Hogan and Andre

Even though Andre died the night after mania, and everything from the survivor series on was apparently a schizophrenic episode by you, me, and the rest of the world, did Hogan and Andre ever make up in the kayfabe sense on WWF TV after Andre turned face?


And speaking of the late Giant, how really good of a job did they do making him seem like a legit threat at the time he turned on Hogan? I remember it like yesterday and thinking "Well, Hogan's fucked". Now of course as I'm older I look at Andre now and see this slow, out of shape guy who even I could have beat up.

Probably explain why he passed away after mania.

Dude, the man was 900 pounds!  The force of the bodyslam alone was enough to rupture his vital organs.  Especially since Hogan didn't know going into the match what the finish would be or if Andre would cooperate, so he likely had to slam him as a SHOOT.  And then James Hetfield saw it and decided not to hire Hogan as their lead guitarist because he was too dangerous, brother.
Anyway, Andre pretty much disappeared after the face turn, didn't he?  I certainly don't recall any making up on TV, but then I'm old and forgetful anyway.  I will say that 12 year old Scott was terrified of Andre and would have bet all his allowance on the title changing there.  

Why not Andre?

Why was Andre never given an actual run with the WWF title in the 70's or early 80's in the pre-Hogan era(not counting the 30-second reign on The Main Event)? He was super-over, the fans loved him and I'm sure he was a draw…was Backlund really a more worthy champion than Andre? Why was this never done? 

Andre never wanted it and he made far more money as his own touring attraction, rather than having to deal with the politics involved in being champion anywhere.  Plus, much like the Undertaker, you can do one tour with the champion on top and one tour with Andre on top.  

Question for the Blog — Andre the Giant

Why hasn't Andre the Giant ever gotten the 3 disc DVD/documentary treatment? He was the biggest star in the sport in the 70s and 80s (before Hogan). I don't get it. I know there was a DVD released early in the DVD era, which was really just a re-release of a video tape from 1998, but doesn't he deserve a big release with all the talking heads and a bunch of never before released matches? Wouldn't it sell? I mean I'd buy it, but I'm also buying the Network and I'm in the minority on that one.

Darn good question.  Especially with the Andre Memorial Battle Royale this year you'd think it would have been the perfect time to celebrate his career.  I think from a logistical standpoint they might have trouble finding a lot of big matches that haven't been done already, but they own SO MUCH footage that you'd think it would easy to pull some stuff from Stampede, Mid-South, etc.  Plus there's tons of stuff from the Coliseum era like six and ten-man tags to fill it out that were a lot of fun.
So no, I don't get it either.  

Andre the Giant: Life & Legend Graphic Novel

Hey Scott,

I reviewed Box Brown's graphic novel, ANDRE THE GIANT: LIFE & LEGEND on my blog. I don't know if you or any of the other Doomers had heard about it, but I think it makes for a great addition to any wrestling fan's bookshelf. Have a look:

Nick Piers

​Heard of it, but haven't checked it out yet.  ​

Andre the Giant Question

Hey Scott,
 Over the years, it seems like everyone who knew and worked with Andre has said that for the most part no one told Andre what to do. Hogan has said that he still wasn’t sure if Andre would put him over at Wrestlemania 3. Did Andre have “backstage veto power” to the point he didn’t have to lose to no one? Were people that legit scared to say anything to Andre?  Thanks Vince

Hogan is completely full of shit.  Andre didn't lose often because it would be terrible for business for him to lose, but there certainly were times where he did the job.  He was a scary guy for a lot of people but it's not like he was Bruiser Brody, threatening to leave the territory if he did a job.  It's kind of like Undertaker now, where he would end the streak if asked, but no one is gonna ask.  

Andre Memorial Battle Royal

Hi Scott,

Long time fan etc etc.  I have a quick question regarding the Andre Memorial Battle Royal – seems like a lovely idea, and great that more talent gets on the card, but isn't this a bit cynically timed, ie happening RIGHT after the network has launched, and wrestlers are likely getting hosed on ppv bonuses compared to previous years?

