123 Kid….finishers


Been watching the early Raws with you and it appears to me that they never gave the 123-Kid an actual finisher. In the RAW video game, it's a moonsault, but he doesn't finish a match with that on TV any times outside of the original Razor match that I can remember.


My question, could the 123 Kid heel turn have gone over better if he had a true "one-strike" finisher? Also, shouldn't he have just changed his name to "The Million Dollar Kid"?

Well, I mean, clearly they had no plans for the Kid as a serious guy and we all know the deal with why he even got pushed where he did.  They should have done a LOT of things with Evil Kid and just never did, much like Tatanka.  Although according to Titan Sinking, the Tatanka deal was that he himself did not want to change his gimmick, which makes him the giant idiot and not Vince.  
Anyway, Kid's finisher was frequently a leg lariat or spinkick variation, which was fine.  I was never a fan of the carpet muncher as a serious finish, but at least it was something that got over once he was Syxx/XPac.  

Heels with submission finishers

Hey Scott,

After watching Alexander Rusev for a few weeks, I have to wonder, just WHY does WWE bring heels in with nothing but a submission finisher? Clearly, in Rusev's case, they are high on the guy, but he is destined to crash hard.. You can only make Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods tap so many weeks in a row before you have to give him an actual program with an upper Mid Card face. If there's one Rule in the WWE since the beginning of time is that Upper Tier Babyfaces are protected, and don't tap. Knowing this, you can already see the ceiling for the guy. He will graduate to beating up Dolph Ziggler and then his character will stagnate because he wont ever be allowed to make a Upper tier babyface tap, and he will get shuffled down into the Lower mid card because "he couldn't get over". This is pretty much the same thing that happened to Alberto Del Rio, another promising guy with the curse of being a heel with a submission finisher. I cant think of more off the top of my head, but that's kind of the point! These guys start out impressive then They get shuffled down after not being allowed to crack the upper babyfaces on the roster.
Maybe a better question would be, why does a 320 pound freak athlete with a lot of strength not have an awesome Finisher?
What do you think?

​We clearly already know his ceiling because Lana is the one who's going to get the big star push of the deal, but I do appreciate them at least trying new people in the midcard.  Even if it fails, you can't say they haven't at least tried with him.  I do think that some sort of slam, like the spinning one he does to set up the camel clutch, would be a better option for a finish.  They could also go with the original Brock Lesnar ref-stoppage finishes, where he just wants to beat on the guy until the ref has to step in, although again that has a limited shelf life on it.  ​

Weak finishers?

Upon reading your comments about Dolph Ziggler in the "killing finishers" topic, it got me to thinking that he's really a guy who would benefit from having a better finishing move. The Zig Zag is fine, but it often looks sloppy and just seems like it's a move that lends itself so well visually to missing, that Dolph almost goes into his matches with the intention of not connecting with it. There seems to always be that one spot in a Dolph match where he'll try for the Zig Zag, his opponent will grab the rope to casually block, and Ziggler will crash backwards to the mat like a doofus. I'm no expert, but consistently building to spots where you whiff on your signature move doesn't seem like the best way to get over (although he certainly managed to, in spite of it).

I remember listening to a Big Show interview a while back where he said that there were a number of people backstage who were campaigning for Ziggler to get the superkick as his finisher. I can't help but think that a move like that would have fit him like a glove and done wonders for his credibility. Thoughts?

And another question: can you think of any potential cusp guys who could have had better runs with a solid finisher? Shelton Benjamin immediately comes to mind, but I'm sure that there are a ton out there.

​I still think that the Stone Cold Stunner should be fair game.  Dude's been retired for ELEVEN YEARS.  There are people who didn't even start watching wrestling until after he was gone!  Someone needs to bring that shit back.
​Anyway, around the time when Austin left, they starting bringing in all these guys who would drive me fucking bugshit because they'd all do the same stupid neckbreaker variations like a bunch of indy geeks.  The worst offenders were Shelton Benjamin as a singles guy, and MVP.  It was like watching two people trying to have tantric sex and falling over, instead of a finishing move that would hurt.  Once MVP switched to a Yakuza kick it was much better.  Too late for him by then, sadly.  Mark Henry also needed a better one, as the World's Strongest Slam just didn't look effective.  Unfortunately a lot of the guys now are limited by their "no brain-trauma-inducing" policies (bunch of wimps…) so there's no more Razor's Edge or piledriver or hitting guys in the head with unprotected chairshots repeatedly.  WE MIGHT AS WELL BE DOING BALLET.
 

The Idea of Killing Finishers

This topic was inspired by recent discussion about Kurt Angle and his "formula" of matches during the later half of his WWE run.  

A phrase we like to throw around pretty haphazardly is "killing someone's finisher," and I honestly feel like its a bit overused.  I'm curious if you could rattle off some famous/modern examples of people's careers that were never the same after a specific match where one wrestler kicked out of another's finisher (perhaps multiple times, even).  

Also, for fun, what are the most protected finishers in Wrestling history?  Daniel Bryan's "Knee Plus" (have they called it that on TV yet?) is the most protected move I can think of when it comes to the current main roster.

​HHH's pedigree is obviously the most protected, followed closely by Orton's punt.  Typically the main event guys can kick out of each other's finishes with impunity and it's no big deal, but the finisher killing is more of a concern in the midcard.  ​If, say, Dolph Ziggler only has the Zig Zag as a big finish and guys start kicking out of it, that doesn't leave him with much.  Like, for example, Miz beat a couple of guys with the figure-four, and then it stopped working and now it's nothing more than a quick submission attempt and a chance for fans to go "woo".  John Cena has kicked out of a ton of finishes, but on the flipside when he DIDN'T kick out of the flying knee it was suddenly a meaningful finish.  
That being said, it's incredibly easy to rehab a finisher:  Just book the guy to beat some people with it and it'll get over.   The Brogue Kick was a transition move that became a deadly finisher, and ditto for the Bullhammer elbow.  It's not rocket surgery.  

