Paul Heyman: The Greatest Manager of All Time

The previous Masked Man article was completely no-sold by the Blog of Doom, most likely because there weren’t any Scott Keith references contained within.  But it is worth a read, as it explains in meticulous detail why Paul Heyman is the biggest pro wrestling star in the industry today.

Now I will go a step further and explain when Paul Heyman is, unequivocally, the greatest wrestling manager of all time.

There are generally two men that, based on the breadth of their careers, the large variety of stars they have associated with, and the extent to which they enhanced those stars, are considered in the conversation for being the greatest wrestling manager of all time: Bobby Heenan and Paul Heyman.  There is a third that belongs in the conversation that most people reading this post are too young to remember: The Grand Wizard.

All of these managerial geniuses reached their peaks in different eras, so it is difficult to compare and contrast the impact that they had in the traditional manager role.  Since they were the best of their eras, and since we have no real way to match them up against each other in a competitive manner, I like to simplify matters and say that they are all on equal footing.

However, in recent years, there are two factors that set Paul Heyman apart from his peers:

1.Both The Grand Wizard and Bobby Heenan were at their peak in eras where managers were the norm.  It was an established pro wrestling position to enhance talent, and while these men were the best at what they did, they weren’t really breaking new ground with what they did.

But by 2012, the wrestling manager was an anachronism, tucked away with the wishbone offense, long relievers, and underhand free throws as a relic from a bygone era, killed by the move from bookers to Creative that eliminated the need for a manager to speak for a wrestler because the wrestler’s every word was meticulously scripted and memorized.  This in turn made the product so bland that WWE was forced to spend millions of dollars on movie stars and UFC fighters to keep people’s interest.

But the movie star couldn’t stay, and the UFC fighter couldn’t talk.  He wouldn’t talk.  To save Brock Lesnar’s mystique, to save the last special attraction that WWE had left, everyone dragged Paul Heyman back, kicking and screaming, after being away for the better part of a decade, to bring back the lost art of being a pro wrestling manager.

The Grand Wizard and Bobby Heenan perfected the art of managing.  Paul Heyman rebuilt it from scratch and took it to a still higher level than either of them.  Because…

2. The Grand Wizard and Bobby Heenan were great at supporting the wrestlers.  Paul Heyman has become great at supporting the entire wrestling promotion.

Paul Heyman single-handedly returned Brock Lesnar to beast status.  Paul Heyman single-handedly cemented CM Punk’s heel turn, single-handed cemented CM Punk’s face turn, and single-handedly squelched the protest movement once CM Punk left.  Paul Heyman single-handedly squeezed value out of the ending of The Undertaker’s Wrestlemania streak.  And finally, Paul Heyman single-handedly closed the flagship show with a ten minute monologue introducing the Summerslam main event.  The final RAW spotlight was on a fat Jew running his mouth off…and it was the best thing on TV in months.

In the foreword to Bobby Heenan’s first autobiography, Hulk Hogan said of Heenan “In the wrestling circles, he made sure that, in between the geeks, the freaks, the midgets, and the ladies, his spot didn’t overshadow anyone.  He could have – he was so talented.  He could have stolen your spotlight at any moment.”

But Bobby Heenan never had to give a 10 minute promo in front of a live audience to hard sell Wrestlemania.  Paul Heyman took the main event spot on RAW and used it not to get himself over, but to make John Cena and Brock Lesnar look the most compelling they’ve been in years.  More people cheer Cena than ever.  More people fear Lesnar than ever.  The desperate quagmire of only a couple of months prior has been replaced with mega-anticipation for August 17th.

All because of Paul Heyman.

No promotion has ever relied on a manager to the extent that WWE now relies on Paul Heyman.  And no manager has ever delivered to the extent that Paul Heyman does now.

For taking a dead art and elevating it to levels that have never been seen, and never will be seen again, Paul Heyman is the greatest wrestling manager that has ever lived.

Highspots Presents: Brian Kendrick and Paul London’s Excellent Adventures, Disc Two

This is the second and final disc of the shoot. It runs for one hour and forty-seven minutes.

If you have not read the recap for Disc One yet, click on the link below.

They are asked memories of their four-way ladder match at the Armageddon PPV against MNM, Hardy Boyz, and Regal & Taylor. Kendrick said he was supposed to perform the Sliced Bread off the ladder but was petrified and did not perform the move. London said that they were not informed that it was going to be a four-way match until a few days before the PPV. They both said they had no idea Mercury got his face sliced open as during the match, they were busy and just noticed that someone was missing. London talks about how most ladder matches are structured as a spotty match but when it involves grabbing a title, it becomes a lot more realistic instead of performing crazy spots to get a pop from the crowd.

When asked why there wasn’t a rematch when it was announced, Kendrick said that it is all on a whim and everything changes daily as London said he heard that Vince saw him all over the show and nixed that. London said that they would try to talk to the writers and ask where the angles are going and they would blow them off. Once, they asked Dave Lagana about where they were going, referencing them as the champions, as Lagana told them he was going to Taco Bell. London calls Lagana a “faggot” then hints that he got fired for sexually harassing Mordecai, which seemed to be in a joking manner but who knows for sure.

Kendrick is asked about making it to the top of the WWE. He said he is a stubborn person and you have to put up with a lot of bullshit to get to the top but if you stick around long enough, you can make it provided that you have talent. London jokes that in the WWE, the jizz rises to the top and if you can nut on the bosses face, you can cement yourself on the “bearskin rug” roster.

They are asked about working with MNM. Kendrick recalls while in developmental in Memphis he did a spot with Bobby Eaton when he gave him a hurricarana off of the apron to the floor and someone apparently told the office about the spot and Eaton got fired and guys were blaming Kendrick for getting him fired, especially Mercury. Anyway, Kendrick talks about how Mercury is good as schmoozing to people that will get him ahead and tells a story of an office working telling them that they overheard Mercury telling Deuce & Domino not to bump for them. Kendrick then approached Mercury at a bar and asked him about what he heard and Mercury said that he didnt remember because he was on a lot of pills at the time and told Kendrick that he will just say that he did say it, which had Kendrick question as to why you would admit to something that you do not remember doing. Kendrick said he likes Nitro but he has no spine. London talks about how Mercury was nice to him in RoH but different when he got to the WWE as they were the hot team then he was banging Mickie James so he thought that he was the man then London bringing up her pictures and how everyone has seen them which leads to Kendrick interrupting to tell a story of how Batista put up those pictures all over the locker room once and how it was the funniest thing. Anyway, they talk about Mercury blaming drugs for his behavior rather than taking responsibility for his actions.

Now, Kendrick talks about the Hardy Boyz. He likes them both and says that he originally had a bad feeling about Matt but after he was invited to his house, he said he was nothing but gratious and has drank and partied with them many times.

London talks about his history with the Hardy Boyz. Growing up, he really loved what they did in the ring and gives them credit for creating a following. Getting into the WWE, he had a series of dark matches and his last one was with Matt, who gave him a lot of offense, even hitting him with his finisher twice. He talks about how while sitting at a casino, he got “mauled” by Ashley Massaro and ended up getting into a relationship. He barely even knew about her relationship with Matt but knew they were over. At that point, London said his confidence was shot at the time due to his standing in the company and Ashley won the Diva’s contest and he was starting to get a little bit of attention. As it went along, London realized that there was a lot of feelings between Ashley and Matt and London said it led to a stupid love triangle. He goes on about how he believes that if people are no longer in a relationship, then they should be able to date whoever they want and then talks about how he wasnt going to be like Johnny Nitro and let Batsita bang his girlfriend without saying something to him. London said Ashley would tell him all of these horrible things he did to her and London said he didnt want to judge Matt based off of that and thinks that Ashley might have possibly lied to him about her standing with Matt and he said that she was leading him around. London said that he went to both of them and said he wanted them out of his life. From that, London said he was thinking of all he heard about Matt and couldnt believe that no one could see right through him.

He then talks about Jeff Hardy and how they had an awesome ladder match in Mexico City. Thy day before, he got a black eye after Holly hit him during a match but London said he loves Bob and didnt care and Bob liked him because he didnt bitch about it leading London to say “this isn’t ballet.” The match came about after Kendrick hurt his foot. Anyway, Kendrick interrupts and said how awesome the match was with tons of nearfalls and crazy stuff and when they got backstage, Dean Malenko told them that it could have been more sudden, leading Kendrick to ask him what was wrong with the match and it leads to Kendrick talks about how nothing was wrong with the match and some people just want to critique others to justify their job. They both talk about how he just has “it” and is insanely over. London closes by stating the Hardy Boyz are a legendary tag team.

In regards to Haas & Benjamin, they both liked them and would like to see them in TNA, where Kendrick was at the time of this shoot. London liked them but said that they took their collegiate accolades a little too seriously at times but had fun working with both of them. They both talk about how Haas is very intesne and how he could rip your arm off during an arm drag.

They now talk about Cade & Murdoch. Kendrick describes a “slapping” incident with Murdoch during a match. They said that Murdoch did a lot of “fat guy” chops, which is when you slap guys on the back and chest but not delivered in the traditional manner. Anyway, Murdoch did that to Kendrick without warning and he was livid and told him he was going to slap in in the face after the match and he did it on TV again then Kendrick started to slap them in the face. He likes them both though and had them over his house. London said that they lobbied to work with them and Kendrick said that Murdoch told them thanks for keeping the belts warm while in South Africa. They close by stating they were both safe in the ring and fun to work with.

Now, they discuss the time they got pedigreed by HHH on RAW. They ran in to save HHH from Cade & Murdoch and when they cleared the ring, HHH went to shake their hands but instead kicked them and they both got the pedigree. Before that happened, HHH approached then backstage and said it is from the office and not himself, stating it was from Kevin Dunn. Anyway, they both asked if they were going to get any sort of chance for revenge and they got blown off, with both guys saying they ended up looking like pussies. London then takes the opportunity to make HHH jokes about him sucking the cocks of the McMahons.

When discussing the Undertaker, London said you saw the good Undertaker and then he would do stuff that you would shake your head at, like being dragged out of your room at 3am in Australia to look at the veterans hold “Wrestlers Court” to watch Undertaker to act like Judge Judy. Kendrick said that they worked with MNM all tour and did great then had to go down and watch their valet, Melina, get put on trial for not shaking hands in the women’s locker room. They were all forced to bet as to how long it takes her to cry and London ended up winning. Kendrick said that guys would act differently around Taker and those who you thought were your friends would tell him gossip and rat out guys in an attempt to get ahead. Thy both said that Taker seemed to relish that position.

