Guys who had two runs in WWF and WCW


I'm trying to come up a list of guys who had two separate runs in the WWF and two runs in WCW (counting the NWA too).

Meaning guys who jumped from promotion A to promotion B, then back to A, and finally back to B again.

So far I've come up with Bulldog, Jarrett, Sid, Flair, Rude, and Ricky Steamboat but I'm sure I'm missing a ton of guys who jumped around like that.

Do any others come to mind?


I'm totally blanking on other ones for some reason.  Waltman went WWF to WCW to WWF and probably would have jumped back if WCW hadn't died before he had a chance.  Jim Ross, I suppose, would count.  

These Two Friggin’ Guys~!

From the PPV earlier today. A rematch of Kazuchika Okada vs. Tetsuya Naito, the IWGP World Title match at Wrestle Kingdom earlier this year (the world’s biggest wrestling show not named Wrestlemania). The rematch here is even better, as they skip right past the feeling out process and Okada’s already drop kicking bitches off the top rope 3 minutes in. The post match is an incredible moment as well, with the crowd losing their fucking minds as if Elvis was in his prime or something. When broads start crying because you’ve touched them, you’re over. This was one for the ages, July 28th 2014~!

“The Rainmaker” Kazuchika Okada vs. “Stardust Genius” Tetsuya Naito (7/28/14)

Good guys gone bad – WWE Top 10

So this would be the YouTube channel version of the Network’s “Best Betrayals” show, with 2 drastic improvements:

1)  It’s much shorter.
2)  They actually get the order correct!

Of course, it’s still WWE-exclusive stuff, but consider the source.  A much better list, at any rate.

WWE Lists Top 50 Villains and Good Guys in Wrestling History

Source – Villains

Source – Good Guys

These might be old but it’s the first I’ve heard of them.


  1. Roddy Piper
  2. Ric Flair and the Four Horsemen
  3. Mr. McMahon
  4. Ted DiBiase
  5. Hollywood Hogan
  6. HHH
  7. Superstar Billy Graham
  8. Bobby Heenan
  9. Gorgeous George
  10. Jake Roberts
  11. Rick Rude
  12. JBL
  13. The Fabulous Freebirds
  14. The Original Sheik
  15. Chris Jericho
  16. Sherri Martel
  17. Mr. Perfect
  18. Killer Kowalski
  19. Jim Cornette
  20. Edge
  21. Freddie Blassie
  22. Undertaker
  23. Sgt. Slaughter
  24. Harley Race
  25. Vader
  26. Nick Bockwinkel
  27. Paul Orndorff
  28. Fabulous Moolah
  29. Raven
  30. Jerry Lawler
  31. Kevin Sullivan
  32. Randy Orton
  33. Terry Funk
  34. Abdullah the Butcher
  35. Paul Heyman
  36. Ivan Koloff
  37. Ernie Ladd
  38. CM Punk
  39. Dudley Boyz
  40. Don Muraco
  41. Kane
  42. Brock Lesnar
  43. Eddie Guerrero
  44. Eric Bischoff
  45. Andre the Giant
  46. Iron Sheik
  47. Mark Henry
  48. Vickie Guerrero
  49. Randy Savage
  50. Batista

Good guys:

  1. Bruno Sammartino
  2. Hulk Hogan
  3. Steve Austin
  4. John Cena
  5. Sting
  6. Bret Hart
  7. Dusty Rhodes
  8. The Rock
  9. Ricky Steamboat
  10. Rey Mysterio
  11. The Von Erichs
  12. Undertaker
  13. Junkyard Dog
  14. Rock and Roll Express
  15. Andre the Giant
  16. Jeff Hardy
  17. Ultimate Warrior
  18. Magnum TA
  19. Randy Savage
  20. Mankind
  21. Goldberg
  22. Jimmy Snuka
  23. The Crusher and the Bruiser
  24. Shawn Michaels
  25. Bobo Brazil
  26. Road Warriors
  27. Mil Mascaras
  28. Bob Backlund
  29. Jim Duggan
  30. Jack Brisco
  31. Chief Jay Strongbow
  32. Rob Van Dam
  33. Verne Gagne
  34. Tito Santana
  35. Jerry Lawler
  36. Mr. Wrestling II
  37. Antonino Rocca
  38. Eddie Guerrero
  39. Wahoo McDaniel
  40. Lex Luger
  41. Tommy Rich
  42. Ivan Putski
  43. Kofi Kingston
  44. Pedro Morales
  45. Tommy Dreamer
  46. Danny Hodge
  47. Trish Stratus
  48. Bob Armstrong
  49. Rocky Johnson
  50. Diamond Dallas Page

It’s hard to argue with either top five (although I could see Steamboat being a top five good guy ever.  Same with Mysterio), but some of the lower lists are bizarre.  For one thing, where are Jimmy Hart and Shawn Michaels as villains/ Also, Harley Race at #24 and freaking JBL at #12?  Ridiculous.  The top five villains are about as accurate as you’re going to get though.

Sorry Guys

Apologies for missing the last couple of RAW open thread posts and thanks for those who have picked up the slack.

Last week was no excuse, it was a date night and I forgot. Last night, however, I was actually typing my note when I got a call saying Mr. Princess and the heir to the Throne were in a car accident. Car was totaled but luckily Mr. Princess only had a broken arm and a couple of shards of glass lodged into his leg. The heir has some pretty nasty neck and back spasms and a broken rib.