Good workers, lame finishers

As a follow up to the finishers post- what about good workers that have lame finishers?  This doesn't apply to stiffs that are limited with their abilities.   For example – Kurt Angle was an awesome worker and the best he has is an angle slam (looks like a transition move) and an ankle lock (effective in a legit fight but not exactly visually stunning). Or HBK with all of his ability uses a finisher where he kicks someone in the face?  

Would be interesting to hear thought on this or if there and any other obvious examples.

Wait, what?  The anklelock isn't completely BADASS?   In what universe?  

I always thought Ricky Steamboat needed a better finish than the bodypress.  Jericho's codebreaker was a MAJOR improvement over the Walls of Jericho and IMO was one of the things that allowed him to become a legit main event guy late in his career.  I still think Punk needs something better than the GTS, like something more quick and impactful.  Maybe he should switch to the high kick full-time or something, I dunno.  

Moves that should be finishers but aren’t

Hi Scott,


Watching the Kofi/Cesaro match from RAW, it reinforced my belief that Cesaro's European uppercut should be enough to put an opponent away, especially when he does it while diving at his opponent or while the opponent is coming at him, either from the turnbuckle or when Cesaro launches him into the air and then catches him as he comes back down.

Can you think of any moves (current or from days gone by) that by all rights were believable as finishers (both in terms of impact and visual presentation)  but aren't?  I think Cesaro's Eurpean uppercut is a perfect example of something that fits both criteria, since he delivers it with believable "oomph" while it at the same time is visually stunning and can come from out of nowhere.

Ooh, intriguing one.  Although in "yesteryear" guys would beat jobbers with all sorts of crazy shit just for fun, so generally any wacky move you can name has been a finisher at some point.  

Off the top of my head, Haku's thrust kick always should have been, although it kind of developed into one in the later stages of the King Haku gimmick, but it didn't have the same impact as he did when he was with the Islanders. I always thought that the Edge-O-Matic could have had potential as a finisher.  Goldberg had a bunch of random cool stuff he used to do, like the press slam into the snap powerslam, which was honesty kind of wasted when everyone only wanted the spear and jackhammer anyway.  Scott Steiner's Screwdriver is basically the most awesomest finisher ever invented but he did it so infrequently (due to, you know, not wanting to maim his opponent) that it's hard to think it could have lasted as a true finisher.  
But you're right though, that uppercut is really something else, and if Cesaro ever gets to win another match I hope he uses it as a finish.  

The Only Review Of WWE’s Top 50 Finishers DVD That You’ll Ever Need

I love releases like this.
I know some people think they’re stupid, but there are few things I dig more
than a wrestling documentary. I pop something like this on and time flies by. Having
said that, this documentary is a great one. If you read my reviews, you know
that I don’t really review the documentary, but I talk about my own personal
experiences regarding the subject. 

The Razor’s Edge. That was the first finisher I
ever fell in love with. It was my go-to when people would say wrestling was
fake. “What? Fake? No way. You COULD NOT fake The Razor’s Edge! That would
hurt!” Beyond that, one of the joys when you’re a kid and a wrestling fan
is when you and your friends or brothers try the moves on each other. I have
countless memories of us watching our tapes and pausing them to figure out how
to get the Sharpshooter right. Then, when you’d lock it in, the recipient would
scream and tap out, but you’d always hold it a bit longer just because of how
cool you felt. I’ve been put in them all, and I can say without a doubt that
the Ankle Lock hurts the most. When I first had it put on me, I ripped the door
off a cabinet as I was thrashing about. I grew up with friends who were all
athletes, including a few wrestlers. Well, as friends do, there are always a
few bouts of wrestling. One of them was ranked here in Washington in wrestling,
and was so mad that I made him tap out he got directly up and punched me in the
face. Good times. 

The King of all Finishers, for me at least, was
the Stone Cold Stunner/Diamond Cutter. I was absolutely obsessed with this move
growing up and would constantly try to put people in the move. I tell you, it’s
really not a move that’s very effective unless you catch someone off balance,
then you can dish out some pain. 

I’ve broken three beds in my life time due to
wrestling moves. The first one was due to me powerbombing my brother on it too
much. The second was because my friend told me it was OK if I gave his bed a 5
Star Frog Splash. He was pretty mad afterwards that his bed lost that fight.
The third was the result of a Macho elbow. Of course, that was a bed that
belonged to my friend and he swore up and down that it was a tank, and wouldn’t
break. Pssh. 