London talks more about Taker, stating he is not a fan of those who wear their own merchandise and drive around town with “Dead Man” on their license plate.

They both love Randy Orton, with London saying that he could be a crossover star into entertainment. He calls him a flawless performer and that the agents love him too. They also had a lot of good times with him too. They then tell a story of how they were in South Africa, they nearly pissed on the band Air Supply from the balcony. London said that despite the fact the office hated him, he always got great accomodations when they traveled to foreign countries and on this occasion, got an awesome suite. He thinks it was due to his name being a bit similar to Paul Levesque. Anyway, they were in the suite with Cade, Murdoch, Orton, and Robbie McAllister, who they both thought was “cool as shit.” They look out the window and saw John Cena with a lot of other top guys sitting at the pool area. He said they were both “mentally elevated” at the time and Kendrick thought it would be funny to piss on Cena, because he might think it was funny and he said he bought his rap album at the time and thought it was awful. They both love Cena by the way. When Kendrick went to piss, the wind carried it over and they were told it hit the band but Kendrick ended up pissing all over hotel management.

Both guys also love Batista, saying he is super-jacked and cool. Kendrick says his motorcycle was great as London talks about how he would throw parties when they wrestled in Washington D.C. and pick up everyone’s tab as Kendrick said he always did that. Kendrick said that Cena and Orton picked up tabs too and realized that they made a lot more money than the undercard and appreciated them. London mentions how Benoit would pick up tabs for them as both guys said they liked him.

London tells another Benoit story. He was with Benoit and Jamie Noble in Buffalo and Chris was hungry so they pulled over at a Hooters. It was 11:30pm and they were getting ready to close and as they were shutting the door, Benoit stuck his foot in and asked if they were open. Anyway, they sat down and a table near them were being loud and disrespectful to the waitress so Benoit told London that he should go over and say something to them. He went over and told him to keep it down and how they were irritating his friend. The guys told London to bring his friend over to them but after a minute they stopped. They leave and approach them to say they were sorry and they recognize Benoit and when one of the guys went to put his hand on his shoulder, Benoit told him to get his fucking hand off of him. After the waitress thanked London and took their order, Benoit told him that the “seeds were planted” and that he could now go fuck her.

London tells another story of how Benoit told him that he and Kendrick were the future of the business and London said that no matter how shitty they were treated by the office, it was worth it to have respect from guys like Benoit, who they admired.

Neither guy was surprised that Benoit snapped and murdered himself and his family. Kendrick said the day they were told, they had an idea something happened and when the news was broke, Matt Stryker apparently cried and wailed loudly. London said that a few weeks before the murders, Benoit called London, who was in a funk at the time when he came back from injury and was having bad marches. He said that he wanted to check on him. Kendrick said that Benoit loved the bible and how all of the crazies love the bible.

London is asked about memories of teaming with Billy Kidman. He said that he was a fan of his when he wrestled in WCW. He felt that Kidman wasnt really into the team and would bury him when they were in the locker room but not when they were alone. London said that he got fed up when Kidman when they feuded with the Dudley Boyz and he never stood up for him. He said that Bubba had an issue with him and was trying to test him and would whip him with a belt buckle without telling him before hand, even when the cameras were not rolling, prompting Kendrick to say that is low. London called Bubba a pussy and a baby then says that he stiffed him in a house show in Canada and he rolled outside and stayed their the rest of the match and backstage, he asked Bubba what happened and that led to Kidman actually sticking up for him when he told Bubba that he probably meant to stiff him in the ring .London then tells a story when he they were supposed to get the belts from the Dudley’s, Fit Finlay approached them backstage and told him how they saw the Dudley’s camping outside of Vince’s office and Fit asked them if they were gonig to change the finish of the match and they said no before shrugging their shoulders and walking away.  They tell a story of how London hit a shooting star during a house show in MSG with Kidman getting upset over him stealing his shooting star press, despite the fact that he stopped using the move at the time, in the gorilla position.

London tells another story of how Bubba was a dick. Over in Italy, London said he was with Rene Dupree and they took a walk as they were both down about their standing in the company and when they came back to the locker room, Bubba was trying to bury him and he stood up for himself, which had the Undertaker come up to him and tell him how he handled himself well in the locker room.

Kendrick talks about his time in TNA at the moment. He said he is there for a week and if that isnt enough, he can go to other independents too. Kendrick said that he wants to take the X Division away from “car crash” style of matches. When he arrived, he was placed in a multi-man match and the agent told them to have a “car crash, video game-style” match. Kendrick said he isnt a video game wrestler but was able to wrestle the style he wanted and he is able to put his word in a little, more so than in the WWE.

Both guys talk about how they never did steroids and that was the one thing Kendrick’s mother promised him when he started in wrestling. London talks about how guys gooverboard on steroids and it makes them useless in the ring. He said that Carlito was all gassed up one time and tore his pec taking a simple move because he was so jacked up.

They are now asked about Vince McMahon. Kendrick said he had limited interactions with him but would give him the time when he had to meet with him. London says that Vince is close-minded and stuck in time and only remembers one time in which he felt like he didnt hate him and that was while waiting in Gorilla, Vince told him he liekd his beard and asked why his partner did not have one. London then talks about how it is disgusting to watch people lay down and give away all of their power to him. Kendrick talks about how Vince created what he loved but does not want to spend another day in the WWE, no matter how much the money. He says he knew it was his fault for being a pain in the ass and smoking weed and one day he got fired. He does not regret it but he was mad and it was tough to explain to his wife and would rather work at Home Depot.

They are asked what led to the team splitting up. They had been going nowhere and knew they were fucked and not going to move up the card, despite the fact that they were perfect for each other. They talked about trying to be called “The Hooligans” but the office said no because no one would know who they were when they split up.

London talks about how the WWE do not always know what their fans want and how they are a bastard child of entertainment, no matter how hard he tries to get into Hollywood. He then said that Vince is in the business to create stars.

Both guys talk about Rene Dupree. They both say he is hilarious. London tells a story of how Rene was lactacting once while he was on the juice. He then tells another story of how he filled his hotel bathtub with vomit after the video game challenge at WrestleMania weekend in Chicago when he had a ton of sweet potato fries at the buffet afterwards.

They talk about guys they were friends with. London said he was friends with Carlito in OVW but that he changed a lot when he got called up to the main roster, thinking that he was a lot bigger star than he really was. Knedrick calls Santino the funniest guy on the planet that he knows.

Kendrick is now asked about how his “The Brian Kendrick” character got created. He said that he pitched it to the boss and it came time for him to debut. He had new gear that his wife made and a promo. However, Michael Hayes wanted him to use a promo that he created and wear his old gear. Kendrick ended up changing into his new outfit and HHH liked it so he told that to Hayes who wanted Kendrick to get the OK from Vince. He didnt care but Hayes didnt like his promo so Hayes rearranged it and when he gave that promo to Vince, he hated it and asked him if he wrote it and Kendrick said no and gave him the promo he created and Vince loved it and told him that he should add “The” to his name. Ezekiel Jackson was added when Kendrick was working a match against Dolph Ziggler, who he said is extremely talented. Ziggler had Rob Terry as his valet at the time and during the match, Terry kept missing his cues as Kendrick was livid. They kept changing the finishes and Kendrick went backstage and nearly knocked over Steamboat by accident and started to flip out, stating that if he can make the guys he had been facing look good that he could do the same for HHH. Hayes went over to talk with him as he was threatening to quit as he went off on a tangent about putting over shitty guys like the Gymini and Deuce as Johnny Ace approached him and said they would talk to Vince. As Kendrick is waiting in front of his office, Ace sees him then walks the other way and disappears as he is by himself with Vince. He tells Vince that he is ready to quit and if he can make shitty wrestlers look good, imagine how he could make the top guys look. Shortly after that, Ace told him that he was fired and could help him get into Japan, which he said he didnt need.

They talk about Mark Henry for a second and Kendrick said that Henry threw his bachelor party for him. London said that Henry would look at porn and take out the centerfold in the locker rooms and even on airplanes.

Both guys are asked about Bryan Danielson signing with the WWE and how he will fare. Kendrick tells a story of how he cut a promo while still in the WWE and was cutting a promo about finding the perfect tag team partner but his microphone got cut off and he was livid. Originally, Kendrick pitched the idea to the WWE that Danielson be his partner but Brian Gewirtz and Johnny Ace couldnt come to an understanding and it never happened. They both say he is awesome as London calls him a positive person and that he should go to the WWE and experience it for himself instead of hearing people who were unhappy when they left.

London is asked about being in PWG. He said that everyone was nice to him and he felt appreciated. He is asked about the hybrid dolphins and said that he spend the day on the beach eating pizza an seeing the mammals and dolphins in the water then had a shitty match and was asked to come back and cut a promo, as he was high as a kite. He then came up with the idea then.

The interview closes with Kendrick talking about 9/11 conspiracy theories an states that it was the result of holograms, with London looking at him like he was an idiot.

Final Thoughts: A highly entertaining disc. Lots of funny stories sprinkled in with some insight. I will say that Kendrick comes off as being a lot more responsible for his actions than London, who does seemingly go into blame mode at times. Then again, it was known that London was not exactly in a mentally stable place during this time. It also didnt help him that he was extremely fucked up during this interview.

I will say that the interviewer was completely useless. He did not make any attempts to reign them in when they went off track. He also never challenged London on why he cracked up during the segment when Vince McMahon walked past the entire locker room en route to his limo. London himself had been rumored to have a lot of issues during his time that had been reported such as going out and doing promos that were not approved by the office and asking for time off.

I recommend this shoot though. Lots of funny stories were told and it gave a good glimpse into the atmosphere and locker room of the WWE during its run. This shoot also spawned several other shoot-style pieces by Paul London as well as a sequel. In the sequel, London is only drinking coffee and both guys come off as somewhat apologetic from this video.

Highspots Presents: Brian Kendrick & Paul London’s Excellent Adventure, Disc One

This is a two-disc set that was released in 2010. This post only contains disc one as I will post the second disc tomorrow. Disc One runs for one hour and thirty minutes

The interview starts with both men passing around a joint, already stoned. They are also drinking.

