Cena Randoms

Hi Scott,
A few random ones for your post-Wrestlemania mailbag…
1. Was there ever a John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan match in the works years back?  More frightening: do you think that is STILL an option, given Hogan-Vince’s penchant for money-based reconciliation?  I could totally see it if Cena wins this Sunday and declares himself the ‘biggest star ever’.
2. Did Steve Austin ‘refuse’ to work with Brock Lesnar in 2002-03 or was it Austin’s personal issues that prevented that match from happening?
3. The Rock has a history of being able to do high-profile jobs, yet cutting a promo and being right back on top.  Dude put over Lesnar in summer ’02 and had the highest-profile match on Wrestlemania 19; put over Goldberg clean the next month, returned at WM20 without a hitch.  Mick Foley put over everyone under the sun and maintained his credibility.  HHH’s longevity is another story entirely because of wholly unprecedented circumstances.  Is there anyone else you think fits this mold of guys who can maintain their top spot while doing high-profile jobs?  Conversely, are there guys who NEED to be handled with kid gloves in regards to jobs?
4. Do you think we will see Dave Batista in WWE again?

Eh, these are interesting questions, so we’ll do this as a pre-WM mailbag.  1.  Never heard anything on that front.  I suppose you can never say never in wrestling, but Hogan’s hip is pretty destroyed and Vince had plenty of other opportunities to do “dream matches” with Hogan the last time he was under contract and only did a couple.  Plus, 6 years ago both Michaels and Orton had to lay down for Hogan, and there’s no fucking way John Cena is laying down for him, and nor should he.  So that would be right out.  2.  Austin outright refused to do the job to Lesnar.  3.  Undertaker has done a zillion jobs in recent years without losing an ounce of cred.  He’s done so many jobs without losing cred that most people don’t even think of him as someone who does jobs, which is weird.  Dude put over Great Khali, Big Show, Mr. Kennedy, CM Punk and tons of others, some of them clean as a sheet.  The guys who need kid gloves are the ones who aren’t allowed to get over on their own, which is to say everyone else.  Ziggler was looking like a main eventer in January, but he’s done job after job after job since then and now he’s already plummeting back to the midcard again.  And he gets no promo time to get himself over again.  Those are the guys you have to be the most careful with:  The ones JUST on the verge of breaking through. 4.  Yes.  But if not, he’ll make out OK.

Cena Randoms

Hi Scott,
A few random ones for your post-Wrestlemania mailbag…
1. Was there ever a John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan match in the works years back?  More frightening: do you think that is STILL an option, given Hogan-Vince’s penchant for money-based reconciliation?  I could totally see it if Cena wins this Sunday and declares himself the ‘biggest star ever’.
2. Did Steve Austin ‘refuse’ to work with Brock Lesnar in 2002-03 or was it Austin’s personal issues that prevented that match from happening?
3. The Rock has a history of being able to do high-profile jobs, yet cutting a promo and being right back on top.  Dude put over Lesnar in summer ’02 and had the highest-profile match on Wrestlemania 19; put over Goldberg clean the next month, returned at WM20 without a hitch.  Mick Foley put over everyone under the sun and maintained his credibility.  HHH’s longevity is another story entirely because of wholly unprecedented circumstances.  Is there anyone else you think fits this mold of guys who can maintain their top spot while doing high-profile jobs?  Conversely, are there guys who NEED to be handled with kid gloves in regards to jobs?
4. Do you think we will see Dave Batista in WWE again?

Eh, these are interesting questions, so we’ll do this as a pre-WM mailbag.  1.  Never heard anything on that front.  I suppose you can never say never in wrestling, but Hogan’s hip is pretty destroyed and Vince had plenty of other opportunities to do “dream matches” with Hogan the last time he was under contract and only did a couple.  Plus, 6 years ago both Michaels and Orton had to lay down for Hogan, and there’s no fucking way John Cena is laying down for him, and nor should he.  So that would be right out.  2.  Austin outright refused to do the job to Lesnar.  3.  Undertaker has done a zillion jobs in recent years without losing an ounce of cred.  He’s done so many jobs without losing cred that most people don’t even think of him as someone who does jobs, which is weird.  Dude put over Great Khali, Big Show, Mr. Kennedy, CM Punk and tons of others, some of them clean as a sheet.  The guys who need kid gloves are the ones who aren’t allowed to get over on their own, which is to say everyone else.  Ziggler was looking like a main eventer in January, but he’s done job after job after job since then and now he’s already plummeting back to the midcard again.  And he gets no promo time to get himself over again.  Those are the guys you have to be the most careful with:  The ones JUST on the verge of breaking through. 4.  Yes.  But if not, he’ll make out OK.