I do have a few beefs with the listing. First off,
where’s The Scorpion Death Drop? Back in the day, that move was DEATH. If Sting
hit someone with that, it was game over, and you could get a 30 count if you so
desired. I also thought it was stupid that his Scorpion Death Lock and
Sharpshooter were both on the list. It’s the same exact move. I was really
pissed to see the Diamond Cutter so far down the list. That move was over on its
own. There are countless YouTube videos you can find that are compilations of
all the awesome ways DDP hit the Cutter. It was always cool to see how DDP
would catch the guy this week.
Before we get to disc 2, here’s the list:50. JBL – Clothesline
49. Vader – Vader Bomb
48. Dusty Rhodes – Bionic Elbow
47. Million Dollar Man – Million Dollar Dream
46. Kerry Von Erich – Iron Claw
45. Ravishing Rick Rude – Rude Awakening
44. Lex Luger – Torture Rack
43. Dudley Boyz – 3-D
42. Bam Bam Bigelow – Moonsault
41. DDP – Diamond Cutter
40. Mankind – Mandible Claw / Socko
39. Honky Tonk Man – Shake Rattle and Roll
38. Yokozuna – Bonzai Drop
37. Flash Funk – 450 Splash
36. Sting – Scorpion Lock
35. Lita – Moonsault
34. Kevin Nash – Jack-knife
33. Jerry The King Lawler – Piledriver
32. RVD – Five-Star Frog Splash
31. Big Show – Chokeslam
30. CM Punk – GTS
29. Brock Lesnar – F-5
28. Bob Backlund – Chicken Wing
27. Batista – Batista Bomb
26. Mr. Perfect – Perfect Plex
25. Kurt Angle – Ankle Lock
24. Chris Jericho – Lion Tamer / Walls of Jericho
23. Edge – Spear
22. Iron Sheik – Camel Clutch
21. John Cena – Attitude Adjustment
20. Scott Hall – Razors Edge
19. Goldberg – Jackhammer
18. Rey Mysterio – 6-1-9
17. Road Warriors – Doomsday Device
16. Bruno Sammartino – Bearhug
15. Sgt. Slaughter – Cobra Clutch
14. Jeff Hardy – Swanton Bomb
13. Eddie Guerrero – Frog Splash
12. Macho Man Randy Savage – Elbow off Top Rope
11. Randy Orton – RKO
10. Bret Hitman Hart – Sharpshooter
9. Jimmy Superfly Snuka – Superfly Splash
8. Nature Boy Ric Flair – Figure Four Leg Lock
7. Hulk Hogan – Leg Drop
6. Shawn Michaels – Sweet Chin Music
5. Jake The Snake Roberts – DDT
4. The Rock – Rock Bottom / Peoples Elbow
3. Triple H – Pedigree
2. Undertaker – Tombstone Piledriver
1. Stone Cold Steve Austin – Stunner

 SGT Slaughter demos the Cobra Clutch. 
As a kid, I always thought it was weird that a G.I.
Joe had his move named after Cobra. I also thought the people who drew
Slaughter’s character in the World of G.I. Joe were rather generous. The
person that Slaughter is demonstrating the move on is apparently named Tony
Anthony. Or Tony Tony. As Slaughter details the move, he clearly shows
how the Clutch and The Million Dollar Dream are the exact same thing. Slaughter
of course won’t let up when the kid starts to tap. This was much better
than a match, I’ll say that much.

Rick Rude vs Jack Roberts – DDT vs. Rude Awakening
Match – Madison Square Garden – October 24, 1988

Rude does deserve his own 2-disc set. He had a
perfect gimmick. I miss the old-school MSG entrance of the face. It always
started some ways back behind the curtain. Cheryl Roberts is actually
pretty attractive, looking like Tawny Kitaen’s sister. Funny moment when Rick
Rude is in a wrist lick, we get a nice shot of his back, which looks
like all the stars in the sky because of his steroid use. Some guys get
side-effects worse than others. Later, when Rude has Roberts in a
sleeper, Jake digs his nails into Rude’s back and digs downward. I imagine Jake
was digging puss out of his fingernails for weeks. A decent match that’s
nothing extraordinary, and just about what you’d expect.
Jake hits the DDT for the pin at 13:02 | ***

Mr. Perfect [C] vs. Kerry Von Erich –
Intercontinental Championship – Dayton, OH – January 13th, 1991

I understand putting this match in here, since
they’re both on the countdown, but c’mon. Mr. Perfect is one of the best sellers
of all time. I mean, it’s almost Shawn Michaels-esque in its goofiness, but
it’s Perfect. Oh snaps! We’re about to see a Perfectplex! However, Kerry
kicks out. Earlier, he had Perfect up against the pole outside, and went for
the Tornado Punch. Perfect ducked, and Von Erich decked the post, which would
shatter the absolute shit out of his hand and hurt like hell. Then again, that
would defeat the purpose of putting somas on your cereal, wouldn’t it? We end up getting a DQ, and I’m not sure why. I
think it’s because Kerry had Perfect in the dumbest move ever, The Carrey Claw,
and Perfect pulled the ref into the both of them. Match was alright for
what it was. I still feel bad for Kerry. 
Ref calls for the DQ at 8:30 | **1/2

Bob Backlund vs. Bret Hart [C} – WWE Championship
– Superstars – July 30th, 1994

Honestly, the crazy Backlund deal is pretty
ingenious. Being that I’ve never seen a Backlund match, he’s one hell of a
wrestler. Tons of really interesting near-falls at the beginning, as
Backlund shows this won’t be easy. I’ve never really seen a match like this.
It’s probably the most technically-sound bout I’ve ever seen, it’s
fantastic. I mean, wow. If you haven’t seen it, you really need to. Especially
since Backlund was the most white bread babyface of all time. I’d like
to see the whole angle on a DVD. Really interesting match, that’s the best way
to explain it. You have to love how at the end, Backlund just snaps. I
can only imagine how crazy this was to older fans watching at the time. Since I
only started watching in 1995, I only know the crazy, head-shaved, suit-wearing
antiquated-term-using Backlund. 
Bret Hits an inside cradle for the pin at 14:27 |
****

Hall & Nash [C] vs. The Giant – WCW Tag-Team
Championship – Superbrawl, February 23rd, 1997

