Ratingz

I saw this on the Death Valley Driver board and was wondering what your take was. I don’t get The Observer but I’ve seen these ratings eb and flow blurbs posted from there on the DVD board quite a few times and they’re pretty interesting. Also, feel free to post for blog fodder. Do you think this will be used as any sort of indictment on CM Punk and the new “geek revolution” and if so, is it justified or just jumping the gun? Also, it looks to me like every segment lost viewers except Cena’s so it’s hard to pinpoint one thing wrong with the show. Reminds of a line from Disco Inferno’s shoot where he said he got bitched out by Nash for going two minutes too long and his segment losing to the WWF in a quarter and Disco reminded him, “Kevin, we’re losing ALL the quarter hours.”.

The big story here was the main event. The overrun for the C.M. Punk & Zack Ryder & Daniel Bryan vs. Alberto Del Rio & The Miz & Dolph Ziggler match gained 59,000 viewers. That’s almost impossible given people tune in to see the following show, which basically meant wrestling fans must have been tuning out in droves (they were during the first half of the match but then started gaining at 11 p.m., but hardly gained anything). The main event did a 2.67 rating (2.55 for the first half of the match) which had to be, probably by far, the lowest rated main event on Raw of this year and maybe the lowest since 1997 for a non-holiday show in the regular time slot.

I’m not the least bit shocked.  The guys in the main event have all been booked to lose consistently before winning their titles, so why should fans buy into them as legitimate main eventers?  This is WWE’s whole self-fulfilling prophecy thing, where they don’t think that anyone but Cena & Orton can get over as top guys, so they make sure no one does.  This is really a situation where a legitimate separate brand would do a world of good, because with Ziggler and Ryder getting hot on RAW but not being real main event guys, you could send them to another show where they’d instantly be treated as a big deal and could main event and get out from under the shadow of Cena.  They probably could still do that, in fact, since Orton is mainly on RAW at this point anyway. 

Ratingz

I saw this on the Death Valley Driver board and was wondering what your take was. I don’t get The Observer but I’ve seen these ratings eb and flow blurbs posted from there on the DVD board quite a few times and they’re pretty interesting. Also, feel free to post for blog fodder. Do you think this will be used as any sort of indictment on CM Punk and the new “geek revolution” and if so, is it justified or just jumping the gun? Also, it looks to me like every segment lost viewers except Cena’s so it’s hard to pinpoint one thing wrong with the show. Reminds of a line from Disco Inferno’s shoot where he said he got bitched out by Nash for going two minutes too long and his segment losing to the WWF in a quarter and Disco reminded him, “Kevin, we’re losing ALL the quarter hours.”.

The big story here was the main event. The overrun for the C.M. Punk & Zack Ryder & Daniel Bryan vs. Alberto Del Rio & The Miz & Dolph Ziggler match gained 59,000 viewers. That’s almost impossible given people tune in to see the following show, which basically meant wrestling fans must have been tuning out in droves (they were during the first half of the match but then started gaining at 11 p.m., but hardly gained anything). The main event did a 2.67 rating (2.55 for the first half of the match) which had to be, probably by far, the lowest rated main event on Raw of this year and maybe the lowest since 1997 for a non-holiday show in the regular time slot.

I’m not the least bit shocked.  The guys in the main event have all been booked to lose consistently before winning their titles, so why should fans buy into them as legitimate main eventers?  This is WWE’s whole self-fulfilling prophecy thing, where they don’t think that anyone but Cena & Orton can get over as top guys, so they make sure no one does.  This is really a situation where a legitimate separate brand would do a world of good, because with Ziggler and Ryder getting hot on RAW but not being real main event guys, you could send them to another show where they’d instantly be treated as a big deal and could main event and get out from under the shadow of Cena.  They probably could still do that, in fact, since Orton is mainly on RAW at this point anyway. 