Rock v. Cena

Hey Scott.

I’m a big fan and I’ve read your blog for years now.  The funny thing is that I haven’t watched a full episode of Raw or Smackdown since about 2002, but I always come back to your site to keep myself updated.  I have been drawn back (although most likely briefly) by the Rock/Cena match.  I’ve always been a big fan of the Rock and the last time I ordered a PPV, it was Wrestlemania 18.  Even a large group of my friends were over for that event, and they were PUMPED for Hogan coming back.  I told them over and over that Rock was going over.  There was no chance they’d let an old old man like Hogan come in and ruin the image of the only saving grace they have left in the business.  They laughed at me as if it were impossible that Rock could beat Hulkamania.  Needless to say after many hearty, belly rolling chuckles of my own, they were devastated that Hogan lost.  Skip to today. On paper it seems that John Cena is unfortunately the only really huge name that will be carrying the WWE into the future.  That being said, I personally want to see the Rock go over bad.  Which leads me to my question, and I’m sorry if you’ve answered it already a million times.  What is your opinion on what should happen in the main event and what you believe will happen.  Because IMO Cena isn’t in the same league as Rock. But we know the Rock isn’t sticking around and Cena may be all that’s left for them.  Can the rock go over here and risk destroying an already dying JC fan base that they are desperately trying to win back. Am I like my friends that couldn’t imagine Hulk losing?

 

Yup.  Cena is going over, as he should.  I’ll groan, but it’s best for business in the long run if Rock lays down.  Unless they want to do a giant Cena heel turn, but obviously the point is to rehabilitate Cena’s image with males 18-34, and they’ve done a heck of a job thus far.

That being said, if the finish is Miz running in and causing the finish, then I’ll be pissed.

Rock v. Cena

Hey Scott.

I’m a big fan and I’ve read your blog for years now.  The funny thing is that I haven’t watched a full episode of Raw or Smackdown since about 2002, but I always come back to your site to keep myself updated.  I have been drawn back (although most likely briefly) by the Rock/Cena match.  I’ve always been a big fan of the Rock and the last time I ordered a PPV, it was Wrestlemania 18.  Even a large group of my friends were over for that event, and they were PUMPED for Hogan coming back.  I told them over and over that Rock was going over.  There was no chance they’d let an old old man like Hogan come in and ruin the image of the only saving grace they have left in the business.  They laughed at me as if it were impossible that Rock could beat Hulkamania.  Needless to say after many hearty, belly rolling chuckles of my own, they were devastated that Hogan lost.  Skip to today. On paper it seems that John Cena is unfortunately the only really huge name that will be carrying the WWE into the future.  That being said, I personally want to see the Rock go over bad.  Which leads me to my question, and I’m sorry if you’ve answered it already a million times.  What is your opinion on what should happen in the main event and what you believe will happen.  Because IMO Cena isn’t in the same league as Rock. But we know the Rock isn’t sticking around and Cena may be all that’s left for them.  Can the rock go over here and risk destroying an already dying JC fan base that they are desperately trying to win back. Am I like my friends that couldn’t imagine Hulk losing?

 

Yup.  Cena is going over, as he should.  I’ll groan, but it’s best for business in the long run if Rock lays down.  Unless they want to do a giant Cena heel turn, but obviously the point is to rehabilitate Cena’s image with males 18-34, and they’ve done a heck of a job thus far.

That being said, if the finish is Miz running in and causing the finish, then I’ll be pissed.

Rock v. Cena

Hey Scott.