The first question is about how they met. Kendrick said that they met in California while trying to make their way through the independent scene. London talks about growing up in Texas but believed that in wrestling, you have to be away from your element and move away. He wound up in UPW. He then talks about liking to surround himself with quality human beings who inspire to be something instead of lazy people. London is high as a kite right off the bat but coherent.
Kendrick talks about signing up with Shawn Michael’s Wrestling Academy and how it was from 9-12, three days a week. He talks about Rudy Boy Gonzalez, who would be there Monday through Saturday and Kendrick would show up an hour early and leave three hours late.
Kendrick then said that he went up Johnny Ace after watching London tear it up in his dark matches against Saturn and Matt Hardy and wanted him to be his tag team partner.
London talks about being trained by Ivan Putski but went to Shawn’s to learn more about psychology. Kendrick said they never knew each other while in Texas at Shawn’s academy.
Kendrick got his first big break after 9/11 when a wrestler named Mikey Henderson turned down a chance to go to Japan and wrestle for Zero-One out of fear over the terrorist attacks so Kendrick said he would go over. This was on less than two days notice too. He had to wrestle three matches in 40 hours and would do everything from drink protein mixed with water to jerking off in order to stay awake.
London talks about people making excuses for why their career never took off and saying that people in the Indy scene in Texas would never want to travel and stayed there as he didn’t care if he had to drive all over the country for no money as this is what he wanted to do and you have to go get it if you want to make it big. You also had to not take no for an answer and never want to settle. London babbles on for a bit here but his main point makes sense.
They talk about getting into Ring of Honor. Rudy Boy rented a van and they drove from San Antonio to Philadelphia in a van to take a chance on a new promotion. London said they were losing money at the time and he was actually at college full-time at that point but was skipping classes in order to wrestle.
They then have the first of several “Stoner Moments” when they talk about bullshit stuff. My guess is that these segments came about because they talked forever, mostly due to being fucked up, and when they got off topic, they would throw these in between. I am not going to bother recapping these.
Back to Ring of Honor, London said that it helped put himself on the map but that Kendrick was already known so it just enhanced him. Kendrick said he owes a lot to Gabe Sapolsky. London said that originally, he went up there as a standby but the week before the show he got put in a match. He talks about his first match was three minutes long but he was amped and he felt horrible because his friend, Chris Marvel, snapped his ankle after catching him after an Asai Moonsault. London said that the locker room was really supportive after he was feeling awful. This does lead them to talk about locker rooms being referred to as family, which they say is bullshit, but they still loved everything about RoH.
Kendrick talks about himself as a wrestler, saying that he can make shitty guys look good and tell some sort of a story in the ring but he was never going to be a guy that a company looked at as the star. He then tells a story while in the WWE when they were six months into their Tag Title reign, an agent approached them stating that Vince wanted them to get rid of their masks because he didn’t understand why they were wearing them and just found out they had them six months into their reign. Kendrick said that his wife made them and he felt horrible as he had to get rid of them. London said that John Laurinaits told him in the parking lot that they had to get rid of them.
London talks about his various tryouts with the WWE before he got signed. He said that they tested you a lot and during one of his empty arena tryouts, he could hear the WWE wrestlers laughing at them while critiquing their stuff. London said that TNA offered him a one-year deal at the time but he turned it down as he was still going to school and wasn’t sure he wanted to be there but Kendrick put in a good word for him and he was signed.
When asked about the most jarring differences between the Independents and the WWE, Kendrick talks about the shorter matches in the WWE than in the independents and how you can be under contract and not have anything to do when you show up for TV tapings. When that happens for a while, you lose your hunger and start to think, what is the point of being here. He brings up how Paul told him he sounded like a different person after leaving the WWE. Kendrick says that the WWE is not an evil company but that it just wasn’t right for him as they wanted different things and the independents give him more self-satisfaction as he can do more. London then talks about how when you sign a contract, you give your power away to the company. They talk about when you get to the WWE, there is a list of 10-15 guys and the shows revolve around them only. He then talks about at the beginning of his run, he had a series of matches with Jimmy Yang that were well received by everyone but when they made it to TV, they were all edited heavily. London then reiterates the fact that the WWE is not for everyone and then jokes about how unless Vince pays him a gazillion dollars he is not returning. London then said that Vince’s balls would wind up in HHH’s mouth, like they always do. This is the first of many instances throughout the shoot in which you realize that Paul London will never, ever work with the WWE again.

They both now talk about the list they mentioned in the above paragraph about the company revolving around 10-15 guys. They, along with Gene Snitsky (who they both liked), were taking a tour of the corporate office in Connecticut as part of the WWE’s effort to show the wrestlers that they are working for them. Anyway, they are almost done with the tour of the building and they go into a room with Shane McMahon, who gives Snitsky a hug and offers him a cigar. He then blows off London and Kendrick, with Kendrick noting how they were treated like douchebags. After looking around the offices, they see all sorts of photos of different wrestlers and characters but did not notice any tag teams. Kendrick asks Shane what do you have to do as a tag team to get on the walls of the office and he told them that he has not cared about a tag team since the Legion of Doom. Kendrick then says he found out that the WWE is just a TV show and not a wrestling company.

After talking about how they were like the recurring characters of a TV show and learning that the actor who played “Boner” was just found dead, the interviewer then asks them about Chris Benoit. Kendrick said that he always got the vibe from him that he was crazy as London said they referred to him as being “tripolar,” but they both liked him while they were in the company. Kendrick said that Benoit was very complementary of his work and London adds that when guys would ask Benoit on how to perform a move or hold, he would tell them to go ask Kendrick. They then talk about how Benoit and Bob Holly didnt think they were taking their jobs seriously because they were not always in the gym. Kendrick even recalls being in the shower after a show one night in Nashville when Benoit opened the curtain to ask him if he worked out that day. London said that Benoit and Holly took them under their wing early on, helping them out. After a month, Kendrick left, stating that they were lunatics and the whole thing was crazy. London said that by 9am, they would have worked out for two hours, eaten a huge breakfast, then do a ton of pushups with Holly and Benoit.

Now, they tell a story about Benoit at a Bob Evans. London and Kendrick were sitting on one side of the table and at the other side were Jamie Noble (who London refers to as “Mini Benoit”), Bob Holly, and Chris Benoit. Benoit orders an insane breakfast, demanding his steak be steamed, with Bob Holly asking for twice as much food. London said he ordered egg whites and and a small steak to not piss them off but Benoit made him get the big steak. When Kendrick ordered, he asked for pancakes and waffles with all sorts of syrup and as the waitress was taking the order, Benoit reached his hand across the table and pushed down the waitresses pad and made Kendrick order what he had and watched him as he ate everything on his plate. London said he valued these experiences though and unerstood some of what they were trying to teach them.

Kendrick talks about his time under a WWE Developmental deal in the Memphis territory. One day, Memphis was shut down and they were originally told that they were either going to OVW or HWA. Joey Abs was the first guy in and he was told that he was being fired, instead of getting reassigned. Shooter Schultz and the American Dragon (Daniel Bryan), go in next and they are fired too. Kendrick got fired too by a guy named Dennis Brandt, who had never seen any of them work before. A week later, after watching a higlight reel, Brandt called him up and said that he was pretty good but at that point, Kendrick was going over to Japan.

While Memphis, Kendrick said that William Regal, Tracy Smothers, and Bobby Eaton were all awesome and great trainers but that the Office didnt think that Tracy and Bobby were the office types.

London talks about his experience in OVW. He didnt want to be there and believed he was just there to appease the office. He also didnt think he would be there long and didnt want to be either. He was only there for about three months. He didnt despise his time there at all but just did not want to be in Louisville at all. He had one TV match against Aaron Stevens (Damien Sandow).

He then talks about the developmental system and how they trained everyone like robots and that everyone wrestled the same matches with the same moves. He disliked Rip Rogers, stating that he would just bury everyone and make people give him yogurt protein bars and if you did give that to him, you could sit out on a training session, prompting London to say “What kind of faggots are they training here.” He then tells a story of Bob Holly coming down and ripping on everyone, which he said was hilarious. He tells a story of Jillian Hall trying to do 450’s off the top rope with her gut hanging out when a few hours prior she sat out a training session citing an injury and after Bob called everyone over, he told her to cover up her gut and that he would never lay down for her 450. London said OVW was also his first experience of the ass-kissing side of the business. London did have some positives in OVW. He really liked Danny Davis and Kenny Bolin.

Next, they are asked about Michael Shane. They like him a lot but at first, London said he disliked him, which prompts Kendrick to say that he is an asshole but still likes him. London even added that he tried to get Shane booked but promoters would be hesistant due to stories about him being difficult. He said that when they worked for Ring of Honor, they hit it off and became friends. London is surprised that he didnt make it to the WWE and put him over for being able to throw great punches but again, Kendrick reiterates the fact that he is an asshole as to why he never made it into the WWF.

London tells another story while in Reno with Shane. At first, they got pulled over and almost arrested. After one of the guys they were with got shorted over pay, the came back drunk to the hotel room and London slammed a lamp on the ground. He said it didnt break and he felt like an idiot but as he was reaching to pick it up, Shane walks over and stomps the lamp.

They talk about being in Japan for a minute. The talk about how they are weird over there and very perverted. Kendrick says that he feels great over there because as a “short-dicked Irish man” the Japanese condoms are very small but at the same time the Magnums are American and way too big. London said that the Zero-One Promotion would always put the wrestlers in hotels right near Roppongi, which is a party district. Then after a while, they stopped that as all of the guys would take buses into town and go to all of the bars. London then speaks of the Japanese porn channels in the hotel rooms and all they censor penetration. He then talks about a wrestler named Tom Howard who came up to he and Low Ki to tell them about a “stomper bar,” which is a place you would pay money for them to stomp on your nuts or even gerbils. Kendrick then said he got tied up once there and burned with candle wax while getting whipped, prompting him to say how he loves those “goofy gooks.”