Ratingz

I saw this on the Death Valley Driver board and was wondering what your take was. I don’t get The Observer but I’ve seen these ratings eb and flow blurbs posted from there on the DVD board quite a few times and they’re pretty interesting. Also, feel free to post for blog fodder. Do you think this will be used as any sort of indictment on CM Punk and the new “geek revolution” and if so, is it justified or just jumping the gun? Also, it looks to me like every segment lost viewers except Cena’s so it’s hard to pinpoint one thing wrong with the show. Reminds of a line from Disco Inferno’s shoot where he said he got bitched out by Nash for going two minutes too long and his segment losing to the WWF in a quarter and Disco reminded him, “Kevin, we’re losing ALL the quarter hours.”.

The big story here was the main event. The overrun for the C.M. Punk & Zack Ryder & Daniel Bryan vs. Alberto Del Rio & The Miz & Dolph Ziggler match gained 59,000 viewers. That’s almost impossible given people tune in to see the following show, which basically meant wrestling fans must have been tuning out in droves (they were during the first half of the match but then started gaining at 11 p.m., but hardly gained anything). The main event did a 2.67 rating (2.55 for the first half of the match) which had to be, probably by far, the lowest rated main event on Raw of this year and maybe the lowest since 1997 for a non-holiday show in the regular time slot.

I’m not the least bit shocked.  The guys in the main event have all been booked to lose consistently before winning their titles, so why should fans buy into them as legitimate main eventers?  This is WWE’s whole self-fulfilling prophecy thing, where they don’t think that anyone but Cena & Orton can get over as top guys, so they make sure no one does.  This is really a situation where a legitimate separate brand would do a world of good, because with Ziggler and Ryder getting hot on RAW but not being real main event guys, you could send them to another show where they’d instantly be treated as a big deal and could main event and get out from under the shadow of Cena.  They probably could still do that, in fact, since Orton is mainly on RAW at this point anyway. 

Ratingz

I saw this on the Death Valley Driver board and was wondering what your take was. I don’t get The Observer but I’ve seen these ratings eb and flow blurbs posted from there on the DVD board quite a few times and they’re pretty interesting. Also, feel free to post for blog fodder. Do you think this will be used as any sort of indictment on CM Punk and the new “geek revolution” and if so, is it justified or just jumping the gun? Also, it looks to me like every segment lost viewers except Cena’s so it’s hard to pinpoint one thing wrong with the show. Reminds of a line from Disco Inferno’s shoot where he said he got bitched out by Nash for going two minutes too long and his segment losing to the WWF in a quarter and Disco reminded him, “Kevin, we’re losing ALL the quarter hours.”.

The big story here was the main event. The overrun for the C.M. Punk & Zack Ryder & Daniel Bryan vs. Alberto Del Rio & The Miz & Dolph Ziggler match gained 59,000 viewers. That’s almost impossible given people tune in to see the following show, which basically meant wrestling fans must have been tuning out in droves (they were during the first half of the match but then started gaining at 11 p.m., but hardly gained anything). The main event did a 2.67 rating (2.55 for the first half of the match) which had to be, probably by far, the lowest rated main event on Raw of this year and maybe the lowest since 1997 for a non-holiday show in the regular time slot.

I’m not the least bit shocked.  The guys in the main event have all been booked to lose consistently before winning their titles, so why should fans buy into them as legitimate main eventers?  This is WWE’s whole self-fulfilling prophecy thing, where they don’t think that anyone but Cena & Orton can get over as top guys, so they make sure no one does.  This is really a situation where a legitimate separate brand would do a world of good, because with Ziggler and Ryder getting hot on RAW but not being real main event guys, you could send them to another show where they’d instantly be treated as a big deal and could main event and get out from under the shadow of Cena.  They probably could still do that, in fact, since Orton is mainly on RAW at this point anyway. 