Dusty of course is already in the throes of
brilliance. Hall & Syxx are wearing shirts that say ‘Aztecas’ and Dusty
says “You see what their shirts say, ‘Alcatraz’….does that say
Alcatraz?” “No, it doesn’t” “Ah…I was just testing you!
Ya’ll was looking over there!” Man, Dusty is awesome on commentary. Man alive, it’s absolutely
night and day between Big Show of late 90s, and today. He’s doing dropkicks,
moving quickly, it’s incredible. Nice botch where The Giant is hanging on the
middle rope and Syxx does a spin kick towards his head, but misses it by a
mile. Thankfully, Tony doesn’t try and convince us of The Giant’s second,
invisible head that rests behind his first, visible head. Soon after, Nash hits
the powerbomb and it’s damn impressive looking. Luger shows up, in
street clothes and cast. He tags in to rack Nash, and win himself and The Giant
the belts. Of course, the next night on Nitro, they had to give the
belts back due to Luger not being cleared. See, this is a perfect example of
everything that did and didn’t work with the nWo. This match is fine, I enjoyed
it. There were no slow spots, the drama was there, and you were wondering if
The Giant could take both of ’em. Then at the last minute, Luger shows
up to make the save for the good-guys. But then, it’s all reversed, like
nothing happened. Once? Sure, that’s acceptable, but this is the SECOND
time in two months they pulled some BS like this. Still, for just the match,
it’s fun. 
Luger racks Nash for the win at 9:04 | ***

Mankind vs. Jerry “The King” Lawler – King of the
Ring – June 8th, 1997

It’s a shame the match-up from later, HHH vs.
Mankind isn’t on here. That’s one hell of a match. Another shame is that kids
these days just see the kindly, smiling King, because he really was a
fantastic heel in the 90s. One of the best cowardly heels ever, that’s for
sure. As for the match, this just never picked up. Lawler just beat the
hell out of Mick for the entire match before he fell to the claw. 
Mick clamps the claw on Lawler for the win at
10:28 | **

RVD vs. 2 Cold Scorpio – Living Dangerously –
March 1st, 1998

I’m still unsure if RVD calls himself that because
of how much he looks like JCVD. The crowd is being pretty merciless, giving out
“this match sucks” and “boring” chants, during the
first 10 minutes. The match starts to pick back up, as Scorpio brings an innovative
display to his offense. He does one move that I’ve never seen before. Rob is
laying in the ring, Scorp goes out, looks like he’s about to do the Eddie
ploncha, but instead does a full 360 splash after whipping himself into
the ring. Incredible. I really wish I could say that the match continued
upward, but Scorp and RVD just have no chemistry. There’s a ton of botches, a
lot of stumbling and no real flow. I’ve seen a hell of a lot worse, but
I just expected so much more. 
RVD hits a roll up at 27:10 | **3/4

Ric Flair [C] vs. DDP vs. Hulk Hogan vs. Sting w/
special guest ref Macho Man – WCW Championship – Spring Stampede – April 11th,
1999

Geez, look at all that star power in there. This
is basically their version of the 6 man HiAC from 2000. After the match gets
going, Hogan is taken to the back because of a knee injury. I HATE stuff
like that, because isn’t that the point? Isn’t said wrestler trying to hurt another
said wrestler in order to make him submit? Moving along. Awesome moment
where Flair has Sting in a sleeper, then DDP had Flair in a sleeper, as Sting
drops down, causing a double jaw-breaker, getting Macho so excited that he does
a spinning finger-twirl. Seriously, I can’t see any reason for Macho Man to not
always be the champion of any company he was working for. For no reason at all,
he drops an elbow on Flair while he had Sting in the figure-four. No
complaints. A lot of people complained about DDP winning the match, but
I don’t see the big deal. DDP works his ass off, has great matches and feuds
with everyone, and I think he deserved it. Of course, if there was ever
a time for him, it was probably in 1997 or so, but hindsight is 20/20. In the
end though, this match was clunky, and really didn’t pick up until the
end. The Hogan thing is still a mystery. 
DDP hits Flair with the Diamond Cutter for the pin
and the title  at 17:27 | ***

DISC 3

Chris Jericho & The Rock vs. Stone Cold &
Kurt Angle – Smackdown – November 15th, 2001

I think it’s no surprise when I say this is a hell
of a match. Angle and Stone Cold make for a great team, as they cut the ring in
half and keep Jericho constantly in need of a tag, doing their absolute
best to keep him from getting it. Would have been nice to get a real finish out
of this, but since it was Survivor Series in a few days, Alliance vs.
WWE, that wasn’t going to happen. I will say, however, it’s one hell of an
ending. Taker comes out to prevent Angle and Stone Cold from killing
Rocky, then Angle takes out Taker, Booker shows up, Jericho gives him the
Lionsault, only for RVD to show up and deliver a 5 star to Jericho,
which then allows Kane to arrive and chokeslam RVD, as Shane flies out of nowhere
and hits Kane with a chair, giving The Big Show a chance to get into the
ring and punch said chair into Shane’s face, allowing Kurt to give Show the
Angle Slam, which distracts him long enough to have Rock give him the
Rock Bottom just before Stone Cold drops him with a Stunner. 
Match never really ends, as Stone Cold throws the
ref out and everyone runs in. About 10 minutes | ***3/4


Brock Lesnar & Eddie Guerrero vs. Bubba Ray
& RVD – Monday Night Raw – June, 3rd, 2002

Lesnar is a beast, plain and simple. He’s the type
of guy who should never be a face. Speaking of face, around the middle of the
match, Bubba aims to put a table in the ring, but Eddie baseball slides
it right into his grill. The match doesn’t go for long, but what we do get is
hard-hitting and fast, a perfectly fine addition to the set. Proof again
why Lesnar became champion so damn fast. 
Eddie hits the Frogsplash on RVD for the pin at
9:00 | ***