London then talks again about the WWE and how he said no matter how hard he worked, he never felt the reciprocation from the company. He remembers being excited just for the fact that he got to be in the Royal Rumble match, which was his favorite PPV. When it came time for him to be eliminated by Snitsky, he said he wasn’t going to get thrown out in some lazy manner like most people did and wanted his elimination to stand out and he worked out the spot in which he got his head taken off by a clothesline and flipped off of the apron onto the floor where an ambulance took him to the back. He said when he got backstage, they asked him if he was alright and he said yes then they told him his elimination looked “too good” and that it took away from the match and London said he got heat over that spot. He said that he wasn’t going to be like the rest of the “clones” and refuses to settle for mediocrity.

Now they are asked about if they had agents lay everything out for them or if they had freedom. London talks about how he usually had either Ricky Steamboat, Arn Anderson, or Dean Malenko as agents and liked all three guys but that the agents usually worked under the umbrella of the office and did not have much freedom at all themselves. He then talks about other agents that would lie to their face, like Mike Rotunda, that would never consider of even ask the office about their suggestions, even when he said he would speak up to the office itself. London says that it works better as a collaboration but that did not happen much. Kendrick is more diplomatic and said that the agents had to do their jobs but some were better than others at laying out things for you.

Next, they are asked if they had doubts after being told by Shane McMahon that he hasn’t cared about a tag team since the Legion of Doom. Kendrick basically said that they were fucked anyway but thought they were getting over as a team. He also said the crowd responded to him as well but that when he asked backstage, they told him they heard it but it might not be a big as what they did so he could be wrong in that aspect. London said that over time, they got respect from the wrestlers and the agents for their work but at the end, most people in that company are powerless. At the end, both guys state that despite the fact that they were frustrated while in the WWE, others should try it out for themselves instead of listening to people who were bitter about their experiences.

The guys now talked about wrestling against Deuce & Domino and state how Deuce is the worst wrestler they ever wrestled with. They said he was a trash talker and would never even bump for them. For instance, London would fly across the ring and dropkick him in the face and still wouldn’t bumpand just held on to the ropes. Kendrick says that Deuce lives off of his dad’s (Jimmy Snuka) laurels but is dad was really cool. He then mentions how Snuka told him that when he first met him as a student he was going to kill him but at the end he said that they loved him and how they now bum smokes off of each other. London jokes that Deuce would make a better gay porn star than wrestler.

On working with William Regal & Dave Taylor, Kendrick first talks about how he trained under Regal while in Memphis and owes a lot to him. He got along with Taylor a lot too. London didnt have a problem with them but noted for some reason, whenever he went to dropkick Taylor he would always hit him in the ribs. London then joked how Taylor looked like Don Flamingo from “Mike Tyson’s Punchout.” London then says it was a pleasure working with hose guys who are veterans but would still bump for them and take everything they would give without complaining and even suggesting more from them. This leads to more bashing of Deuce who refuses to bump despite not having accomplished anything in wrestling himself.

They say the proudest accomplishment was getting a really good match out of KC James and Idol Stevens (Damien Sandow). They both say that KC James is awesome then talk about how after their PPV match against them, they were clapping when they came backstage from the gorilla position. Six months later, they had split up and James became an enhancement talent on the new ECW as James Curtis but was still under contract. One day backstage, Vince walks by and looks at James and said “look at this guy, sign him” then walks away. London tells another story about KC James when in England. There was a notorious rat over their called “Big Bird” who London said was nasty. Anyway, James told him how she wanted him to romance her and he did not want to do any of that so he told him that he went into the bathroom and took off her clothes only to come out and stick his cock into her face, which horrified her and she left. They then talk about how James was born twenty years too late and would have fit in the 1980’s style of wrestling perfectly with his look and attitude.

Final Thoughts: I found this to be entertaining, although disc two is better and mostly all about everyone they worked with in the WWF. A lot of the interview strays off topic and the interviewer doesn’t even attempt to lead them back to the topic at hand. Most of the rambling is probably due to the fact that they are high and drunk. London comes off a lot more bitter than Kendrick and as the this progresses (you can tell a lot more in the second disc), London gets a lot more fucked up. Still, they show a decent amount of insight and you can tell just how passionate they were about wrestling when they were starting out.

RF Video Shoot Interview with Paul Roma

This was filmed in 2013. It runs at one hour and fifty-seven minutes long.