It's almost like this "best for business" thing is a shoot comment that…you know the rest.

James

Yeah, but they're competing for a seven foot tall solid gold statue!  That's bigger than any paltry WM payoff could be!  

Andre the Giant

Hey Scott,

I wonder if you'd share this post I did which I'm pretty proud of – 20 Astonishing Photos of Andre the Giant. To my surprise it's picked up over 71k shares and has had all kinds of people who used to know Andre commenting and sharing memories of him. Didn't expect such a huge response to it but it's been great. 


Thanks and big up the BOD!

Have you been invited to the battle royale, too?

The Coliseum Video Rant: Andre The Giant

The Coliseum Video Rant – Andre The Giant I’ve decided that I kinda like the single-show format for these, so that’s what I’m gonna go with from now on. Saves me having to come up with goofy subtitles, too. I think the point of this tape is pretty self-evident.

Hosted by Lord Alfred Hayes, who relates a story about meeting 17 year old Andre in Europe in the 60s. Andre the Giant v. Moondog Rex From the Spectrum, and shot on what appears to be 16MM film rather than videotape. Andre takes Rex down with a headlock and whips him around the ring like a child, then finishes with a big boot and splash at 1:50. Clearly Andre was not paid by the hour. Andre beating the shit out of dudes is always great. 1 for 1. Battle Royale! This is from Jersey and the Murdoch/Adonis team would place this around late 84. We’ve got Slaughter, Adonis, Murdoch, Studd, Andre, Pat Patterson, Hulk Hogan, Paul Orndorff, Tiger Chung Lee, Iron Sheik, Mil Mascaras, Tito Santana, Jimmy Snuka and a few others that flew by too fast. There’s some giant star power in this one. Usual messy schmoz and after a couple of dead weights are tossed, Sheik eliminates Slaughter to trigger a brawl between them. Murdoch tosses Snuka off-camera and an annoyed Andre starts tossing guys, although the camera misses most of them. Three heels team up and get rid of Hogan, triggering a pretty good Hogan-Studd brawl that would appear to foreshadow the next show. Finally it’s a weird final four, with Andre, Murdoch, Adonis and generic Russian Alexis Smirnoff. The three heels team up on Andre, but he gets annoyed again and everyone goes flying to give Andre the win after a trademark Adonis corner flip at 11:05. Eh, it’s a battle royale. 1 for 2. Andre the Giant v. Giant Goliath & Black Gordman These two goofs are not as fearsome as their names would indicate. No idea where or when it’s from, but it looks old. There’s a false front row set up to sell the gimmick that Andre throws his opponents into the front row too often, and thus no one is allowed to sit there. So I guess someone’s constantly getting thrown into 75% of the seats in arenas that TNA runs, and that’s why no one is allowed to sit in THOSE seats. Makes sense. To demonstrate this, Andre throws one of the poor geeks in the front row, before they actually manage the miracle of taking him down! Andre even sells a couple of punches and one of the dweebs gets a foreign object and works Andre over with that, but Andre manhandles them like they’re toys and sits on them for the pin at 6:52. 1 for 3. Andre the Giant v. Jack Evans, Johnny Rodz & Joe Butcher Nova As Alfred notes, this is a bit more of a fair fight. Andre does some of the same spots as he did with the other two jobbers before, and fights off several dogpile attempts, and again Andre piles all three guys up and pins them at 3:20. I liked this one a bit more because the 3-on-1 deal was more of a spectacle and it was much more to the point. 2 for 4. Boxing Match: Andre the Giant v. Gorilla Monsoon This is from the famous Puerto Rico show where a rainstorm pounded the ring all show. Terrible “match” with Andre finishing him with a KO at 5:00. 2 for 5. Andre the Giant & Jimmy Snuka v. The Wild Samoans Snuka quickly gets caught in the Samoan corner and he’s so baffled by Afa trying to explain if and how they’re related that he gets beat on without any defense. And that shit just goes ON and ON. Finally even Andre is bored of waiting around and Snuka takes the hint and makes the hot tag. The crowd goes APESHIT and Andre destroys the Samoans and headbutts the shit out of poor Sika, allowing Snuka to climb onto Andre’s shoulders and finish with the Superfly splash at 9:00. The heat segment was dull as dishwater but the finish was MOLTEN. 3 for 6. The Masked Superstar v. Andre The Giant This was Bill Eadie’s last MSG appearance before making his return as Demolition Ax a couple of years later, and I believe this is from the undercard of one of the MTV shows. Andre overpowers him and tosses him around the ring, but Superstar manages to take him down and put him in the cobra clutch. Andre pulls at the mask to force a break, and sits on him to finish at 7:00. Meh. 3 for 7. Big John Studd & Ken Patera v. SD Jones & Andre the Giant From WWF TV in early 85. Jones does OK against Patera for a bit, but gets caught in the corner and whipped like the proverbial government mule. Patera dumps Jones and Andre just decides to come in and exact some vigilante justice, but the heels manage to double-team him until the ref calls for the DQ at 4:00. And with Andre down, they CUT HIS HAIR and Vince declares that they’re RAPING HIS DIGNITY. Fans are so pissed off that they’re throwing trash into the ring and everything. Classic stuff. 4 for 8. Andre appears on TNT with Vince to discuss his impending Wrestlemania match with Studd. And they throw to… Andre the Giant v. Ken Patera From MSG, as Andre’s revenge tour begins. Andre quite thoroughly beats on Patera and steps on him, then takes him to the floor and whips him into the railing to boot. This prompts Bobby to come in and attack Andre with brass knuckles, drawing the DQ. Andre calmly continues kicking both of their asses and lays an EPIC beating on Bobby. Heenan’s sell of Andre slapping him around should be taught in classrooms. Not exciting, but it was total destruction by Andre from start to finish as the heels got everything that was coming to them. I can’t imagine fans not getting their money’s worth out of this one. 5 for 9. Bodyslam Challenge: Andre the Giant v. Big John Studd From Wrestlemania, of course, with Studd putting up $15,000 against Andre’s career. We’ve covered this one enough, it’s terrible, we all know it. Andre of course slams Studd and throws the gimmicked money bag into the crowd. 5 for 10. The Pulse At .500 it’s right at the cutoff for a recommendation, although way too much time is taken up by the two handicap matches. It’s Andre, you know what you’re getting anyway. Next time: Best of the WWF Volume 2!