Smackdown v. RAW 2011

Dammit, I missed the free UFC 141 beta on Xbox Live.  Not that 25,000 people is a heck of a lot, so it was probably sold out by the morning.  Anyway, being the cheap bastard that I am, I waited until I could get Smackdown v. RAW 2011 for cheap, and that ideal price point for me ended up being $9.99 for a used copy from the dying Rogers Video.  Best part was that the (inherently stupid) “Online Axxess” codes were still good, meaning I also got Bret Hart and Chris Masters for free.  At any rate, I am having a lot of fun playing around in Universe mode right now, although I haven’t tried the Road To Wrestlemania mode.  I actually don’t mind the control scheme, as the right analog grapple system is fairly intuitive, even though it feels like guys have the same four moves over and over.  I’m not a big fan of the stipulation matches, as ladder matches are nigh impossible to win against the computer and I found tables matches to be a pain as well.  The thing I like about Universe mode, though, is that it allows you to be disconnected from the action and act more as a booker.  Because you’re not playing as one person in particular (or you can play it that way if you like) you don’t tend to take it personally if, say, Shawn Michaels interferes and superkicks you to give HHH the #1 contender spot.  I kind of like that sort of laid-back attitude.  Because if you really WANT to have your favorite guy be champion, you can always just MAKE him champion.  Although the one thing that’s really bugging me (besides the overplay of certain theme songs as background music) is that you can’t edit appearances of the non-created wrestlers.  Zack Ryder has the goofy half-tights, and there’s no way to change it.  It’s a small thing, but it really takes me out of the game when I’m not able to update things the way I want it. At any rate, I’m enjoying it immensely thus far, especially given that I basically got it for nothing. 

Smackdown v. RAW 2011

Dammit, I missed the free UFC 141 beta on Xbox Live.  Not that 25,000 people is a heck of a lot, so it was probably sold out by the morning.  Anyway, being the cheap bastard that I am, I waited until I could get Smackdown v. RAW 2011 for cheap, and that ideal price point for me ended up being $9.99 for a used copy from the dying Rogers Video.  Best part was that the (inherently stupid) “Online Axxess” codes were still good, meaning I also got Bret Hart and Chris Masters for free.  At any rate, I am having a lot of fun playing around in Universe mode right now, although I haven’t tried the Road To Wrestlemania mode.  I actually don’t mind the control scheme, as the right analog grapple system is fairly intuitive, even though it feels like guys have the same four moves over and over.  I’m not a big fan of the stipulation matches, as ladder matches are nigh impossible to win against the computer and I found tables matches to be a pain as well.  The thing I like about Universe mode, though, is that it allows you to be disconnected from the action and act more as a booker.  Because you’re not playing as one person in particular (or you can play it that way if you like) you don’t tend to take it personally if, say, Shawn Michaels interferes and superkicks you to give HHH the #1 contender spot.  I kind of like that sort of laid-back attitude.  Because if you really WANT to have your favorite guy be champion, you can always just MAKE him champion.  Although the one thing that’s really bugging me (besides the overplay of certain theme songs as background music) is that you can’t edit appearances of the non-created wrestlers.  Zack Ryder has the goofy half-tights, and there’s no way to change it.  It’s a small thing, but it really takes me out of the game when I’m not able to update things the way I want it. At any rate, I’m enjoying it immensely thus far, especially given that I basically got it for nothing. 

Smackdown v. RAW 2011

Dammit, I missed the free UFC 141 beta on Xbox Live.  Not that 25,000 people is a heck of a lot, so it was probably sold out by the morning.  Anyway, being the cheap bastard that I am, I waited until I could get Smackdown v. RAW 2011 for cheap, and that ideal price point for me ended up being $9.99 for a used copy from the dying Rogers Video.  Best part was that the (inherently stupid) “Online Axxess” codes were still good, meaning I also got Bret Hart and Chris Masters for free.  At any rate, I am having a lot of fun playing around in Universe mode right now, although I haven’t tried the Road To Wrestlemania mode.  I actually don’t mind the control scheme, as the right analog grapple system is fairly intuitive, even though it feels like guys have the same four moves over and over.  I’m not a big fan of the stipulation matches, as ladder matches are nigh impossible to win against the computer and I found tables matches to be a pain as well.  The thing I like about Universe mode, though, is that it allows you to be disconnected from the action and act more as a booker.  Because you’re not playing as one person in particular (or you can play it that way if you like) you don’t tend to take it personally if, say, Shawn Michaels interferes and superkicks you to give HHH the #1 contender spot.  I kind of like that sort of laid-back attitude.  Because if you really WANT to have your favorite guy be champion, you can always just MAKE him champion.  Although the one thing that’s really bugging me (besides the overplay of certain theme songs as background music) is that you can’t edit appearances of the non-created wrestlers.  Zack Ryder has the goofy half-tights, and there’s no way to change it.  It’s a small thing, but it really takes me out of the game when I’m not able to update things the way I want it. At any rate, I’m enjoying it immensely thus far, especially given that I basically got it for nothing. 