Luckily they will be fine. Unfortunately the young couple that hit them aren’t doing as well. Neither were wearing their seat beats and both suffered some head trauma. I think the guy is still in ICU and the girl might have gotten moved out this morning but they were both in bad shape. So whenever you drive, please buckle up, it’s annoying I know, but it only takes a second and just think about the people that love you.

Tough guys

Hypothetical question/situation: Just out of curiosity……lets say – hypothetically speaking, you're in a barroom, or an alley (no weapons), or wherever Shawn Michaels was that night he got jumped by 9 thugs (allegedly). You are surrounded, and you fear for your safety/life. If you could choose 8 wrestlers in their prime (in the ENTIRE history of wrestling) that you would want on your side to win a fight, who would they be? 

This would be a perfect place to plug Jonathan Snowden's new book "Shooters: The Toughest Men In Pro Wrestling":
Although bar fighting is a totally different animal than a relatively controlled in ring fight.  You never know who can win if one guy is gonna kick te other one in the junk or bite his nose off.  Anyway, I'd go with a mostly old-school crew from back when getting beat up in the ring was a real possibility.  Lou Thesz, Ed Strangler Lewis, Frank Gotch.  Plus some guys who you ought not to mess with in a fight, like Ken Shamrock, Bruiser Brody, and Stan Hansen.  Can I have Anderson Silva too for fun?  .  

Pushing Guys First/Title Second Trend isn’t helping wrestling

Hello Mr. Keith Again.  Always love the feedback you give on certain topics, so I'd like to ask another among the topics that is hot on your site, Titles.
I think the majority of fans, at least on the internet, agree with you that the Titles are basically props these days are are beyond devalued.  I hope they can be salvaged but I don't see that happening anytime soon, and honestly don't know how they would be able to anyway.  I do however, see one point that really pushed them as being meaningless, and that is the trend of "Give him the title, see if it works and/or push him regardless", as opposed to "Push him, see how he & the crowd responds, then give him the title".   I want to say this really kicked off with Orton's first Title win over Benoit, as I did not even consider him anything above IC Champ at the time.  Whether that was the the start or it may have even happened many times before, but since that particular win, WWE really has me wondering why give Wrestler X the title already? I think fair examples are Orton, Sheamus, Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger & Great Khali.  I may have seen some appeal to them at the time of their first title wins, and some crowd reaction, but never once did I think they should be considered a Main Event Champion, let alone headlining any PPV where they are defending the belt around the time they first got it.

Any thoughts?  I know you have mentioned Orton's first win aswell, and I almost want the throw The Miz in there, but I kinda got it, too bad it didn't last the way it could have though.

Given they have no long term planning these days, that particular genie probably isn't going back into the bottle any time soon.  I think that in a lot of ways now the issue is that they don't pull the trigger on guys QUICKLY enough, because people seemingly over stay over for a short window now and you need to get the belt on them while you can.  Del Rio was the perfect example of that, because he was very over in 2010 and was naturally leading up to a win over Edge at Wrestlemania, and they delayed his ascension to the main event to Summerslam and killed his potential to be a money drawing heel in the process.  Plus the titles are worthless anyway, so building these guys up for a chase isn't going to lead to a payoff that's worthwhile anyway.  

Follow-up discussion about WWE guys to TNA and vice-versa

Hey, Scott. Since I didn't really agree with the premise of the e-mail about sending someone from WWE to TNA and vice-versa, I'd like to ask you this two-part version of it:
1. What TNA guy(s) who haven't previously been in WWE do you think could realistically make it big in WWE? And by "realistically," I mean no "If they let them be who they are and not ruin them!" smarky nonsense. I mean someone WWE would A) be interested in and B)who would work well in the WWE system and flourish there? I know the typical answer to this one from smarks might be a muscle freak like Crimson or Magnus, but they know they can create their own monsters. I think Bobby Roode is the best call here.

They definitely want Roode.  I think either he or Storm is the best bet for the future, although Storm might be limited by his image as a southern ass-kicker.  

2. What WWE guy(s) do you think could be a boon to TNA's business in the fairly near future (say, in the next year or two)? Again: realistically, since we all know Cena, Taker or HHH ain't walking into the Impact Zone. This one's harder to me, since guys like Miz or Ziggler are the caliber of stars we've seen make that move (think Christian, Mr. Anderson/Kennedy, Booker T) but they haven't really moved the needle considerably in terms of drawing a bigger audience. So this one's tougher. One could say it's conceivable that a guy like Punk could end up there if big stars like Angle or Hardy did, but there were extenuating circumstances to those guys leaving WWE that Punk almost certainly wouldn't face. Since he's not a product of the WWE system and brainwashed to think it's the only place he can work like so many others, I could envision Daniel Bryan going to an easier schedule in TNA that allows him to do other things he wants (MMA training, music). And I could also see that moving said needle.

I don't know about the whole "moving the needle" thing, because it's more that they're going to need a solid year of good product rather than just one person coming in and turning things around. I think TNA would be better off poaching someone from WWE's developmental or a high-level indy guy and developing them themselves, much like they did with Beer Money or Chris Harris.  Harris, by the way, fucked up bigtime and should have stayed, I think we can safely say.  Anyway, I think if Ohno/Cesaro/Rollins flame out in the WWE-lite circuit, they would be the best bet, because they have some major league experience without all the WWE baggage.