Roma said he never watched wrestling growing up. He knew of Bruno Sammartino but didn’t know anyone else. He said that he started out in bodybuilding and invited to the USA tournament but did not want to turn pro.
He got into wrestling due to his father, who had a friend that was an former pro-boxer and knew some promoters and a guy at a wrestling school. At first, he was trained by Tony Altimore then Mr. Fuji took him under his wing. He was training before the WWF shows were Fuji was at the time and he would fine-tune him on the basics then when he went on the road, he started to learn about the psychology. He has a ton of respect of Mr. Fuji then says in wrestling, people either fear or respect you. Roma said that he respected everyone.
Roma said that psychology was the hardest thing to learn. He said that at no point did he ever get discouraged about wrestling, stating that he has never failed at anything in his life.
Once again, Roma puts over Fuji. He said that how he was really green to the business at the time, Fuji helped him out in that aspect.
He talks about how when he grew up, your word was your bond and he meant what he said but in wrestling, Roma talks about people stabbing you in the back constantly. He said there was a chosen few that you could trust.
Roma said that after a few years in the WWF, Orndorff gave him the best advice he ever received in wrestling. Orndorff told him that he looked great and was a good worker but that Vince would never promote you and the only way to get over is to promote yourself, so whatever type of person you are, give that to the people.
He talks about after a few years as an enhancement guy, he said fuck this and wanted to quit. He talked with Fuji, who said that he would go talk to “Caesar,” which is what he called Vince McMahon. Roma said that he had no connections and if was someone like Lanny Poffo, he could have been over big with his looks and ability. Anyway, Fuji said to hang in and they gave him a little bit of a push.
On his earliest memories as an enhancement guy, he said there were guys like Ken Patera that respected him but others like Brutus Beefcake, who were jealous of his body.
Roma said that he was never intimidated and that he knew the person that he was and how much he struggled in life. He did not get into detail on his life struggle. Roma said his body was great and after time, his ability got better.
When asked about Hogan, Roma said that at the beginning he thought he was a nice guy. On a few occasions, Hogan would go to the gym with him but after a while, that stopped due to Hogan’s ego increasing.
On the locker room in the 80’s, Roma said that it was superficially friendly. There were a few who were genuinely nice though.
His first big break was against Big John Studd. Before their match in Toronto, Studd asked him what he could do in the ring. Roma, who said he was green at the time, suggested that he dropkick him and that caused Studd to laugh, which pissed off Roma who told Studd he could “dropkick him off the top of his fucking head.” Studd told him to try that and in the match, Roma got his foot to reach the head of Studd and after that, he was told to use that move in every single one of his matches.
When asked how he dealt with pressure, he said that he just grinded away. He says the first time he went to TV, he looked at Hogan and asked the guy next to him who he was and he couldn’t believe him. Again, Roma stresses how he never followed wrestling prior to training.
Roma said he really liked Andre. He was introduced to him by Mr. Fuji, who told Andre that he was his guy. From there, Andre taught him how to play cribbage and they became friends. Roma confirms that Andre either liked or hated you and if he did indeed hate you, get out of his way. He recalls one instance when he stiffed someone in the ring. It was during a battle royal and the instructions were to rush at Andre and eliminate him as soon as he stepped into the ring but Koko B Ware did this prematurely and Andre swatted him like a fly. Feinstein then brings up how Roma and Koko fought in the locker room but that they will get to that later.
He said that Piper was a good guy but crazy. He also helped show him how to do a few things at the gym. He said he had no issues at all with the Ultimate Warrior and that he gave him no reasons to dislike him. He said that Randy Savage was a funny character and recalls how they became friendly when he brought his kid to one of the shows in Florida and Elizabeth took a liking to his son. He was then asked about how Randy was protective of his wife and Roma said that while he was very anal about it and locked her down at times but now that he is out of the business and sees what goes on today, he gets why he was overprotective.
When asked if he was content with his role in the early 80’s WWF, Roma said that he was never content and how only losers are content. He also said how he never failed at anything at his life. He talks about Power & Glory for a bit and how since Vince did not create the gimmick, he did nothing at all to promote them. He even said at the time, everyone in the locker room said they should have been the champions. He said that the Hart Foundation and Legion of Doom put them over, with the Hart Foundation calling them the best team in the company.
He said that the only person who was difficult to work with at the beginning was Brutus Beefcake, but Roma said that it wasn’t his fault. He was teaming with Salvatore Bellomo, who was supposed to eat the pin from Brutus but he was bullshit and complained to the agent, Chief Jay Strongbow, but that Vince did not want Roma to lose. During the match, Roma grabbed a headlock and started to show off his body so Brutus dumped him with a back suplex but after that, everything was cool.
Next, they discuss the “Young Stallions.” He said that the rumor of Mr. T being their manager was true. However, he never showed up to the arenas and that changed their plans.
Feinstein brings up how in his shoot interview, Jim Powers claimed that Roma made him wait for him at his house. Roma brushes it off saying that must be his recollection of what happened then. Roma then tells the story of what happened. He said that they were put together as the result of the Can-Am Express leaving. Roma said that Powers was not a punctual person and he liked to change his flights. He said they were scheduled for a show in Los Angeles and he arrived early to the hotel they always stayed at and waited for Powers, who said he was taking a later flight. He said he kept waiting for Powers , despite the fact that he was going to be late, because he wouldn’t have a car to get to the arena. He even turned around a few times to go back to the hotel when he saw a shuttle bus, thinking that he was there. Anyway, he arrives to the arena late and apologizes to Gorilla Monsoon, saying that he was waiting for his partner when Gorilla informed in that he had been here for over an hour. Roma then storms to the trailer and sees Powers, who asked him what was going on as Roma cursed him out.
Roma then goes on to state how he didn’t want the aggravation of being with Powers any longer. He also said that he would come to the ring drunk almost all of the time and no one wanted to work with him so he had to do the majority of the matches. He said that he went to Pat Patterson and said that he was done with him and despite Patterson’s pleas, he would not budge on his stance. Roma then said that Powers was Patterson’s “candy ass,” but by this is not insinuating that Powers let Patterson suck his dick after Roma said he was not letting some guy blow him for a push. After that, the office was pissed at him.
Roma is asked if any of the wrestlers ever got ahead by performing sexual favors for Patterson and he said that they did. He then tells a story of when he was teaming with Hercules, he was in the locker room with the guys around and Hercules joked that if his partner (Roma) sucked Patterson’s dick, maybe they could get a push.
He is asked about going over the Hart Foundation at “Saturday Night’s Main Event.” Roma said that they were professionals and Anvil was stiff but funny as hell to work with. He liked Jim Brunzell a lot, saying he was a professional and a nice guy but Blair was tough to work with and only about himself. Roma said that he put him in his place in the ring a few times when he started to get rough on him. He said that the Conquistadors were hard to work with but Demolition were great.
Roma said that whatever he did in the ring, Powers would copy him the following night and would use his spots in the matches. Roma said that one day, Barry Horowitz said that he was refusing to work with them because Powers reeked of booze and he was putting his life in his hands. Roma said he pleaded with Horowitz and promised to work the match himself.
After that, he worked in singles matches. He said that Boris Zhukov was lazy most of the time. He worked with Bad News Brown a few times and said he was a great guy and liked him because he was a real person. Roma then says that they were similar and says at the end of the day, he is not going to sugarcoat something because it might offend someone down the road. He is going to speak his mind. Roma puts over Rick Rude for having great psychology and said that they tore the house down one night just by punching each other in the stomach.
Roma is asked about him being critical of Ted DiBiase for going back to work for Vince after he said all of those bad things about Vince. Roma said that Vince is Satan and would get guys out of all sorts of trouble and if they did the same stuff today, they would shut the WWE down but it didn’t happen then because Vince swept everything under the rug. Roma said that after the fact that DiBiase said he went back to try to change the other wrestlers and says if he thinks that he was going to save guys who are “drugging and fucking” by saying a few bible verses then that is great but at the end of the day, he still worked for the devil.
He is asked about steroids in wrestling. Roma said he doesn’t have a problem with it, because they are not using it to make money as a bodybuilder and that they are just putting fluid into their joints to provide for the families. He said that they could probably shut down bodybuilding if they targeted it but they won’t. He denied taking steroids.
When asked about the WWE Wellness Policy, he said that it is horseshit. He says that they pick and choose who they want to help and that they offer no insurance or 401K and that Vince is getting rich off of the wrestlers while they don’t get shit. He then says HHH is there and not trying to change anything. He questions how much will it really cost Vince to offer medical benefits, especially after spending $100 million on a political campaign.
Roma said he first met Hercules in Australia while teaming with SD Jones. Hercules gave Roma the throat slash gesture and Jones told Roma that he meant it. Hercules never did anything to him but one day, they started to drive together despite Roma being a face and Hercules a heel but Vince got wind of this and they made an arrangement that they would drop off someone near the arena and they would walk in separately.
Roma said that he went to the office one day and asked to be paired with Hercules, stating they both were doing nothing at the time, and to be called “Power and Glory.” Roma then said that the whole reason behind the team is that he will score the pin, no matter what and in return, he would always get pinned because he wanted to protect Hercules, who was the big guy of the team.
He calls the Rockers two of the best workers in the business. When asked if he ever had problems with Shawn, he said he was not there when he was getting his singles push. He then tells a story about Marty Jannetty. They were on a flight and there was a guy acting like a complete dick, stating how he just got released from prison. He sees Marty walk out of the bathroom and drop something and it turned out to be a turd. Marty ends up dropping the turd behind the guys back and he squishes it against the seat and flips out. He yells at Hercules, thinking he did this, and starts to threaten everyone on the plane, claiming that he had a gun in his bag that was underneath the plane. Roma said when they got off the plane, he told the stewardess to get the cops because he was threatening everyone and the cops grabbed him and sure enough, he ended up having a gun in his bag
Roma then tells a story about Shawn Michaels. They were at a show in Rhode Island and Roma had his son with him who was crying because he lost. Roma told his son that he let them beat him and tomorrow, they would let him beat them. He then asked Shawn if he could tell his son the same thing and he refused. Roma then sat his son down and went up to Shawn and told him his kid was upset and that they were working tomorrow and he would “fucking make him pay” so Shawn finally went over to his son. Roma jokes about how Shawn couldn’t tell a four year old that it was a work and was mad because Roma stood up for Shawn before in the past.
Roma said that Vince never got behind the team because it was not his idea .
He puts over Slick for being not only a great mouthpiece but a great guy as well.
Roma said he approached Vince about selling T-Shirts and was told that only faces sold shirts. Vince then joked that they could put up the money themselves and Roma said he would so Vince said that he would think about that. Roma was confident that they could have made some money selling those shirts.
He is asked about the Legion of Doom. He said that Animal was tough to work with. At one show in MSG, Roma said that Hercules was scheduled to lose to Animal and Roma did not want him to lose, because it would hurt the team, so he went to Vince and asked to take his place in the match to lose against Animal. Roma liked Hawk.
Roma said that he respected Vince because he was his boss but you could not believe most of what he said and that he was probably worse than most businessman. He said that Vince never associated with the wrestlers but they would see him with his associates at diner’s after shows on occasion.
He is then asked about working with Ricky Steamboat and a past interview in which he said that Ricky had a huge ego. Roma said that he never saw the big deal with Steamboat, stating maybe he saw him when he was past his prime, and makes fun of his chops that he used and says that you should make it look real like you are “knocking someone’s dick off.” He brings up a match they had at MSG when Steamboat asked him if he could take an armdrag off of the top rope and he said sure, then asked what Roma wanted to do and he said something and Steamboat was fine. The armdrag spot goes off without a hitch and when it was turn for Roma’s spot, Steamboat made the tag. That pissed off Roma so when they were back together in the ring, Roma said that he straightened him out with a snap suplex that cracked his spine, stating that isn’t how it works with him.
Roma talks about how awesome it was to wrestle at MSG, stating he had to try to keep his dick soft because he was so excited and amped up.
Now, Roma is asked about is fight with Koko B. Ware. They were backstage at the Rosemont Horizon and Koko came into the locker room with all of the boys around and told Roma that he heard he was saying something about him then he punched Roma in the face and followed it up with two more punches. Roma said he didn’t budge and goes on how if you hit someone in the face three times and they do not budge, you shake his hand because you cannot hurt him. Roma said that Koko was all fucked up on drugs at the time anyway then he hooked him but Koko starts to bite him. Roma then brings him to the floor but Koko’s head slips out so Roma shakes off Koko then Blackjack Lanza gets between them and Koko goes downstairs to his locker room, as he had a separate room with his bird, Frankie. Bobby Heenan then went to him and asked why he didn’t fight back and Roma said that Koko was a star at the time and he was “shit” so he would get fired. Heenan told him that he had his back and to go after him. Roma then claims that he ran with guys who “owned” Chicago and if he wanted something done, it could happen then tells a story of how they were backstage once and Lanza told them to leave but Roma said he could tell them to leave so Lanza said it was fine and they ended up walking him out to the ring. Back to the Koko story, Roma went to his locker room and told Koko to open up the door because he was going to kick his ass. Roma said that he said everything possible to get him to come out and he wouldn’t. The next day, the fly to TV and Patterson takes him aside and said he heard he was in a fight and yells at him for fighting Koko. Roma said that there was not a fight as Koko punched him three times and he did not throw a punch and that he couldn’t fire him for that, which left Patterson speechless. Koko then walked by him at TV and apologized and Roma told him it was fine because he couldn’t hurt him anyway.
Roma is asked about several other wrestlers. He never saw Kerry Von Erich act crazy and said he was cool and respectful. He said that Haku was the biggest badass in the locker room but also one of the nicest guys around.
When asked about the piss tests in the WWF, Roma said that it was easy and that everyone was waiting for him to show up and he would give them a little bit of his piss so they would all pass, as he was clean. Roma said that most of the tests were for cocaine at that time and one of the only wrestlers who were routinely scheduled for tests and could miss a test and no one would care because they knew he was clean and Roma said they all knew who was dirty or clean. Roma said that it wasn’t his thing and said one time they were at a party in one of the wrestler’s rooms and that someone dumped a bunch of pills on the bed and they pressured him to take some but Hercules stood up for him and said he wasn’t into that shit, he was into pussy. Roma said that he would go to clubs and buy a few drinks for people but would just have cranberry juice for himself.
Roma talks about his injury at WrestleMania VII. Hercules tore his groin the night before the show and Roma hurt his elbow. He got to the arena a few hours before the show and the doctor told him that his elbow looked like he had been smashing concrete walls. The doctor told him that if he hit his elbow, there was a chance that he could lose his arm. He went to Vince, who was in a meeting, with his arm in a sling and Vince was worried. Roma told him what the doctor said and Vince said he had to perform. Roma asked who would care for his family if something happened to his arm and Vince told him of course he would care for his family. Roma bought a brace and Vince cut their match from twenty minutes to about two, adding time to other matches. The match finished and after that, the doctors drained 33cc’s of fluid from the elbow, to which he replied that he hadn’t even taken that much out of a knee before. He said that he was the fool for doing that.
He is then asked about the SummerSlam match against Marty Jannetty. Shawn blew out his knee the night before so Marty worked the whole thing. Roma said that USA Today called it the match of the night.
Roma said that he ended up leaving the WWF after they split him up from Hercules during a tour of France. Patterson told him that he was getting a push and that they would take care of Hercules, which he thought was bullshit and Roma told him “fuck this, I quit” and Vince was pissed. Roma told him how he almost lost his arm for the company at WrestleMania and that he and other teams were the blood and guts of the company and Vince was irate and blew up at him. Roma said he grew up with his father saying you do not kiss anyone’s ass and that you can always find another job and if you can’t, family will take care of you. He then said that his father stressed respect all of the time.
He wound up in WCW after working in a gym. He flipped the channel and saw “two jabronis” on TV and said that was were he belonged so he called WCW for a job. They called him back and said he was going to be part of the Four Horsemen. Looking back, Roma said that he probably should have done a bit of brushing up on the history of the Horsemen. They told him they wanted someone who looked great and could put women in the seats. He said that Flair would tell him after matches that they did things a certain way and Roma said that is fine but tell him that beforehand. He was not allowed to clap to get his partner going he had to bang against the turnbuckle.
He thought that Eric Bischoff was trying to make business thrive but unsure of what he was doing and more of a mark than a businessman.
Roma then said that Ole Anderson took him aside and told him how he didn’t know much about him or what he could do. Roma then said how he was either “jerking his dick” or was a complete fucking idiot because why do you bring someone in for a job if you do not know what they can do
When asked about splitting from the Horsemen, Roma said that he thought Flair was pissed because he took his shine away, stating that he did not need to dance on tables or woooooo and he commanded respect when he walked into the room. He also said that he was more popular with the ladies.
Roma was asked about the smart marks and said that he didn’t hear about how awful of a choice he was to be part of the group then just laughs and says who gives a fuck what they say and despite the fact you want people to like you, he gave everything he had when he stepped into the ring and that if knocking him helps you get through the day, then that is fine.
He said that he knew Steve Austin was a special talent and that they told him to go to the WWF so they could make a superstar out of him.
Roma is asked about HHH in WCW. He was paired with him first so HHH could learn from him. Roma said that he was a nice guy but a bit of a joker in the ring. He then brings up how after a little bit of a push, he started to knock him in an interview. Roma then said if HHH “didn’t take it in the ass” and marry the boss’s daughter, he wouldn’t be where he was today. Roma then goes on to say that he isn’t a great worker and that he will never be as big as Hogan, Savage, or the Ultimate Warrior, no matter how many WrestleMania’s he writes himself in and at the end of the day, you are never going to be a draw like them because he lacks the attributes the major stars have.
He is then asked about HHH knocking him in the Four Horsemen DVD (HHH said that he couldn’t believe the “job guy from the WWF” got into the group) and said that at the end of the day, what is HHH famous for, other than what he “made up.” Roma said he is an athlete and lists off the sports he played and asks HHH what the fuck is he able to do and if HHH is still talking about him, that must mean that he is still a thorn in his ass. He finishes by telling HHH to go fuck himself.
When asked about the passing of Hercules, Roma said that it felt like he lost his brother then says that he talks to him while he is at the gym today, apparently before he does a set he says it is for him. He plays Guns ‘n’ Roses in his honor.
Next, he is asked about teaming with Orndorff. Roma said that he came up with the Pretty Wonderful name.
He liked Too Cold Scorpio but thought Marcus Bagwell sucked and said how Orndorff hated him. Roma then said how Bagwell got his job because someone in his family knew a member of the office.
Up next is his match at SuperBrawl against Alex Wright. They had an angle over who was better looking. Roma had an agreement with WCW in that he would go around with Wright and make him look good but that he would not do the job on the PPV. Flair said that was fine. Roma said he didn’t want to do the job because Wright was a “fucking jabroni” who couldn’t work and constantly blew up in the matches. At the show, he was told how they want Wright over. He mentioned the prior agreement and they didn’t care so in his mind, Roma knew that they couldn’t edit the PPV because it was live so he made an ass out of Wright. He said that Wright fucked up one of his spots and at the finish, he kicked out before the finish and pulled Wright up. Flair told him that the match wasn’t good and Roma fired back that he was told different by others and shortly after that, WCW sent him a letter stating he was no longer needed.
He is asked if he developed a passion for the business or just in it for a paycheck. Roma said that he wants to get paid but he always has the passion to be the best. He strived to be the best when he was a jobber for his first three years in the WWF. Roma said that now he sells technology and strives to be the best at that.
Roma is asked about the tryout with Alex Roma, who was a student of Mr. Fuji. They had a few dark matches. One day, Alex said that he couldn’t believe that he didn’t take the deal. Roma said no one ever called him to make the offer and how Vince never works like that, insinuating that Alex believed someone’s bullshit.
He is asked if he watches wrestling today. He says he cannot stand to watch TNA and cannot believe how they let the same people fuck up the company continue to make decisions.
Roma talks about the death of Louie Spiccoli. He believes that some of the people he was with drugged him and that he tried to get the case investigated as he talked to him two days prior his death and how he was extremely happy over signing a contract .
When asked about the biggest misconception of himself, he says that people might think he is arrogant but do they know that he is a spokesman for St. Jude’s Hospital and speaks to little children who were sick and dying in the hospital. Roma said that you have to make those kids feel good about tomorrow. At the end of the day, he doesn’t give a fuck what people think about him.
Roma talks about Chris Benoit. He said that Benoit welcomed him with open arms in WCW. When he heard about the tragedy, he said that he originally told people  at his work that he was a great guy but told them he was wrong when he found out about him murdering his son. Roma says you shouldn’t take anyone’s life and he gets it that someone would kill their spouse over cheating but taking the life of a kid is inexcusable. Roma says a combination of drugs is what he believes throws him over the edge.
He never visits house shows when they roll into town. He watches TV on rare occasions and says that out of the guys today they could make Orton into a superstar if they promoted him right. He doesn’t get why they like Cena and wouldn’t want his kid to be like CM Punk.
The greatest rib he has ever seen was when they landed in Texas after flying from California, someone cut a girl’s hair while she was sleeping then pulled down her shirt, exposing her tits and shaved a racing stripe in the head of the guy next to her and pissed all over the guy too. When they got off of the plane, the guy and girl got arrested. He did not say who was behind the prank.
Roma closes by thanking the fans.