Smackdown v. RAW 2011

Dammit, I missed the free UFC 141 beta on Xbox Live.  Not that 25,000 people is a heck of a lot, so it was probably sold out by the morning.  Anyway, being the cheap bastard that I am, I waited until I could get Smackdown v. RAW 2011 for cheap, and that ideal price point for me ended up being $9.99 for a used copy from the dying Rogers Video.  Best part was that the (inherently stupid) “Online Axxess” codes were still good, meaning I also got Bret Hart and Chris Masters for free.  At any rate, I am having a lot of fun playing around in Universe mode right now, although I haven’t tried the Road To Wrestlemania mode.  I actually don’t mind the control scheme, as the right analog grapple system is fairly intuitive, even though it feels like guys have the same four moves over and over.  I’m not a big fan of the stipulation matches, as ladder matches are nigh impossible to win against the computer and I found tables matches to be a pain as well.  The thing I like about Universe mode, though, is that it allows you to be disconnected from the action and act more as a booker.  Because you’re not playing as one person in particular (or you can play it that way if you like) you don’t tend to take it personally if, say, Shawn Michaels interferes and superkicks you to give HHH the #1 contender spot.  I kind of like that sort of laid-back attitude.  Because if you really WANT to have your favorite guy be champion, you can always just MAKE him champion.  Although the one thing that’s really bugging me (besides the overplay of certain theme songs as background music) is that you can’t edit appearances of the non-created wrestlers.  Zack Ryder has the goofy half-tights, and there’s no way to change it.  It’s a small thing, but it really takes me out of the game when I’m not able to update things the way I want it. At any rate, I’m enjoying it immensely thus far, especially given that I basically got it for nothing. 

Test

Scott,
There has been plenty of commentary on Survivor Series 1999, where Big Show subbed for the injured Steve Austin, and many thought Test would be the surprise replacement.  Do you think it would have been worth a Test WWF Title win in that scenario?  Even if it was to just set up the rematch and Stephanie turn the next month at Armageddon?

Given that they obviously wanted to continue pushing him in 2001, I’d say yeah, it was worth hotshotting the belt onto him instead of Big Show there.  That way you pay off his wedding betrayal, and it makes HHH & Steph look all the worse when he gets screwed over and loses the title back.  Plus hey, you never know if you’re gonna make a new star.  Obviously time went on and he didn’t really get any better, but we didn’t know that at the time.

Test

Scott,
There has been plenty of commentary on Survivor Series 1999, where Big Show subbed for the injured Steve Austin, and many thought Test would be the surprise replacement.  Do you think it would have been worth a Test WWF Title win in that scenario?  Even if it was to just set up the rematch and Stephanie turn the next month at Armageddon?

Given that they obviously wanted to continue pushing him in 2001, I’d say yeah, it was worth hotshotting the belt onto him instead of Big Show there.  That way you pay off his wedding betrayal, and it makes HHH & Steph look all the worse when he gets screwed over and loses the title back.  Plus hey, you never know if you’re gonna make a new star.  Obviously time went on and he didn’t really get any better, but we didn’t know that at the time.