Chris Jericho & Christian vs. Jeff Hardy &
Shawn Michaels – No-DQ – Monday Night Raw – February 17th, 2003

As Jeff comes down to the ring, JR says he’s tried
to get into Jeff’s head, but was never successful. Dixie Carter succeeded where
Jim Ross could not. Great spot where Jeff does his rail run and Jericho catches
him mid-air and turns it into a powerslam. Soon, they handcuff Shawn to the
bottom rope and proceed to annoy me by then beating on Jeff in the ring one
at a time while the other stands on the apron. It’s no DQ, c’mon, quit bein’ a
couple of fair bears! Eventually, Shawn gets the key and unlocks himself, but
waits at the ropes for Jeff to tag him. I know it’s petty, but things
like that annoy me. Really, this was more about progressing the storyline with
Jericho and HBK at the time, it didn’t need to be on this DVD
Jeff hits the Swanton & pins Jericho at 6:20 |
**

Triple H, Ric Flair, and Randy Orton vs. The
Dudley Boyz & Spike – Monday Night Raw – July 14th, 2003
Spike is the first to go after an RKO. A little
later, Randy goes up for a 3D, and before he goes down he’s shaking his head no
while he screams it. I thought that was a nice touch. Hunter hits D-Von with a flag,
then places Randy on top of him for the pin. After a little while, Triple H
hits the Pedigree on Bubba, allowing Randy to get the pin once more. I’ll assume
this went down as some sort of punishment for misconduct backstage. The Dudleyz
probably brought their wives/girlfriends around, Randy made extreme sexual
advances towards them and the Dudleyz were yelled at for bringing their
wives/girlfriends backstage. An alright match, nothing special. 
Randy gets the pin after HHH hits the Pedigree on
Bubba at 11:38 | **



Trish Status [C] vs. Lita – Women’s Championship –
Monday Night Raw – December 6th, 2004

I’ve never seen this match, so I’m looking forward
to it. Pretty nasty landing for Lita when she does a suicide dive to the
outside towards Trish. She lands mostly on her face, and flips forward.
Gnarly. Is there anything hotter than heel Trish? It’s rhetorical, there isn’t.
A shame this match didn’t get another 5 minutes or so, because it’s great, and
was really picking up a good amount of steam near the end. I think some
more near-falls, and Lita really struggling to put Trish down would have helped
the match out a lot. However, what we get is still damn good stuff, and
places it as one of the best women’s matches I’ve seen. 
Lita hits the moonsault, nabbing the pin & the
title at 7:12 | ***

Randy Orton vs. HBK vs. JBL vs. Randy Orton –
Monday Night Raw – December 29th, 2008

Match gets off to a great start, especially when
it’s Jericho and HBK. Great series of moves as JBL attempts the Clothesline,
Jericho ducks it, hits the Codebreaker, goes to pin but Shawn makes the save.
Jericho puts JBL in the Walls, unknowing that Shawn got a tag, as he Superkicks
Chris right in the face and scores the pin. Randy is soon put down with Sweet
Chin Music as well. Now that Shawn and JBL are left, Bradshaw demands that
Shawn lay down for him. The angle with JBL hiring Shawn was great, it’s
just too bad that Bradshaw was God-awful in the ring, and that not even Shawn
Michaels could have a decent, non-hardcore match with him. Pretty awesome
ending with Shawn not being able to lay down for him, so he asks to be knocked
out. Again, great angle, terrible payoff. This match was fine, nothing
too spectacular, and would have probably been something great if it were on
PPV. 
JBL pins Shawn after the Clothesline From Hell at
18:04 | ***1/4

Undertaker [C] vs. Batista vs. Rey Mysterio vs. CM
Punk – World Heavyweight Championship – Bragging Rights – October 25th, 2009

It’s funny, every time Taker goes to slap on Hells
Gate, it’s like he doesn’t know how. Punk is like a scavenger in this match.
He’s constantly breaking up pins, and then running in to take other
people’s pin attempts, it’s great. I’ll say this, main events like this annoy
me. Well, I should say the time limits do. I understand that Taker is limited,
but there are three other guys in there who can go, so they should be allowed
to. It’s for a major title, with FOUR guys, it shouldn’t be lasting only 10
minutes. 
It’s an OK match, and I understand its inclusion.
Unfortunately, the match doesn’t have the awesome interview afterward where
Batista calmly says to Rey “I’m gonna rip your head off”
Undertaker hits the Tombstone on Batista at 9:55 |
**3/4


Sheamus [C] vs. John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs.
Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Wade Barrett – WWE Championship – Six Pack Challenge
– Night of Champions – September 9th, 2010

Jericho is eliminated first rather quickly after
an RKO. Bummer. For some reason, the entire match shuts down over this. All the
wrestlers watch him walk to the back. It literally takes about three minutes of
the match to watch Jericho walk to the back. Did I miss something? Was
there a stipulation that the first person eliminated is killed with a pair of
nail clippers or something? Edge is second to be eliminated after he receives
an AA, with Cena soon following after Barrett hits a Wasteland. Nexus comes
down to help him out, but they can’t keep him from eating an RKO followed up by
a pin. Sheamus and Orton battle it out for a minute, but Orton gets the
RKO. They don’t do a lot of matches like this because they’re hard to pull off,
but with this much talent, it wasn’t a problem. Great match
Sheamus eats an RKO, a pin, and loses his title to
Orton at 21:23 | ****


Showcase Showdown: The documentary portion is
great. I know some people don’t care about watching these sorts of list
programs, but I love the hell out of ’em. They’re great to have on while I’m
working, or going to bed. The match selection is interesting, with some awesome
choices, but also leaves you wanting more. Some choices are only put in because
it’s two guys or more from the list fighting it out. However, with gems like
Bret vs. Backlund from Superstars, and Jericho and Rock vs. Stone Cold &
Angle, I’d say this set is definitely worth it. Honestly, if you wait another
month or two, you can cop it at Walmart for a cool $10. Worth it. 4 Head-Butts
out of 5.