Final Thoughts: Oh, this was good. Roma didn’t dodge a single question, which is what made it such an awesome shoot. He said it himself that he was not going to hold back on anything and is not worried about upsetting someone down the road. Sure, you can see parts of Roma’s personality that would rub people the wrong way and that he probably goes overboard at times but this is what makes a great shoot interview. Some of this might read like Roma is bitter but he did not come across that way at all, he just answered every question in a straight forward manner. Physically, he still looks great today so I believe him 100% perecent when he said he never drank or did any drugs. I would seek this one out if you are looking for a shoot interview. It is under two hours long and he says a lot without beating around the bush. 

Paul Heyman article

Here is an excellent article describing the on-screen character of the manager, promoter, commentator, et al that we love to hate. Heyman/Dangerously portrays a misogynist to the Nth degree and improves the quality of programming in doing so. While some men shy away from his true distaste for women in prominent roles women despise the character to the core. That, to me, is what makes Paul Heyman a fascinating player on the wrestling stage. Enjoy!

RF Video Shoot Interview with Paul Orndorff

This interview was filmed in 2002. It ran about two hours and 45 minutes long.

Orndorff is asked if he was a fan of wrestling growing up. He said that he was not but after getting drafted by the New Orleans Saints and after failing his physical and not making the team, he lost his spirit for football and went to Tampa, where he was a former High School All-American. His father in-law knew Eddie Graham and he got a tryout.

He is asked about bodybuilding. He said that he did it for football then became obsessed with it and said that he had the best natural body in the business. He then looks back and says that his WWF heel character worked because that is what he was at that time, a jerk who was overly aggressive.

He was trained by Hiro Matsuda. Orndorff said that most people didn’t last long in training and that it was brutal. He said that he had four practices in a single day with the Saints and that still didnt compare to the training under Matsuda. They would practice in a building that was closed up and over 100 degrees inside. He said that he had the drive and was passionate and that is why he made it.

His first went to Memphis and stayed for nine months. After a week, Eddie Marlin took him aside and said that if he didnt improve, he would be let go. Orndorff said that the crowds intimidated him and he is not an outgoing person, making it tough at first. After that, he started doing things he had never done before and called Marlin a good guy that knew how to handle him.

In Memphis with him at that time was Jerry Lawler, Junkyard Dog, and the Fullers.

Next, he went to Mid-South to work for Watts. Orndorff said that he liked athletes and called the territory an experience. He said that the travel was a rude awakening but he loved it. After a while, he left and went to Charlotte after George Scott saw him and asked if he wanted to go to Charlotte.

He is asked about working with Dusty Rhodes and Ernie Ladd. He said that he has the utmost respect for Ladd as he helped him tremendously. He did not hang around Dusty all that much.

He is asked about Bill Watts being tough. Orndorff said that he was and that Watts made all the new guys go through him.

In regards to working the Superdome, he said that he only had about two years of experience and had to grow up quickly. When asked if guys were jealous of him, Orndorff said maybe a few of the older guys but that he gernerally got along with everyone.

Orndorff is asked about Andre the Giant. He said that he was very smart and respected him a lot. He called him a friend and said that if Andre didn’t like you, he would let you know.

He is now asked if he left Watts under good terms. Orndorff said no and that he got pissed when he found out he was not getting any money off of his T-shirts and got fired. Orndorff said that he really did him a favor and that Watts did not know he had a deal with Charlotte.

He is asked about teaming with Snuka. Orndorff puts him over as one of the best ever and that he learned a lot from him. He said that they had fantastic matches against Gene & Ole Anderson. When asked about Greg Valentine, he liked him a lot and said that he was old school and enjoyed working with him.

When comparing the locker rooms between Charlotte and Mid-South, Orndorff said Charlotte had a lot more stars. He said if you asked the veterans for help, they would help you but if you did not, you wouldnt receive any help at all.

He is asked about Ric Flair at that time. He calls him a great worker and that you need the “pencil” behind you and if you did not, you were only as good as you want to be.

Orndorff is asked about David Schultz. He said that he was a good worker but cocky. He was asked about the John Stossel incident and Orndorff said that Schultz was trying to get himself over as the top heel and that was his way of trying to get notoriety.

Rob jumps ahead and asks if he ever bumped heads with Roddy Piper about being the top heel. Orndorff said that as corny as it might sound, he let his work do the talking instead of backstage politics.

Orndorff quit Charlotte and went back to work for Watts. He said that he was miserable in Charlotte. He is then asked if Watts treated him different and he said yes but he likes Watts.

He is asked about Dick Slater. Orndorff liked him a lot and calls him and Bob Orton one of the best tag teams ever. He also liked Orton but said that he stuttered a lot. He says that guys like Orton, Slater, and Eddie Graham are the ones who should be thanked as they are the reasons that guys are making big money today.

Next, Orndorff is asked about Hulk Hogan around this time. He said that Hogan was never an athlete and playing the guitar at the time but didnt really no much about him until he went to the WWF. Orndorff calls him smart and charismatic.

He is asked about working with Ted DiBiase. He said that they had good matches sold out the Coliseum and had an hour-long draw. Orndorff said at first, he didnt think it would work as they were two young guys without much experience. Orndorff puts over the genius of Watts for having the vision to see that it would workout then adds how the match gave him a lot of confidence going forward.

When asked about Jake Roberts, Orndorff said that he really is a snake. He calls him a good worker but didnt care much for him personally. He said that while he is a straight shooter, Roberts would make everything about himself.

