Company Actively Fighting Its Own Fanbase

You're likely getting all kinds of e-mails about tonight's Royal Rumble, but I have a specific question regarding all this:

Is there any other company that you can think of that actively and vigorously fight so hard against its own fanbase? Because I'm honestly blanking on an example. It's one thing to go against what the fans want. We're used to that. But tonight, between eliminating Bryan so quickly, and then the never ending treatment of every other strongly liked star like Sandow, Cesaro, Ziggler, etc. It's like they're actively and regularly saying, "You like these guys? Well fuck you!"

What other company has worked this hard against its own fanbase?

WCW did that a lot too at the end.  Just saying.  

Randy Orton: Face Of The Company

Just to expand on something in the comments from RAW thread:

What’s amazing is like you said, why haven’t they done ANYTHING with the “face of the company” gimmick? Instead of being HHH/Steph’s chew toy, Orton could have actually been an interesting heel character. Show videos of him being the “face of the company” at public events and being hated— photo ops with kids who can’t stand him, being obnoxious on local TV appearances, stuff like that. Have him come out and review his latest Randy Orton merchandise, or berate interns because his locker room didn’t have enough fresh cut flowers,. Give him a lackey to carry a mirror so Orton can look at himself as he comes down the ring. Bring a fan in the ring because Randy wants to let the commoner worship the face of the company. There’s a million ways you could go with Orton as the pompous champion who prides himself as being the most popular person in WWE when obviously he’s not.

I don’t know if you watch NXT or not, but this is an exact description of the Bo Dallas character and his Honky Tonk Man 2014 deal.  And although it’s fun for the most part, it does NOT work for the guy who is supposed to be the champion, and it’s not going to work for Bo when he gets called up.  They’ve really booked themselves into a corner with Bo and this deal, because once he loses that belt the character is dead in the water and really Bo is LONG past the point where the joke has been beaten into the ground as it is.  Orton might be able to make it work, but it’s not translating to Dallas as a top guy, I’ll say that. 

QOTD 44: Record company gonna give me lotsa money…

Sell out! With me, oh yeah. Sorry, I’ll try to keep the Reel Big Fish content to a minimum this QOTD. Anyhoot, I’ve been pondering the concept of ‘selling out’ and what it means, and how it can make a fellah (or lady) hate a given artist.

What do you define as selling out? Have people like Kid Rock, Dr. Dre, Eminem, and Bon Jovi ‘sold out’ because they changed their styles? Or are you okay with a musician adapting their style to reflect A) what they think is popular and B) the kind of music they want to make? 

Did The Rock sell out?

I believe Scott said something about Kid Rock going from a rapper / rocker to kind of a country-fried, Lynyrd Skynyrd sampling, GOP moolah taking, wuss face. And I can’t blame him. If you liked Kid Rock for one thing (or two things), and then saw him performing now, you may kind of cock your head sideways and wonder where his ‘edge’ went. Then again the concert I went too had 4 dollar beer and 20 dollar admission and he played all the hits I wanted to hear.

I saw so many Milf Boobies because of my “Ted” shirt. So many. Like 7 and a half boobies.

When Bowling For Soup got huge they definitely sapped up all that kid-friendly money, doing horrible covers of “I’ll Melt with You” (Where they changed “Making love with you was never second best” to “Being friends with you…” which caused me to puke in my mouth a bit), making a covers album, and I think they ended up recording both the Jimmy Neutron and Phinieas and Ferb songs. Barenaked Ladies’ Christmas and kids albums both felt…unnecessary.

I personally don’t have a problem with it, but that’s because I’m fans of these bands and want to see them succeed, so if BFS gets to record their next album in a better studio cause they did a couple of crappy kids songs, great. If Kid Rock has a country bone in his body he wants to diddle, go for it.

What I really hate is when bands get so big that suddenly a good concert ticket becomes nearly impossible to kid. My mom won tickets to the Rolling Stones, and were told our tickets would hypothetically be about 120 dollars, each, had we paid for them. My mouth dropped. Don’t get me wrong, I know folks are paying for the nostalgia of seeing a band they associate closely with my childhood, but there’s nothing quite as damning to rock and roll than a high concert ticket price, if you ask me.

What say you, Blotters?


Blog Otter Award: Jobber123 for making a point about Silver Linings Playbook’s depiction of mental illness that I think was important. I’ll shrink this down if don’t wanna read my thoughts.