Silver Anniversary of Hogan v. Andre

With February 5 being the 25th anniversary of The Main Event with

Hogan V. Andre (drawing 33 million viewers) I was wondering what you
thought about the idea of a Hogan/Andre rivalry DVD. Would it sell, or
would people today just not care?  Here’s how I would do it:

Hogan vs. Andre 8-9-80 (Shea Stadium) with new commentary
Segment that talks about Hogan jumping to AWA, becoming friends with Andre
Hogan & Andre vs. Bobby Heenan Family 11-7-82
Segment that talks about everyone jumping to the WWF(E)
Segment that talks about Hogan & Andre kickstarting Wrestlemania and SNME
Hogan & Andre vs. Bundy & Studd 11-2-85 (SNME)
Segment that gives the rundown of Andre turning heel, challenging Hogan
Hogan & Andre in the SNME Battle Royal 3-14-87
Hogan vs. Andre  3-29-1987 (Wrestlemania III)
Segment that talks about the two kickstarting the Survivor Series
Team Hogan vs. Team Andre 11-26-1987 (Survivor Series)
Segment about DiBiase trying to buy the title and hiring Andre
Segment about Hogan & Andre signing a contract at the first Royal Rumble
Hogan vs. Andre 2-5-88 (The Main Event)
Segment about DiBiase being stripped
Hogan vs. Andre in a steel cage 7-31-88
Segment about the leadup to the first Summerslam
The Megapowers vs. the Megabucks 8-29-88 (Summerslam)

No five star matches to be sure, but a heck of a story.


I don’t think people would care enough, to be honest, but this is the kind of thing that BEGS for an on-demand DVD service to be started up.