He is asked about matches against JYD. He said that in Mississippi, he had a gun pulled out on him. It was his first time working heel too. Orndorff said that JYD tried and was a hard worker but they had different styles. Orndorff said that he was determined to give the best match on the card. He brings up how Eddie Graham once told him that if you wrestle in front of ten people or ten thousand people, you still give the same effort.

Orndorff is asked about Ricky Steamboat and joked that he was “too good.” He also said that he was ahead of his time and one of the best.

Next, Orndorff went to Georgia and wrestled for Jim Barnett. He said that he got a good guarantee and liked the schedule. He said that he got along with Ole Anderson then adds that you always knew where you stood with him. Orndorff also states that the TV show put TBS on the map and because you were on TV, you could go to another territory and be noticed.

Orndorff is asked about an altercation he had with Tony Atlas. He tells a story of how Brian Blair was driving and Orndorff was with Atlas. They had a cooler with melted ice and everytime they took a turn, the water would splash on himself. He wanted Blair to pull over but Atlas said no and wanted to keep going. They kept going at it then he said it ended up with Atlas going to the hospital after they fought on the side of the road. He said that he didnt know what happened with Atlas that night as they always got along.

He is asked about any Ric Flair stories. Orndorff said that he doesnt but puts over Flair for his psychology and work. He also puts over Harley Race for his psychology and that both guys could draw and were nice guys.

Orndorff went over to Japan to work for Antonio Inoki. He said that happened when Ernie Ladd told him that Vince McMahon Sr. wanted him to work for the WWF. Orndorff said that he was called a year and a half prior but declined because he said that he was not ready yet. Around this time, Vince Jr. was getting ready to take over for his dad so he only worked in Japan for several months while Vince Sr. took care of him.

He said that he liked Japan and wished that America would adopt their ways of doing business. He said that he trained hard over there but did not like the food and that it was too far of a plane ride.

Orndorff went to the WWF with David Schultz, Hogan, Piper, and Orton. He said that Vince Jr. treated them wonderfully and wanted to take over the world. He said that Vince told them all of the expansion plans. When asked if it would work, he said that you have to take chances. Orndorff said that at the time, WWF did not have many athletes and relied on slow, lumbering guys.

He confirmed that the office came up with the idea to team him up with Schultz and Piper. He said that he did not like tag matches but they are a good way of helping young guys. He said that Vince told him he was going to make money and when he says that, you will and he is still like that today.

At this time, he traveled with Heenan a lot when he came in and also traveled with guys like Tito Santana and Rick McGraw but he liked to travel by himself and concentrate on his matches instead of being caught up in gossip. He said that he took his work seriously.

Orndorff talks about wrestling today and how they no longer have guys around to teach psychology. He said that teaching someone to jump off a balcony or take a bump off the top rope is the easy part. He then adds how no competition will really hurt things in the long run as competition makes everyone better.

Next, he is asked about working against Hogan when he first got the title. Orndoff said that he loved worknig with him and calls him good people. He then adds that Hogan made him a ton of money and the hottest heel in the company as Orndorff made him the hottest face in company.

He is asked about how Snuka was in the WWF at this time. He points out that is body was broken down and had “other” problems going on as well. Snuka’s drug problem was rumored to be out of control at this time.

When asked about Vince changing as the company grew bigger, Orndorff said he is a class act all the way. He tells a story of how he got hurt at the end of WCW and Vince called him and told him how much he respected him.

Orndorff is then asked about Captain Lou Albano. He brings up how he was always loaded on the plane rides and would talk the entire flight. He said he was a fun guy.

He said that Jesse Ventura was probably ahead of his time but his gimmick didnt do anything for him. Orndorff thinks that there must be LSD in the waters of Minnesota for him to get elected governor then says that he wouldnt be any worse than the others.

Next, is the incident between David Schultz and John Stossel. Orndorff thoguht he should be fired as you had Schultz, who was 6’5, slap a tiny reporter in Stossel. Orndorff also believes that they should act like professionals and stuff like this is what gives wrestling a bad name.

Orndorff is asked if the TNT skits bothered him. He said not at all and mentions that it was all ad-libbed. He saw it as another vehicle, as you couldnt have just wrestling all the time. Orndorff thought it was smart and that Vince knew how to get his product over.

He is asked about several workers. Orndorff thought that Rocky Johnson was all show and when he was facing him, he was past his prime. He couldnt stand Chief Jay Strongbow at all. he still doesnt like him and says that Strongbow never treated him with respect and one day, he dressed down Strongbow in front of the locker room. He loved Bruno Sammartino, calling him a great and humble guy. He would have loved to work with him in his prime.

They talk about MTV. Orndorff said Vince told him it was all about the big picture. He tried to focus on himself at this time. Vince says he was the first to do this (WrestleMania) and said everywhere they went after that, people were talking about it. He was asked about if he had to change his style and Orndorff said not at all.

Next, he is asked about Mr. T. He said that he did not like him and if he tried to shoot on them, Piper and him had a plan. Feinstein asks him about the rumor of Bruiser Brody running in during the main event and shooting on Mr. T but Orndorff said that he never heard about that.

In regards to the travel schedule, Orndorff said that it burned everyone out. He said that he got offered a role in “Rambo” but Vince would not give him the time off to film. He also got offered a part on “Miami Vice” by Don Johnson that he was unable to get the time off for. He adds that he was in the main event and had to be at all the shows.

Orndorff is asked about the drugs in the locker room. He said that wasnt for him because he took his job seriously and you cant burn the candle at both ends. He says that the drugs were there.

Back to Mr. T, Orndorff said he was scared to death but they worked with him. When asked who trained him, Orndorff said he forgot then jokes how they didnt do a very good job.

They ask Orndorff about the training vignette in which they throw Gene Okerlund out on the street. Orndorff thought it was great.

Now, he is asked about turning babyface. He said that he did not like it much at all. He then adds that he suggested to them that he get the belt then lose it back to Hogan, mentioning how it would have drawn huge, but they decided to do that with Savage later on. He did not enjoy working as a face because it wasnt his style but he had to do it that way.

Orndorff did not like working with Piper, saying he was very limited in the ring. When asked if Hogan was difficult as a partner, Orndorff said he was a business man.

He thought Big John Studd was a great guy, which seems to be the consensus for most of the shoot interviews I have seen. They traveled to Japan together and he said that Brian Blair and himelf used to pull pranks with Studd.

When speaking about the politics in the locker room, Orndorff said there were a lot of sharks in the locker room. He said that he was not a good politician and Vince told him once that he was too honest. Orndorff said that he let his work do the talking. He also says that Piper played a lot of politics then too.

Now, he is asked about being upset as a face due to being behind Hogan. He said no, because he was drawing  alot of money.

Orndorff is asked about Dynamite Kid. He said that he went overboard with the ribs that he pulled and himself wasnt into hurting someone or destroying their stuff.

He said that Funk was in a league by himself but beat up his body too much. He adds that he will always find a way to work a match and that is why he is great.

Up next is WrestleMania 2 and if we was bothered about going from the main event to fcing Don Muraco. He liked Don but said that his style at the time wasnt good and that sometimes, they have to put you on the backburner.

When asked about Adrian Adonis, he said at the time, he wasnt going to work with him while he was wearing the dress. Looking back, he said that he would have done it but didnt care as he had enough money in the bank.

Orndorff then stresses the importance of good matches, saying that you need the money angle and the good match.

He calls the first WrestleMania and the Big Event show in Toronto as the highest poinrs of his career. He mentions how much the crowd hated him. He recalls that was the biggest check of his career.

Next, he is asked about Bobby Heenan. He loved him and says that always got lost driving from Newark and he ripped out the steering wheel on one occasion.

He said that he saw guys crack. One night, he worked with Hogan at the Nassau Coliseum then went to Chicago. They had a jet waiting for them and he left the arena in his robe and went to the show.

Orndorff said that he took pride in having good matches. He says that the crowd works hard for their money and want to be entertained. He mentions growing up in a trailer park and how that made him appreciate everything he had.

On his physique, Orndorff said at one time, he had 4% body fat. He said that when he traveled, he never ate the airplane food because it was terrible for you. He said that his body was his money and that he took care of it.

Orndorff admitted that he took steroids at one point. He said that he got them through a doctor and took only as prescribed.

When asked about the Iron Sheik and Jim Duggan getting caught with drugs, he said that it was really bad for business. He also said guys getting into bar fights also hurt things.

Orndorff is asked about getting buried when he turned face again in late 1987. He said he probably was but he was also really burned out at that time too.

He thought that Bret Hart was a good worker but a terrible interview. He also adds that Bret thinks he is bigger than he really is but also said that he saw something in him when they wrestled at the end of his WWF run.

Now, he is asked about the angle in which he fired Heenan and hired Oliver Humperdink. He said that it was good but didnt think it would draw a lot of money. He didnt think that he needed a manager.

On working with Rick Rude, he said that he was hurting badly at the time but kept working. He said Rude was one of his best friends and that he was a pallbearer at his funeral. They hunted together and Orndorff said that he talked to him the night before he passed. He said that Rude was the best heel at the end of the 1980’s.

He did not leave the WWF on good terms with Vince. Orndorff claims that others got into Vince’s ear that he was not really hurt. Orndorff said that he was prepared to retire at the time.

Now he is asked about an obituary report about him dying on steroids. Orndorff said he got a call about that at his bowling alley.

On how he wound up in WCW, Orndorff said that he was offered close to $500,000 by Jim Herd at one time but turned it dow, as  he was mentally and physically burned out .Looking back, Orndorff said it was a mistake turning that down.

When asked about comparing WCW locker room to the WWF, Orndorff said that WCW was second rate. He liked the Steiners and Sid Vicious but hated Luger, calling him a “puke” and a “sissy.” He thought that Sid had a lot of potential. Orndorff then adds that the fans are a lot smarter than what most wrestlers and promoters give them credit for and just being big or a freak is not going to sell if they do not have anything to go with that.

He is asked about smart fans hurting the business. Orndorff said that is does to a point but the promoters and wrestlers have gotten away from the basics and are delivering a product that is not believable. He talks about how it is an insult to the fans intelligence for someone to get right up after they fall from a balcony.