Test

Scott,
There has been plenty of commentary on Survivor Series 1999, where Big Show subbed for the injured Steve Austin, and many thought Test would be the surprise replacement.  Do you think it would have been worth a Test WWF Title win in that scenario?  Even if it was to just set up the rematch and Stephanie turn the next month at Armageddon?

Given that they obviously wanted to continue pushing him in 2001, I’d say yeah, it was worth hotshotting the belt onto him instead of Big Show there.  That way you pay off his wedding betrayal, and it makes HHH & Steph look all the worse when he gets screwed over and loses the title back.  Plus hey, you never know if you’re gonna make a new star.  Obviously time went on and he didn’t really get any better, but we didn’t know that at the time.

Test

Scott,
There has been plenty of commentary on Survivor Series 1999, where Big Show subbed for the injured Steve Austin, and many thought Test would be the surprise replacement.  Do you think it would have been worth a Test WWF Title win in that scenario?  Even if it was to just set up the rematch and Stephanie turn the next month at Armageddon?

Given that they obviously wanted to continue pushing him in 2001, I’d say yeah, it was worth hotshotting the belt onto him instead of Big Show there.  That way you pay off his wedding betrayal, and it makes HHH & Steph look all the worse when he gets screwed over and loses the title back.  Plus hey, you never know if you’re gonna make a new star.  Obviously time went on and he didn’t really get any better, but we didn’t know that at the time.

Back To Benoit

Scott,
Before real-life events changed everything, what was the first point you realistically thought Chris Benoit could have become World Champion in a promotion?  He was of course an internet darling for years before he got any kind of legitimate push, but before his Wrestlemania XX win, do you think there was an earlier time he could have won the big one?  The 2000 feud with The Rock seemed like a candidate to me.  His return from injury in 2002 could have led to a HHH-Benoit World Title match at WM19 (in lieu of the HHH-Booker mess).

He should have won the title from Steve Austin in 2001, although subsequent injuries would have made that a disastrous choice on WWE’s part.  But still, they did the RAW and Smackdown tapings in Calgary/Edmonton with Benoit v. Austin on top both times, and he was at the point where he could have carried the belt for at least a couple of months.  By 2004, they were clearly moving onto the next wave of guys (Cena, Orton, etc) and there wasn’t going to be any wiggle room at the top for anyone other than someone to make younger guys into stars. 

Back To Benoit

Scott,
Before real-life events changed everything, what was the first point you realistically thought Chris Benoit could have become World Champion in a promotion?  He was of course an internet darling for years before he got any kind of legitimate push, but before his Wrestlemania XX win, do you think there was an earlier time he could have won the big one?  The 2000 feud with The Rock seemed like a candidate to me.  His return from injury in 2002 could have led to a HHH-Benoit World Title match at WM19 (in lieu of the HHH-Booker mess).

He should have won the title from Steve Austin in 2001, although subsequent injuries would have made that a disastrous choice on WWE’s part.  But still, they did the RAW and Smackdown tapings in Calgary/Edmonton with Benoit v. Austin on top both times, and he was at the point where he could have carried the belt for at least a couple of months.  By 2004, they were clearly moving onto the next wave of guys (Cena, Orton, etc) and there wasn’t going to be any wiggle room at the top for anyone other than someone to make younger guys into stars. 

Back To Benoit

Scott,
Before real-life events changed everything, what was the first point you realistically thought Chris Benoit could have become World Champion in a promotion?  He was of course an internet darling for years before he got any kind of legitimate push, but before his Wrestlemania XX win, do you think there was an earlier time he could have won the big one?  The 2000 feud with The Rock seemed like a candidate to me.  His return from injury in 2002 could have led to a HHH-Benoit World Title match at WM19 (in lieu of the HHH-Booker mess).

He should have won the title from Steve Austin in 2001, although subsequent injuries would have made that a disastrous choice on WWE’s part.  But still, they did the RAW and Smackdown tapings in Calgary/Edmonton with Benoit v. Austin on top both times, and he was at the point where he could have carried the belt for at least a couple of months.  By 2004, they were clearly moving onto the next wave of guys (Cena, Orton, etc) and there wasn’t going to be any wiggle room at the top for anyone other than someone to make younger guys into stars. 