For those curious, here’s what’s available on the blu-ray:
Triple H & Undertaker vs. Big Show & Edge
SmackDown – 6th February, 2009

Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy & The Great Khali vs. Edge, Dolph Ziggler & Chris Jericho
Raw – 22nd June, 2009

No Disqualification, 6-Man Tag Team Match
Mr. McMahon & D-Generation X (Shawn Michaels & Triple H) vs. Randy Orton & Legacy (Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase)
Raw – 24th August, 2009

Traditional Survivor Series Elimination Match
Team Mysterio (Rey Mysterio, Big Show, Chris Masters, Kofi Kingston, & MVP) vs. Team Alberto (Alberto
Del Rio, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger, Drew McIntyre, & Tyler Reks)
Survivor Series – 21st November, 2010

John Cena & Rey Mysterio vs. CM Punk & R-Truth
With Special Guest Referee Bret “Hitman” Hart
Raw – 23rd May, 2011

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Resurrecting Finishers

Hey Scott,
Curious which finishing moves from the past no longer used in WWE/TNA would you want pulled out of the mothballs. Personally I always like the Buff Blockbuster, though not the wrestler. Jerry Lynn's cradle pile driver was also pretty cool but that one surely would be reappearing in WWE any time soon.

STONE COLD STUNNER, DAMMIT.

WWE Top 50 Greatest Finishers DVD Listing

I may have posted this before but I can’t remember.

Source

– WWE is releasing the The 50 Greatest Finishing Moves in WWE History DVD & Blu-ray on August 21st. Here is the listing for the set…

DISC ONE:

50. JBL – Clothesline
49. Vader – Vader Bomb
48. Dusty Rhodes – Bionic Elbow
47. Million Dollar Man – Million Dollar Dream
46. Kerry Von Erich – Iron Claw
45. Ravishing Rick Rude – Rude Awakening
44. Lex Luger – Torture Rack
43. Dudley Boyz – 3-D
42. Bam Bam Bigelow – Moonsault
41. DDP – Diamond Cutter
40. Mankind – Mandible Claw / Socko
39. Honky Tonk Man – Shake Rattle and Roll
38. Yokozuna – Bonzai Drop
37. Flash Funk – 450 Splash
36. Sting – Scorpion Lock
35. Lita – Moonsault
34. Kevin Nash – Jack-knife
33. Jerry The King Lawler – Piledriver
32. RVD – Five-Star Frog Splash
31. Big Show – Chokeslam
30. CM Punk – GTS
29. Brock Lesnar – F-5
28. Bob Backlund – Chicken Wing
27. Batista – Batista Bomb
26. Mr. Perfect – Perfect Plex
25. Kurt Angle – Ankle Lock
24. Chris Jericho – Lion Tamer / Walls of Jericho
23. Edge – Spear
22. Iron Sheik – Camel Clutch
21. John Cena – Attitude Adjustment
20. Scott Hall – Razors Edge
19. Goldberg – Jackhammer
18. Rey Mysterio – 6-1-9
17. Road Warriors – Doomsday Device
16. Bruno Sammartino – Bearhug
15. Sgt. Slaughter – Cobra Clutch
14. Jeff Hardy – Swanton Bomb
13. Eddie Guerrero – Frog Splash
12. Macho Man Randy Savage – Elbow off Top Rope
11. Randy Orton – RKO
10. Bret Hitman Hart – Sharpshooter
9. Jimmy Superfly Snuka – Superfly Splash
8. Nature Boy Ric Flair – Figure Four Leg Lock
7. Hulk Hogan – Leg Drop
6. Shawn Michaels – Sweet Chin Music
5. Jake The Snake Roberts – DDT
4. The Rock – Rock Bottom / Peoples Elbow
3. Triple H – Pedigree
2. Undertaker – Tombstone Piledriver
1. Stone Cold Steve Austin – Stunner

Bonus: Booker T – Spinarooni
Bonus: John Morrison – Starship Pain
Bonus: Scotty Too Hotty – The Worm
Bonus: Rikishi – Stinkface
Bonus: Shane McMahon – Coast to Coast
Bonus: Billy Kidman – Shooting Star Press

DISC TWO BONUS FEATURES:
Sgt. Slaughter Demonstrates The Cobra Clutch on Tony Anthony
World Wide Wrestling – 10th December, 1981

DDT vs. Rude Awakening Match
Jake “The Snake” Roberts vs. “Ravishing” Rick Rude
Madison Square Garden – 24th October, 1988

WWE Intercontinental Championship Match
Mr. Perfect vs. Texas Tornado
Dayton, Ohio – 13th January, 1991

WWE Championship Match
Bret “Hitman” Hart vs. Bob Backlund
Superstars – 30th July, 1994

WCW World Tag Team Championship Match
Kevin Nash & Scott Hall vs. The Giant & Lex Luger
SuperBrawl VII – 23rd February, 1997

King of the Ring Semi-Final Match
Mankind vs. Jerry “The King” Lawler
King of the Ring – 8th June, 1997

Rob Van Dam vs. 2 Cold Scorpio
Living Dangerously – 1st March, 1998

Four Corners Match for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship
‘Nature Boy’ Ric Flair vs. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Hollywood Hogan vs. Sting
With Special Guest Referee “Macho Man” Randy Savage
Spring Stampede –11th April, 1999