He is asked about being phased out of WCW. He said that he was banged up at the time. He went to UWF and worked for Herb Abrams. Orndorff said that he was a good guy but wild and wanted to hang with the wrestlers. He then says that he wished more promoters shared his enthusiasm for the product. He said he liked him and didnt blow him off like others did.

On how he wound up in Smoky Mountain, he said that someone called him up but he forgets who. He liked it there and enjoyed teaching Brian Lee. He calls Ronnie Garvin a solid worker and an okay guy. He also said that Brad Armstrong did good but was on the small side.

He went back to WCW when Bill Watts was in charge. He said that the company was different and they had non-wrestling people in charge who knew nothing at all about wrestling.

He puts over Cactus Jack, saying he could talk and work but says that he did not have any respect for his body and if he did, he could still be wrestlnig today. He loved working with him as he always went all out. He also said that he was a nice guy.

Orndorff is asked about teaming with Vader. He said that he had all the tools to be a star but that he wanted to be a “Mexican.” He is referring to his highspots. Orndorff said that he should have been the hottest heel in the country but his attitude got in the way. Feinstein said they will get to their altercation later in the interview.

Next, he is asked if the locker room was angry over Erik Watts being pushed. He said he wasnt personally mad then adds that he wasnt even pushed that hard. He also adds that he was not ready for the spot. He knew Erik when he was a little kid and wanted to help him out.

Back to the company, Orndorff said Watts could have turned it around but the office would not let him. He says that Vince would never run a company the way that WCW did, especially when it comes to guaranteed contracts. Orndorff said that guaranteed deals give guys no incentive to work.

He thought 2 Cold Scorpio could have been something and was really good in Japan. He hated the Goldust gimmick but said that Dustin Rhodes could work. He calls Ricky Steamboat a professional.

When asked about conflicts between other wrestlers and Bill Watts, Orndorff said there was but he did not care to get involved as it just brings you down.

When Jim Herd replaced Watts, Orndorff said that he did not know much about him but that he helped them during interviews.

Orndorff is asked about Eric Bischoff. He replies that if you cant say something good about someone, dont say anything at all. He did say that Bischoff valued his opinion then mentioned how he was unable to win the race against Vince McMahon. He said that he predicted that from day one and that it would never work because Bischoff listened to the boys.

He calls Steve Austin his friend and is glad that he went to the WWE . He then adds that he needs to stop cussing so much.

On the subject of Pretty Wonderful, he said there were plans for them at one point.

When Hogan came to WCW, he said that he was a help to the company but when he turned is when the company really took off. Orndorff also adds that Hogan should have turned heel in the WWF.

He said that Randy Savage was different but worked hard. He never hung around with him outside the ring so does not know if he was paranoid.

Orndorff said that Jimmy Hart came up with the Gary Spivey angle. He adds that Hart was very underrated and had a smart mind for the business. Orndorff said he doesnt let things fall through the cracks and wishes him well in XPW.

Next, is his fight with Vader. He said that Dave Penzer asked him to do interviews and he said no then after Vader declined a few more times, Kevin Sullivan went up to Orndorff and asked him if he would talk to Vader. Orndorff says that the crew was union and had fifteen minutes until their break so he apporached Vader and asked if he could do it then Vader swore at him and Orndorff said that they went back and forth then Vader sucker punched him. Orndorff said that he got up and defended himself and evetually knocked him down then started kicking him in the face. He said that they got into it again and Orndorff took a few more shots at him. When asked about the locker room reaction, he said that they loved it . Orndorff wasnt proud of it.

Orndorff now talks about how hard it is to be a good wrestler today. He adds that he can teach anyone to bump in three months but to become a good worker, you need between 3-5 years of wrestling constantly and without territories, it is hard to accomplish. He then talks about how wrestling is just about showbiz now and that it is filled with profanity and nudity. He then adds that people will get burned out on the product and believes the economy will play a factor in wrestling’s popularity declining.

When asked about if he was pressured to return to the ring, he said that they always asked him and brings up his last match in WCW, when he hurt himself giving a piledriver to Mark Jindrak. He said that his legs were supposed to be straight but that Jindrak’s legs were bent and he couldnt drop him down because he would drop straight on his head so he altered the hold and when he hit the mat, his right arm went numb. He basically broke his neck again, according to him, and mentions that it toes become numb after walking and that he has to visit a pain clinic on a regular basis.

He is asked how WCW changed when Kevin Nash and Scott Hall entered the company. He said that they liked to stir things up and were not his kind of guys.

He is asked about the issues between Ric Flair and Eric Bischoff. Orndorff calls it a feud between an egomaniac and a spoiled brat. When asked if there was something they could have done to solved the problem, he said fire both of them then laughed afterwards.

Orndorff is asked about Hogan and Billy Kidman. He said that he would never lay down for a “Beanpole” like Kidman, who couldnt draw flies. He thought it was horrible

On the subject of Goldberg’s rise, Orndorff said that he never saw someone get over as quickly as Goldberg. He then says that Goldberg shouldnt have jobbed to Nash and should have threatened to go to the WWF and feud with Austin. He said that it would have drawn a ton.

About the younger wrestlers showing respect, Orndorff said 95% of the guys were very respectful towards him. He says that you have a few guys who think they are something when they are not, hinting that Kidman was one of them, who show up to the airports looking like a slob and cannot get recognized, despite being pushed on TV.

He denied that Vince ever contacted him about an office position. He said that he liked to train and knows talent. Orndorff claims he can tell in five minutes if someone has talent.

When asked about how he got involved with the WCW Power Plant, Orndorff said he was approached about training then came up with the idea of the Power Plant by himself. He says it was the finest place in the world then states that Sean O’Haire, Chuck Palumbo, and Johnny the Bull will all become stars, as long as they are serious and do not cop attitudes.

Still on the Power Plant, Orndorff said that you could not just show up and get trained. He said only about 5% of the tapes he received got selected. He said he gave guys between 4-6 weeks to get train before they showed up. Orndorff said that he broke in and had to go with four guys in a row for five minutes straight the very first day.

He didnt have favorite students and said that the ones who made it were good. He tried to be fair and everyone had to do the routines every day then adds that they were getting paid to train

Orndorff said that Bischoff was not involved much at all in the Power Plant. When asked about Les Thatcher, he calls him an “ambulance chaser” and has no respect for him as he went on TV and told everyone how easy it is to wrestle.

He never thought Paul Wight (Big Show) would be anything as he has no heart. He calls him a “fat basketball player” and would never be as good as Andre the Giant.

On Vince Russo, Orndorff said that he was just about shock TV and that didnt work with Turner due to them being a family station.

He is asked about the “Old Age Outlaws” gimmick. Orndorff said that he got good crowd responses.

Orndorff said that he does not like women in the business, especially when they beat men. He also doesnt like fat women.

When asked who ruined WCW, Orndorff said that they were just about competing with the WWF and didnt pay attention to their own product. He said that they should have spent time focusing on their own product.

Orndorff liked to work with athletes but hated going against guy just coasting for a payday or the old-timers who wouldnt do anything. He said a fan can easily tell who is just going through the motion in the ring

He is asked how to change the business. Orndorff said to go back to basics. He then says that they need to go back to recruiting athletes.

Orndorff is asked to rate himself as a worker. He says that he was athletic, had a great body, and was a badass. He then tells Feinstein to look up his matches and say who was better than him.

On giving advice to younger wrestlers, Orndorff said you have to work constantly but the problem is that there are not many places to do that.

He talks about his surgeries and is fearful on what will happen with his next surgery

Orndorff hopes that some young guys can come up today and bring back wrestling to what it was in the 1980’s. He also says that Vince is smart and will turn things around.

He is asked about having any regrets. He said that he has a lot due to him basically being a jerk when he was wrestling . Today, he claims that he has mellowed out and enjoys spending time with his grandchildren.

He still keeps in touch with Curt Hennig, Rick Steiner, and Steve Austin but doesnt follows the current product.

When asked where he sees himself in ten years, he says that he now commits hmself to the lord. He says that he was not a nice guy back then. he no longer hates anyone either and sees himself working with kids. He seems sincere when discussing this issue.

Final Thoughts: This interview went on for way too long. They should have shaved off the last half hour or so as it just went nowhere. Feinstein’s questions near the end were redundant and he really had no idea to conduct an interview. He can only stick to his script of questions. Orndorff seemed like a straight shooter but he frequently stated how he didnt really hang around a lot of the guys in the locker room and mostly took care of himself yet Feinstein continued to ask him questions about that. Orndorff came off as bitter during the end but I have seen much worse from others in that regard. Also, he just might be his own biggest fan. He is also another wrestler that found the lord after admitting that he was a prick. I wouldnt really recommend this interview unless you are a diehard Orndorff fan.

Paul Heyman Question

Hey Scott,

Why was Paul Heyman fired from WCW? I'm watching some WCW from 1991 and 1992, he's gold as always, as a manager and as a commentator. It couldn't have been finances, no way he was making more money to jump to ECW at that point. Was this just another picture of WCW letting go of talent?
He was fired because Bill Watts hated his guts and refused to pay whatever amount of money for a manager, and basically wanted to bust him down to commentator's salary again.  Heyman tells the whole story in one of the famous ECW fanfest shoot interviews that he does, I think the one from Cyberslam 96 if I'm not mistaken.  Bill's side of it from his shoot interview is that he liked Paul but just hated working with him so damn much.  

I don't think Watts actually fired him if we're being totally technical about the whole thing, I think that he just busted his balls and moved him down the card until Heyman quit, but the gist is the same.  

Promo of the Day: Paul Orndorff interview, ‘Mean’ Gene cracks up

Okerlund’s deadpan reactions to Orndorff’s outrageous lies are almost as funny as the interview.  The straight man is really a lost art in promos these days because everyone has to be either totally useless (Josh Matthews etc.) or scripted to be as “witty” and cutesy as the wrestlers (Michael Cole, Lawler).

Steve Austin interview on the Paul Mecurio Show

Hi Scott,

As always, a huge fan of your blog and your work. I work for the Sideshow Network and one of our hosts, comedian Paul Mecurio, recently did a 2-part interview with Stone Cold Steve Austin. Here's the link to part 1:

Part 2 comes out next Monday.

If you could possibly promote it on

our blog of doom, I would greatly appreciated.


Austin is just all over the podcasts these days, innit he?