If you ask me, often times relationships that are emotionally abusive find themselves
in a situation kind of similar to what Silver Linings Playbook
presented toward the end of the film. Bradley Cooper  is violent,
and crazy, and is ultimately saved, in a sense, by Jennifer Lawrence’s

 That whole “We’re both crazy, baby” kind of mentality is what
allows an insecure gal to stay with her boyfriend through his
semi-regular fits of anger that may very well land the family cat in the
E.R. – and if taken in the wrong light could reinforce a person’s
commitment to making a poisoned relationship work. I’m sure the issues are far more complicated than that, but I always found that aspect of the movie bugged me. 

Then again I know absolutely INSANE people (many of whom may be on this very blog, har har) who found a nice lady and got themselves all sorts of grounded in reality real freakin’ quick.

I now present to you a meme that completely devalues the message of the movie in favor of single girl, self empowering, pity-seeking.

1. One for certain sell-out moment I can think of is when they attempted to broadcast the World Series of Poker’s final table on PPV. Don’t get me wrong ESPN, I love what you did for ‘the sport’ of Poker, but I wasn’t born yesterday.

2. OH! Okay, so I know we have a TON of comic fans here, and let me say that if you ever wanted a casual game that’s packed full of awesome comic references, pick up Lego Marvel Superheroes, TODAY. It’s awesome. It’s an Iron Man, Hulk Smash, Spider-man, Fantastic Four, and about 30 other superheroes, game, all in an open world with a pretty good plot, and tons of in-jokes to spare.

Even better it plays like a universe-wide sequel to The Avengers movie, but with Spidey, The X-men, and Fantastic Four along for the ride.

Wrestlers associated with a company they didn’t spend much time in

Hi Scott,

Something for the blog if you'd like and/or think it will get some discussion:

In the "midcard mailbag" thread, someone mentioned Angle, and it got me thinking about how excluding his time in WWE developmental, Angle has now been in TNA for the same amount of time he was in WWE.  But when people think of Angle, will they think of him as a TNA guy or a WWE guy?  It kind of brings to mind the weird phenomenon of how some guys can be associated strongly with one company despite not having been there very long.

A perfect example is Rick Rude.  Even with the few months in DX, Rude was only with WWF for three years or so. And while I'm betting most people will always think of Rude from his WWF days, the fact is he really was an NWA/WCW guy through and through.  Another example might be any given ECW guy, say RVD: he really was only visibly with ECW for about 4 years or so (got on TV in early '96, and then was gone in mid 2000 through the last PPV in '01),  He surpassed that with his time in WWE, and is on his way this year into next doing that with TNA.  But he'll always be an ECW guy.

Can you think of any other notable examples where someone was very much associated with a given company despite only being there for a fraction of his career?  The simple explanation for it all is probably just exposure/how someone is used, but I still thought it might make for some interesting debate.

Magnum TA was only in JCP for a relatively brief period of time, but because he blew up there and then ended his career at the same time, he got forever associated with it.  And I think RVD was an "ECW guy" because his career was essentially defined by his time there.  

New Face of the Company?

Question for you and the blog of doomers if you're looking for material:

I think it's been pretty clear that no matter what happens and no matter how WWE tries to manipulate the situation, Cena really isn't going to have more than 60% of the arena in his corner (even on his best days).  I also think that it's likely Cena is going to have to pass the torch as the face of the company at some point in the next 12-18 months.  For various reasons, the odds-on favorite for this designation seems to be Sheamus.  But if you had the power to really rally behind someone and make them the face of the company, who would it be?  I'm also referring to all of the responsibilities that come with it:  media interviews, charity events, appearances at seemingly random quasi-celebrity or sporting events.  So, he'd have to be a guy who is willing and able to do all of that.  There are some clamoring for Punk to take charge, but I've seen/heard a couple of trainwrecks with Punk promoting that night's Raw or PPV.  In particular, there's been dorky radio morning show hosts who were completely shut down because Punk didn't feel like playing along…and then it just got awkward from there.  I just start to feel bad for everyone there, including Punk.  So while I think he is an acceptable face for a wrestling promotion, I'm not sure if he WANTS to be when it comes to all of the added peripheral responsibilities.

On the other hand, I've seen guys like Orton and Bryan just absolutely nail it (media interview, radio show) despite the fact that they don't have these larger-than-life personalities. Are we left with Bryan (after he trims his beard), Ziggler, and Sheamus as possibilities or is there another guy who you think can take the title of "face of the company" and run with it?  Or are we just waiting for lightning to strike with someone else for the next two years?

Oh, it's gonna be Sheamus, and you're gonna LIKE IT.  Even though he's only a year or so younger than Cena.  
Personally I say Ziggler, or on an outside shot John Morrison.  They're both young and well-spoken, can go in the ring, seem to understand social media, and seem like cool guys and not arrogant fuck-ups like a certain third-generation guy with two strikes.