I’m a big fan and I’ve read your blog for years now.  The funny thing is that I haven’t watched a full episode of Raw or Smackdown since about 2002, but I always come back to your site to keep myself updated.  I have been drawn back (although most likely briefly) by the Rock/Cena match.  I’ve always been a big fan of the Rock and the last time I ordered a PPV, it was Wrestlemania 18.  Even a large group of my friends were over for that event, and they were PUMPED for Hogan coming back.  I told them over and over that Rock was going over.  There was no chance they’d let an old old man like Hogan come in and ruin the image of the only saving grace they have left in the business.  They laughed at me as if it were impossible that Rock could beat Hulkamania.  Needless to say after many hearty, belly rolling chuckles of my own, they were devastated that Hogan lost.  Skip to today. On paper it seems that John Cena is unfortunately the only really huge name that will be carrying the WWE into the future.  That being said, I personally want to see the Rock go over bad.  Which leads me to my question, and I’m sorry if you’ve answered it already a million times.  What is your opinion on what should happen in the main event and what you believe will happen.  Because IMO Cena isn’t in the same league as Rock. But we know the Rock isn’t sticking around and Cena may be all that’s left for them.  Can the rock go over here and risk destroying an already dying JC fan base that they are desperately trying to win back. Am I like my friends that couldn’t imagine Hulk losing?

 

Yup.  Cena is going over, as he should.  I’ll groan, but it’s best for business in the long run if Rock lays down.  Unless they want to do a giant Cena heel turn, but obviously the point is to rehabilitate Cena’s image with males 18-34, and they’ve done a heck of a job thus far.

That being said, if the finish is Miz running in and causing the finish, then I’ll be pissed.

Rock v. Cena

Hey Scott.

I’m a big fan and I’ve read your blog for years now.  The funny thing is that I haven’t watched a full episode of Raw or Smackdown since about 2002, but I always come back to your site to keep myself updated.  I have been drawn back (although most likely briefly) by the Rock/Cena match.  I’ve always been a big fan of the Rock and the last time I ordered a PPV, it was Wrestlemania 18.  Even a large group of my friends were over for that event, and they were PUMPED for Hogan coming back.  I told them over and over that Rock was going over.  There was no chance they’d let an old old man like Hogan come in and ruin the image of the only saving grace they have left in the business.  They laughed at me as if it were impossible that Rock could beat Hulkamania.  Needless to say after many hearty, belly rolling chuckles of my own, they were devastated that Hogan lost.  Skip to today. On paper it seems that John Cena is unfortunately the only really huge name that will be carrying the WWE into the future.  That being said, I personally want to see the Rock go over bad.  Which leads me to my question, and I’m sorry if you’ve answered it already a million times.  What is your opinion on what should happen in the main event and what you believe will happen.  Because IMO Cena isn’t in the same league as Rock. But we know the Rock isn’t sticking around and Cena may be all that’s left for them.  Can the rock go over here and risk destroying an already dying JC fan base that they are desperately trying to win back. Am I like my friends that couldn’t imagine Hulk losing?

 

Yup.  Cena is going over, as he should.  I’ll groan, but it’s best for business in the long run if Rock lays down.  Unless they want to do a giant Cena heel turn, but obviously the point is to rehabilitate Cena’s image with males 18-34, and they’ve done a heck of a job thus far.

That being said, if the finish is Miz running in and causing the finish, then I’ll be pissed.

Rock v. Cena

Hey Scott.

I’m a big fan and I’ve read your blog for years now.  The funny thing is that I haven’t watched a full episode of Raw or Smackdown since about 2002, but I always come back to your site to keep myself updated.  I have been drawn back (although most likely briefly) by the Rock/Cena match.  I’ve always been a big fan of the Rock and the last time I ordered a PPV, it was Wrestlemania 18.  Even a large group of my friends were over for that event, and they were PUMPED for Hogan coming back.  I told them over and over that Rock was going over.  There was no chance they’d let an old old man like Hogan come in and ruin the image of the only saving grace they have left in the business.  They laughed at me as if it were impossible that Rock could beat Hulkamania.  Needless to say after many hearty, belly rolling chuckles of my own, they were devastated that Hogan lost.  Skip to today. On paper it seems that John Cena is unfortunately the only really huge name that will be carrying the WWE into the future.  That being said, I personally want to see the Rock go over bad.  Which leads me to my question, and I’m sorry if you’ve answered it already a million times.  What is your opinion on what should happen in the main event and what you believe will happen.  Because IMO Cena isn’t in the same league as Rock. But we know the Rock isn’t sticking around and Cena may be all that’s left for them.  Can the rock go over here and risk destroying an already dying JC fan base that they are desperately trying to win back. Am I like my friends that couldn’t imagine Hulk losing?

