently left) didn’t
know who Pearl Jam and Beck are. Having to explain references to The Princess
Bride or the Breakfast Club or any number of other things that I grew up with
kills me and makes me wish I worked with proper minions.
I needed to hire a number of new employees last winter, and
as part of the background check I had to gather some information. I constantly
received 1993 and 1994 as birth-years – making me wonder “I’m HIRING people who
were born AFTER Saved By The Bell went off the air?” To your point Extant, I
deal with your issue constantly. When Breaking Bad finished, I was trying to
talk one of my younger employees into watching it. It was hard enough when he
told me that his favorite show as a young kid was “Malcolm In The Middle” and
he wasn’t sure he could take Bryan Cranston seriously, but when I tried to
overcome that by using the Al Bundy parallel to Modern Family, he asked me “who’s
Al Bundy?” He had never even heard of Married With Children.
DrFacts: The kids that are now considered teenagers
were born when WCW went out of business. I really need to get my AARP card now
after thinking about that.
WCW went out of business about a month before I graduated
from college. There are teenagers roaming the planet that were born AFTER I
last saw the inside of a classroom. You aren’t helping me, DrFacts!
Chris Hirsch: My 17 year old brothers make me feel old and
all the crap you have to do to play video games now. Back in my day you put a
cartridge in and were good to go. Now to play GTA V I had to buy a damn flash
drive. Get off my lawn!
YES! I own a Playstation 3. Do you want to know what I do
with it? Netflix, WWE Network, and I have a couple of 3TB external hard drives
plugged into it. One is filled with wrestling, the other is filled with TV
shows and movies. I own GTA IV which came with it … and I am able to get
through all the missions until they want me to start both driving AND shooting
at the same time. I am one man, how in the hell is that possible?!? I bought
Madden last year, and after playing the computer awhile decided to try online.
I was constantly throwing Pick 6’s, or watching my opponent’s running backs run
right through my defensive lines with nothing I could do about it. HOW IS THIS
For my birthday last year, my wife bought me a handheld SNES
player from one of those geek sites which is WONDERFUL. I can plug in
Earthbound, or Mario Kart, or any of the dozens of cartridges I still have from
the early 90’s (which I will NEVER sell), and happily do that if I need a
gaming break. They never ask me to do two things at the same time. They
understand me, and love me just how I am.
Lenny Vowels: 90’s bands on classic rock stations, easily.
My wife’s favorite pop station was taking classic requests
the other day. I thought I’d heard it all when someone requested “I Want You”
from Savage Garden, but they were IMMEDIATELY topped when some kid called in
and asked for We Like To Party by the Vengaboys, because “I used to listen to
that with my mom when I was a baby”.
C BREEZY: My little bro’s college/uni buddies had
never heard of ‘Friends’… these are 18-21 year old kids. First time I could
say I felt old and kinda depressed about it.
I grew up in an era where everyone knew the TV Guide was
delivered to Ms. Chanandler Bong, so I’m having a hard time processing this.
Miko363: Hangovers have become multi-day events. I
drank too much on Saturday night and was useless until right before Raw on Monday.
I used to get off work Friday nights, and immediately make
my way to the local dive/karaoke bar with my friends. Every single Friday and
Saturday night was spent there, drinking our faces off until it closed, and
then hanging out at Tim Hortons til the sunlight chased us all home lest we
turn into vampire dust. There were even odd times I’d go out with a friend on a
random Tuesday or Wednesday, and despite work the following day, hit it hard
and be at my desk on time the following morning. Now? I’ve been drunk exactly
once since 2005, my body cannot handle it anymore.
Robert Williams: My girlfriend’s 10 year old son has no
knowledge of Ric Flair as anything other than some drunken, rambling old man
who shows up from time to time. And Hulk Hogan is just a tanned guy who wears a
lot of red and yellow.
I have no doubt this is how my parents felt about the fact I
knew William Shatner as the “Rescue 911” guy.
MichaelXavier: That a huge number of professional athletes
(including wrestlers) are younger than me and some of them close to my age are
considered “veterans.”
I’m assuming you’re a young’un, cuz it’s only gonna get
worse from here. I feel like Miguel Cabrera was the first Major Leaguer that
crossed that line with me, but for a number of years after that a lot of the
rookies were still older than me so it was ok. Now we’ve got potential MVPs
(Mike Trout) that are nearly a decade younger than me. And in 10 years, I’ll
likely be older than anyone playing professional sports. Let’s move to the next
question before I fling myself out a plate glass window.
Mike Mears: Seeing the kids of athletes I grew up
watching becoming star college and pro athletes makes me feel old as shit.
When Jaden Fielder is drafted by the Detroit Tigers, giving
me 3 generations of Fielders, I’m going to feel like I’ve got one foot in the
grave … even though this is likely to happen before I’m 45.
Starscreamlive: New arcades now are all crap. For the most
part they are all win a prize carnival type games. I miss when arcades actually
had Mrs. Pac-Man, Galaga, Pole Position, Donkey Kong, and Burgertime. Hell, i’d
mark out to even see an arcade with Street Fighter, House of the Dead, and
Cruisin’ USA nowadays. Pinball games too!
Ninja Turtles: The Arcade Game was pretty much the greatest
thing ever invented. My parents had to take out a second mortgage just to feed
my addiction to that. Of course, $0.25 a life is a bargain these days. You have
to pay $3 just to be given 5 extra moves to potentially beat your Candy Crush
level. The horror!
THE YETAAAAY: The Attitude Era. At this point, bitching
about the Attitude Era coming back is like the old guy on the corner
reminiscing about how good music used to be.
I don’t want to accept what you’re telling me, but then I
looked up Rob Van Dam’s last match and his finisher was the 5 Star Cat Nap, so
you might be on to something.
Adam “Colorado”
The constant health problems,
my body is breaking down by the day, the blood clot really drove it home. My
fault for not taking any kind of care of myself though.
My doctor has started throwing around the word “hypertension”,
which wasn’t even in my vocabulary 10 years ago. Other words not in my vocabulary?
“Not tonight babe, dinner isn’t sitting well.”
Bobby: Tupac and Biggie have been dead for almost
20 years.
Wait, Tupac’s dead?
flamingtoilet: When people I graduated high school with
started becoming grandparents. I graduated in 1992, for Pete’s sake!
At 32, I’m not there just yet. Probably not far off though.
My Resource Associate at work isn’t even 40, and he’s a grandfather … to a 3
year old.
Vince Jordan: I went to a family softball tournament in
2001, where my out of town cousin had a sweet little 5 year old daughter. For
some reason I still thought she was a kid, but I just noticed her on Facebook
last week, and she’s a graduated triathlete or something like that. WHEN THE
HELL DID THAT HAPPEN? Was a total “Holy *** I’m old!!” moment.
My cousin from out of town just moved to Ottawa to go to
college, and stays with my wife and I for a day or two whenever she’s moving in
or out of her dorm. When I graduated college, she was 6 years old.
The participation was just ridiculous in this thread, with
over 400 on-topic comments, and I had a lot of fun reading it – so thank you.
Looks like I’m not the only one getting constant “WHAT’S UP GRANDPA” vibes from
the world, as I move into my dirty 30’s.
Have a great day all. I’m off work, and like all the young
party animals, I’m going to celebrate by cleaning up the basement. I’ll talk to
you again tomorrow.