Back To Benoit

Scott,
Before real-life events changed everything, what was the first point you realistically thought Chris Benoit could have become World Champion in a promotion?  He was of course an internet darling for years before he got any kind of legitimate push, but before his Wrestlemania XX win, do you think there was an earlier time he could have won the big one?  The 2000 feud with The Rock seemed like a candidate to me.  His return from injury in 2002 could have led to a HHH-Benoit World Title match at WM19 (in lieu of the HHH-Booker mess).

He should have won the title from Steve Austin in 2001, although subsequent injuries would have made that a disastrous choice on WWE’s part.  But still, they did the RAW and Smackdown tapings in Calgary/Edmonton with Benoit v. Austin on top both times, and he was at the point where he could have carried the belt for at least a couple of months.  By 2004, they were clearly moving onto the next wave of guys (Cena, Orton, etc) and there wasn’t going to be any wiggle room at the top for anyone other than someone to make younger guys into stars. 

In The Era Tonight…

Hey Scott, was thinking about this the other day and maybe it’s something you can post on your blog for discussion(considering many of your readers are in their early 20’s) I notice that a lot of today’s wrestling fans who are in their early to mid-twenties are the main group who boo John Cena.  They don’t like how he is shoved down our throats, they also don’t like how the PG era is shoved down their throats as well.  This got me thinking, that this particular group never really had a ‘wrestling era’ of their own. I am in my early thirties so I was lucky to have 2 era’s, the cartoonish Rock N’ Wrestling/Hulkamania era when I was 8, then the business grew with me and I got the Attitude Era when I was in my late teens and early 20’s.  You are older than me(not taking a shot at you) and you had the great territorial wrestling of Jim Crockett Promotions, AWA, World Class, Mid-South, early WCW and you also got to enjoy the Attitude era.  The New Generation era in 1995 and 1996 was kind of a limbo period for me. Skip ahead to now, the PG/John Cena era which is targeted to the little kids probably til age 15.  My point is that it seems that wrestling/WWE skipped a generation and people today who are in their early 20’s and late teens never got an era for themselves.  They weren’t born during the Hogan era, were too young to watch the Attitude era and now they are getting the PG era shoved down their throats.  From late 2001 to 2007, WWE kind of was in limbo in figuring out what they wanted their product to be.  We had the InVasion, Ruthless Aggression, Brand Extentions, but no era was defined.  Eventually they decided they wanted to target the younger kids, so they went PG and everyone who is in their early 20’s kind of missed out. I guess my question to you and your readers(especially those in their late teens and early 20’s) is do you feel almost cheated that you didn’t get an ‘era’ to call your own?   Does that in turn make you hate today’s PG product even more and want to boo the top star?  Most people boo Cena because they want him to be the edgy Cena that he was in 2003-2004(an Attitude era character).  I don’t mind Cena, I figure since I had Hogan/Warrior and then Rock/Austin to cheer, I let today’s younger kids enjoy their ‘Hulk Hogan’ so I just cheer him too.  I also think wrestling is a cycle and their will be another ‘Attitude type era’ that will be targeted towards these same young kids.  It will start when these kids grow up and get tired of Cena(like I did with Hogan)  Then WWE will turn Cena and it should be as big as Hogan’s turn in 1996.  But that’s a discussion for another day.

Wrestling is not necessarily cyclical, and trying to reproduce past “eras” of the past in hoping for the same returns is the same kind of thinking that led to Vince Russo’s WCW tenure.  That being said, I wouldn’t generally say I’m booing or cheering Cena, I’m more just indifferent to his act and waiting for something else to come along on top.  For instance, I’d call myself an active fan of Ziggler, Ryder and CM Punk at the moment, and I would go to a live show and happily boo Mark Henry, but Cena just doesn’t inspire much reaction in me one way or the other.