 

Yup.  Cena is going over, as he should.  I’ll groan, but it’s best for business in the long run if Rock lays down.  Unless they want to do a giant Cena heel turn, but obviously the point is to rehabilitate Cena’s image with males 18-34, and they’ve done a heck of a job thus far.

That being said, if the finish is Miz running in and causing the finish, then I’ll be pissed.

Rock v. Cena

Hey Scott.

I’m a big fan and I’ve read your blog for years now.  The funny thing is that I haven’t watched a full episode of Raw or Smackdown since about 2002, but I always come back to your site to keep myself updated.  I have been drawn back (although most likely briefly) by the Rock/Cena match.  I’ve always been a big fan of the Rock and the last time I ordered a PPV, it was Wrestlemania 18.  Even a large group of my friends were over for that event, and they were PUMPED for Hogan coming back.  I told them over and over that Rock was going over.  There was no chance they’d let an old old man like Hogan come in and ruin the image of the only saving grace they have left in the business.  They laughed at me as if it were impossible that Rock could beat Hulkamania.  Needless to say after many hearty, belly rolling chuckles of my own, they were devastated that Hogan lost.  Skip to today. On paper it seems that John Cena is unfortunately the only really huge name that will be carrying the WWE into the future.  That being said, I personally want to see the Rock go over bad.  Which leads me to my question, and I’m sorry if you’ve answered it already a million times.  What is your opinion on what should happen in the main event and what you believe will happen.  Because IMO Cena isn’t in the same league as Rock. But we know the Rock isn’t sticking around and Cena may be all that’s left for them.  Can the rock go over here and risk destroying an already dying JC fan base that they are desperately trying to win back. Am I like my friends that couldn’t imagine Hulk losing?

 

Yup.  Cena is going over, as he should.  I’ll groan, but it’s best for business in the long run if Rock lays down.  Unless they want to do a giant Cena heel turn, but obviously the point is to rehabilitate Cena’s image with males 18-34, and they’ve done a heck of a job thus far.

That being said, if the finish is Miz running in and causing the finish, then I’ll be pissed.

Rock v. Cena

Hey Scott.

I’m a big fan and I’ve read your blog for years now.  The funny thing is that I haven’t watched a full episode of Raw or Smackdown since about 2002, but I always come back to your site to keep myself updated.  I have been drawn back (although most likely briefly) by the Rock/Cena match.  I’ve always been a big fan of the Rock and the last time I ordered a PPV, it was Wrestlemania 18.  Even a large group of my friends were over for that event, and they were PUMPED for Hogan coming back.  I told them over and over that Rock was going over.  There was no chance they’d let an old old man like Hogan come in and ruin the image of the only saving grace they have left in the business.  They laughed at me as if it were impossible that Rock could beat Hulkamania.  Needless to say after many hearty, belly rolling chuckles of my own, they were devastated that Hogan lost.  Skip to today. On paper it seems that John Cena is unfortunately the only really huge name that will be carrying the WWE into the future.  That being said, I personally want to see the Rock go over bad.  Which leads me to my question, and I’m sorry if you’ve answered it already a million times.  What is your opinion on what should happen in the main event and what you believe will happen.  Because IMO Cena isn’t in the same league as Rock. But we know the Rock isn’t sticking around and Cena may be all that’s left for them.  Can the rock go over here and risk destroying an already dying JC fan base that they are desperately trying to win back. Am I like my friends that couldn’t imagine Hulk losing?

 

Yup.  Cena is going over, as he should.  I’ll groan, but it’s best for business in the long run if Rock lays down.  Unless they want to do a giant Cena heel turn, but obviously the point is to rehabilitate Cena’s image with males 18-34, and they’ve done a heck of a job thus far.

That being said, if the finish is Miz running in and causing the finish, then I’ll be pissed.

Cena Sucks?

Scott,
        Most of the Doom Buggies and wrestling fandom in general say the same thing about John Cena: he brings the goods in the ring and can bring the goods on the mic but his promos are staler than week old bread. Someone mentioned on the blog last night that Cena didn’t change from rapper to smiley, corny, superman babyface overnight but my memory is that it happened pretty damn fast. Can you tell me at what point it became obvious Cena became stale? And am I wrong or did Cena change from rapper to an earlier incarnation of his current character more gradually? Also, I remember Cena being booed as a face against HBK, HHH, Angle, and Jericho but was there a logical explanation for the fan backlash? I watched at this point but damn if I can remember much. Thanks!