Chris Jericho & The Rock vs. Kurt Angle & Stone Cold Steve Austin
SmackDown – 15th November, 2001

Rob Van Dam & Bubba Ray Dudley vs. Brock Lesnar & Eddie Guerrero
Raw – 3rd June, 2002

No Disqualification Tag Team Match
Shawn Michaels & Jeff Hardy vs. Chris Jericho & Christian
Raw – 17th February, 2003

The Rock vs. Goldberg
Backlash – 27th April, 2003

6-Man Elimination Match
Bubba Ray, DVon & Spike Dudley vs. Evolution (Triple H, ‘Nature Boy’ Ric Flair & Randy Orton)
Raw – 14th July, 2003

WWE Women’s Championship Match
Trish Stratus vs. Lita
Raw 6th December, 2004

Fatal 4-Way Elimination Match to become the Number One Contender for the World Heavyweight Championship
Shawn Michaels vs. Randy Orton vs. JBL vs. Chris Jericho
Raw – 29th December, 2008

Fatal 4-Way Match for the World Heavyweight Championship
Undertaker vs. Batista vs. Rey Mysterio vs. CM Punk
Bragging Rights – 25th October, 2009

Six Pack Challenge Elimination Match for the WWE Championship
Sheamus vs. John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Wade Barrett
Night of Champions – 9th September, 2010

Blu-ray Exclusive Content:
Triple H & Undertaker vs. Big Show & Edge
SmackDown – 6th February, 2009

Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy & The Great Khali vs. Edge, Dolph Ziggler & Chris Jericho
Raw – 22nd June, 2009

No Disqualification, 6-Man Tag Team Match
Mr. McMahon & D-Generation X (Shawn Michaels & Triple H) vs. Randy Orton & Legacy (Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase)
Raw – 24th August, 2009

Traditional Survivor Series Elimination Match
Team Mysterio (Rey Mysterio, Big Show, Chris Masters, Kofi Kingston, & MVP) vs. Team Alberto (Alberto
Del Rio, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger, Drew McIntyre, & Tyler Reks)
Survivor Series – 21st November, 2010

John Cena & Rey Mysterio vs. CM Punk & R-Truth
With Special Guest Referee Bret “Hitman” Hart
Raw – 23rd May, 2011

Full Listing For WWE’s 50 Greatest Finishers DVD/Blu-Ray

Source

Quick note about NXT: I can’t find it online and it’s not listed on WWE.com so I have no idea when/if I’ll be able to get it up.
– WWE has released details on their 50 Greatest Finishing Moves in WWE History DVD/Bu-Ray, including the top 50 list. Check out the details below:

50. JBL – Clothesline
49. Vader – Vader Bomb
48. Dusty Rhodes – Bionic Elbow
47. Million Dollar Man – Million Dollar Dream
46. Kerry Von Erich – Iron Claw
45. Ravishing Rick Rude – Rude Awakening
44. Lex Luger – Torture Rack
43. Dudley Boyz – 3-D
42. Bam Bam Bigelow – Moonsault
41. DDP – Diamond Cutter
40. Mankind – Mandible Claw / Socko
39. Honky Tonk Man – Shake Rattle and Roll
38. Yokozuna – Bonzai Drop
37. Flash Funk – 450 Splash
36. Sting – Scorpion Lock
35. Lita – Moonsault
34. Kevin Nash – Jack-knife
33. Jerry Lawler – Piledriver
32. RVD – Five-Star Frog Splash
31. Big Show – Chokeslam
30. CM Punk – GTS
29. Brock Lesnar – F-5
28. Bob Backlund – Chicken Wing
27. Batista – Batista Bomb
26. Mr. Perfect – Perfect Plex
25. Kurt Angle – Ankle Lock
24. Chris Jericho – Lion Tamer / Walls of Jericho
23. Edge – Spear
22. Iron Sheik – Camel Clutch
21. John Cena – Attitude Adjustment
20. Scott Hall – Razors Edge
19. Goldberg – Jackhammer
18. Rey Mysterio – 6-1-9
17. Road Warriors – Doomsday Device
16. Bruno Sammartino – Bearhug
15. Sgt. Slaughter – Cobra Clutch
14. Jeff Hardy – Swanton Bomb
13. Eddie Guerrero – Frog Splash
12. Macho Man Randy Savage – Elbow off Top Rope
11. Randy Orton – RKO
10. Bret Hitman Hart – Sharpshooter
9. Jimmy Superfly Snuka – Superfly Splash
8. Nature Boy Ric Flair – Figure Four Leg Lock
7. Hulk Hogan – Leg Drop
6. Shawn Michaels – Sweet Chin Music
5. Jake The Snake Roberts – DDT
4. The Rock – Rock Bottom / Peoples Elbow
3. Triple H – Pedigree
2. Undertaker – Tombstone Piledriver
1. Stone Cold Steve Austin – Stunner

DISC ONE BONUS FEATURES:
Bonus: Booker T – Spinarooni

Bonus: John Morrison – Starship Pain

Bonus: Scotty Too Hotty – The Worm

Bonus: Rikishi – Stinkface

Bonus: Shane McMahon – Coast to Coast

Bonus: Billy Kidman – Shooting Star Press

DISC TWO BONUS FEATURES:
Sgt. Slaughter Demonstrates The Cobra Clutch on Tony Anthony
World Wide Wrestling – 10th December, 1981

DDT vs. Rude Awakening Match
Jake “The Snake” Roberts vs. “Ravishing” Rick Rude
Madison Square Garden – 24th October, 1988