Doom Buggies?  Really? For me, it was the Kurt Angle feud that made me sick of him.  That was the first point for me where he started doing the pandering schtick and got shown up in the ring by someone really badly.  Kurt Angle was still a really cool guy at that point and Cena just looked like a huge geek by comparison to this badass Olympian who was anklelocking people and trading wins with Undertaker.  The feud just never clicked for me and it got really tiresome, really fast.  I don’t know if it had anything to do with the backlash, as the HHH match at Wrestlemania was really the first time I ever noticed it, but by the RVD match at the ECW show it had become the cool thing, and it might have just taken off from there.

Cena Sucks?

Scott,
        Most of the Doom Buggies and wrestling fandom in general say the same thing about John Cena: he brings the goods in the ring and can bring the goods on the mic but his promos are staler than week old bread. Someone mentioned on the blog last night that Cena didn’t change from rapper to smiley, corny, superman babyface overnight but my memory is that it happened pretty damn fast. Can you tell me at what point it became obvious Cena became stale? And am I wrong or did Cena change from rapper to an earlier incarnation of his current character more gradually? Also, I remember Cena being booed as a face against HBK, HHH, Angle, and Jericho but was there a logical explanation for the fan backlash? I watched at this point but damn if I can remember much. Thanks!

Doom Buggies?  Really? For me, it was the Kurt Angle feud that made me sick of him.  That was the first point for me where he started doing the pandering schtick and got shown up in the ring by someone really badly.  Kurt Angle was still a really cool guy at that point and Cena just looked like a huge geek by comparison to this badass Olympian who was anklelocking people and trading wins with Undertaker.  The feud just never clicked for me and it got really tiresome, really fast.  I don’t know if it had anything to do with the backlash, as the HHH match at Wrestlemania was really the first time I ever noticed it, but by the RVD match at the ECW show it had become the cool thing, and it might have just taken off from there.

Cena Sucks?

Scott,
        Most of the Doom Buggies and wrestling fandom in general say the same thing about John Cena: he brings the goods in the ring and can bring the goods on the mic but his promos are staler than week old bread. Someone mentioned on the blog last night that Cena didn’t change from rapper to smiley, corny, superman babyface overnight but my memory is that it happened pretty damn fast. Can you tell me at what point it became obvious Cena became stale? And am I wrong or did Cena change from rapper to an earlier incarnation of his current character more gradually? Also, I remember Cena being booed as a face against HBK, HHH, Angle, and Jericho but was there a logical explanation for the fan backlash? I watched at this point but damn if I can remember much. Thanks!

Doom Buggies?  Really? For me, it was the Kurt Angle feud that made me sick of him.  That was the first point for me where he started doing the pandering schtick and got shown up in the ring by someone really badly.  Kurt Angle was still a really cool guy at that point and Cena just looked like a huge geek by comparison to this badass Olympian who was anklelocking people and trading wins with Undertaker.  The feud just never clicked for me and it got really tiresome, really fast.  I don’t know if it had anything to do with the backlash, as the HHH match at Wrestlemania was really the first time I ever noticed it, but by the RVD match at the ECW show it had become the cool thing, and it might have just taken off from there.

Cena Sucks?

Scott,
        Most of the Doom Buggies and wrestling fandom in general say the same thing about John Cena: he brings the goods in the ring and can bring the goods on the mic but his promos are staler than week old bread. Someone mentioned on the blog last night that Cena didn’t change from rapper to smiley, corny, superman babyface overnight but my memory is that it happened pretty damn fast. Can you tell me at what point it became obvious Cena became stale? And am I wrong or did Cena change from rapper to an earlier incarnation of his current character more gradually? Also, I remember Cena being booed as a face against HBK, HHH, Angle, and Jericho but was there a logical explanation for the fan backlash? I watched at this point but damn if I can remember much. Thanks!