WWE Intercontinental Championship Match
Mr. Perfect vs. Texas Tornado
Dayton, Ohio – 13th January, 1991

WWE Championship Match
Bret “Hitman” Hart vs. Bob Backlund
Superstars – 30th July, 1994

WCW World Tag Team Championship Match
Kevin Nash & Scott Hall vs. The Giant & Lex Luger
SuperBrawl VII – 23rd February, 1997

King of the Ring Semi-Final Match
Mankind vs. Jerry “The King” Lawler
King of the Ring – 8th June, 1997

Rob Van Dam vs. 2 Cold Scorpio
Living Dangerously – 1st March, 1998

Four Corners Match for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship
‘Nature Boy’ Ric Flair vs. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Hollywood Hogan vs. Sting
With Special Guest Referee “Macho Man” Randy Savage
Spring Stampede –11th April, 1999

Chris Jericho & The Rock vs. Kurt Angle & Stone Cold Steve Austin
SmackDown – 15th November, 2001

Rob Van Dam & Bubba Ray Dudley vs. Brock Lesnar & Eddie Guerrero
Raw – 3rd June, 2002

No Disqualification Tag Team Match
Shawn Michaels & Jeff Hardy vs. Chris Jericho & Christian
Raw – 17th February, 2003

The Rock vs. Goldberg
Backlash – 27th April, 2003

6-Man Elimination Match
Bubba Ray, DVon & Spike Dudley vs. Evolution (Triple H, ‘Nature Boy’ Ric Flair & Randy Orton)
Raw – 14th July, 2003

WWE Women’s Championship Match
Trish Stratus vs. Lita
Raw 6th December, 2004

Fatal 4-Way Elimination Match to become the Number One Contender for the World Heavyweight Championship
Shawn Michaels vs. Randy Orton vs. JBL vs. Chris Jericho
Raw – 29th December, 2008

Fatal 4-Way Match for the World Heavyweight Championship
Undertaker vs. Batista vs. Rey Mysterio vs. CM Punk
Bragging Rights – 25th October, 2009

Six Pack Challenge Elimination Match for the WWE Championship
Sheamus vs. John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Wade Barrett
Night of Champions – 9th September, 2010

Blu-ray Exclusive Content:
Triple H & Undertaker vs. Big Show & Edge
SmackDown – 6th February, 2009

Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy & The Great Khali vs. Edge, Dolph Ziggler & Chris Jericho
Raw – 22nd June, 2009

No Disqualification, 6-Man Tag Team Match
Mr. McMahon & D-Generation X (Shawn Michaels & Triple H) vs. Randy Orton & Legacy (Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase)
Raw – 24th August, 2009

Traditional Survivor Series Elimination Match
Team Mysterio (Rey Mysterio, Big Show, Chris Masters, Kofi Kingston, & MVP) vs. Team Alberto (Alberto
Del Rio, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger, Drew McIntyre, & Tyler Reks)
Survivor Series – 21st November, 2010

John Cena & Rey Mysterio vs. CM Punk & R-Truth
With Special Guest Referee Bret “Hitman” Hart
Raw – 23rd May, 2011

Fantasy Finishers

Hey Scott,
Here's a fun question for the blog: if you were a pro wrestler what would YOUR five moves of doom (and finisher)?
J

I really like the Codebreaker as a finisher, but I prefer something more simple and high-impact, so I'd say that the CM Punk / Mirko Cro Cop head kick would be my finisher.  I'd set it up with an AIRPLANE SPIN so the guy will be pre-dizzied, and then when he's staggering around, WHAM.  

Stolen finishers

Your post about Tribute Moves got me thinking- what about when one wrestler steals another’s finisher? Obviously, since Rock/Austin it’s been done to death, but for my part at least I think sometimes it totally works, within the context of the story (off the top of my head, Jericho using Sweet Chin Music during his first feud with Michaels, with the whole feud being predicated on the idea that Jericho was the ‘new’ version of Michaels, was great, as was Michaels using the Razor’s Edge constantly in the buildup to the ladder match just to piss Razor off, and Yokozuna beating Hogan with the leg drop as sort of an ultimate, final middle finger from Vince to Hogan…and obviously the most famous example is Montreal). What do you think, though? Overdone? Situationally valid? Any particular favorite incidents of it?

First, I have a shitload of mailbag questions all of a sudden and I’m away from actual internet access, so I’m using my phone’s 3G connection best I can to update while I’m out of town.  So fear not, I will try to get to everyone’s questions ASAP.  Anyway, stolen finishers have become a bit of a trope in wrestling, where they went from a cool thing used sparingly into another part of the main event formula.  I’ve noticed they’ve laid off on it as of late, which gives stuff like the HHH-Undertaker exchanges that much more pop.  You don’t see Cena trying an Anaconda Vice on Punk, for example, or anyone trying to hit Randy Orton with an RKO or a punt.  Not that anyone could execute a precision maneuver like the punt unless they had three generations of training like Orton.  And the douchebag tattoos.  But I digress.  It can work pretty effectively in the right circumstances, like Cena modifying the F5 into the FU as a literal kayfabed FU to Brock Lesnar during their feud.  And yeah, Yokozuna dropping the big leg on Hulk was epic.  Back in the day, it was more common in the NWA as A Thing, with babyfaces doing the Four Horsemen’s big moves (Dusty appropriating the figure-four and DDT, or someone hitting Tully with the slingshot suplex, to name three off the top of my head) as a way to get good heat.  So yeah, I like it in moderation, but it got a bit out of control in the 2001-2006 era when everyone was doing stunners to Steve Austin or Angle Slams to Kurt Angle and such.