Doom Buggies?  Really? For me, it was the Kurt Angle feud that made me sick of him.  That was the first point for me where he started doing the pandering schtick and got shown up in the ring by someone really badly.  Kurt Angle was still a really cool guy at that point and Cena just looked like a huge geek by comparison to this badass Olympian who was anklelocking people and trading wins with Undertaker.  The feud just never clicked for me and it got really tiresome, really fast.  I don’t know if it had anything to do with the backlash, as the HHH match at Wrestlemania was really the first time I ever noticed it, but by the RVD match at the ECW show it had become the cool thing, and it might have just taken off from there.

Cena Sucks?

Scott,
        Most of the Doom Buggies and wrestling fandom in general say the same thing about John Cena: he brings the goods in the ring and can bring the goods on the mic but his promos are staler than week old bread. Someone mentioned on the blog last night that Cena didn’t change from rapper to smiley, corny, superman babyface overnight but my memory is that it happened pretty damn fast. Can you tell me at what point it became obvious Cena became stale? And am I wrong or did Cena change from rapper to an earlier incarnation of his current character more gradually? Also, I remember Cena being booed as a face against HBK, HHH, Angle, and Jericho but was there a logical explanation for the fan backlash? I watched at this point but damn if I can remember much. Thanks!

Doom Buggies?  Really? For me, it was the Kurt Angle feud that made me sick of him.  That was the first point for me where he started doing the pandering schtick and got shown up in the ring by someone really badly.  Kurt Angle was still a really cool guy at that point and Cena just looked like a huge geek by comparison to this badass Olympian who was anklelocking people and trading wins with Undertaker.  The feud just never clicked for me and it got really tiresome, really fast.  I don’t know if it had anything to do with the backlash, as the HHH match at Wrestlemania was really the first time I ever noticed it, but by the RVD match at the ECW show it had become the cool thing, and it might have just taken off from there.

Cena Sucks?

Scott,
        Most of the Doom Buggies and wrestling fandom in general say the same thing about John Cena: he brings the goods in the ring and can bring the goods on the mic but his promos are staler than week old bread. Someone mentioned on the blog last night that Cena didn’t change from rapper to smiley, corny, superman babyface overnight but my memory is that it happened pretty damn fast. Can you tell me at what point it became obvious Cena became stale? And am I wrong or did Cena change from rapper to an earlier incarnation of his current character more gradually? Also, I remember Cena being booed as a face against HBK, HHH, Angle, and Jericho but was there a logical explanation for the fan backlash? I watched at this point but damn if I can remember much. Thanks!

Doom Buggies?  Really? For me, it was the Kurt Angle feud that made me sick of him.  That was the first point for me where he started doing the pandering schtick and got shown up in the ring by someone really badly.  Kurt Angle was still a really cool guy at that point and Cena just looked like a huge geek by comparison to this badass Olympian who was anklelocking people and trading wins with Undertaker.  The feud just never clicked for me and it got really tiresome, really fast.  I don’t know if it had anything to do with the backlash, as the HHH match at Wrestlemania was really the first time I ever noticed it, but by the RVD match at the ECW show it had become the cool thing, and it might have just taken off from there.

Cena Sucks?

Scott,
        Most of the Doom Buggies and wrestling fandom in general say the same thing about John Cena: he brings the goods in the ring and can bring the goods on the mic but his promos are staler than week old bread. Someone mentioned on the blog last night that Cena didn’t change from rapper to smiley, corny, superman babyface overnight but my memory is that it happened pretty damn fast. Can you tell me at what point it became obvious Cena became stale? And am I wrong or did Cena change from rapper to an earlier incarnation of his current character more gradually? Also, I remember Cena being booed as a face against HBK, HHH, Angle, and Jericho but was there a logical explanation for the fan backlash? I watched at this point but damn if I can remember much. Thanks!

Doom Buggies?  Really? For me, it was the Kurt Angle feud that made me sick of him.  That was the first point for me where he started doing the pandering schtick and got shown up in the ring by someone really badly.  Kurt Angle was still a really cool guy at that point and Cena just looked like a huge geek by comparison to this badass Olympian who was anklelocking people and trading wins with Undertaker.  The feud just never clicked for me and it got really tiresome, really fast.  I don’t know if it had anything to do with the backlash, as the HHH match at Wrestlemania was really the first time I ever noticed it, but by the RVD match at the ECW show it had become the cool thing, and it might have just taken off from there.