I’m slowly working my way through nitro and Thunder on the network, I’m up to spring of 98 and I’m seeing the Goldberg push in detail for the 1st time. Without any real programme in his first 6 months (well apart from the crap with Mongo) he caught on like nobody I’ve seen before or since.
So to actually get round to my question, one of the oddest knocks I’ve seen on him at times online is that anyone would have gotten over with such a push but isn’t that just complete bs? Dude got over beating Scotty Riggs and Jim Powers whilst it took 6 months of Lesnar wrestling to crickets before finally beating Hogan and Rock to get half the reaction Goldberg got as just one example. So was he lucky right time right place or a true once in a lifetime phenom, what say you?
They were waiting for the bad press to blow over and it keeps getting badder for them.
Hey Scott, some more questions from the 93/94 WWF era:
1) after being made the unquestionable undisputed Intercontinental champion in a phenomenal ladder match at WM X, Razor dropped the title a month later already against Diesel. What the hell? Way to make the title prestigious. Just so Razor could enter the KOTR (and getting to the final) without the belt?
2) wouldn’t 93/94 have been the perfect time to bring in Sting? Whether as replacement for Lex (take a drink) or teaming up with Lex (kayfabe past in WCW, real life friends) to keep him fresh after his Summerslam choking (take a drink)….
3) as good as the Backlund heel turn was, and he played it perfectly, he had so little credibility as a threat after two years of jobbing to the big names. Suddenly being dangerous and threatening came out of nowhere, and the Survivors title win was just unnecessary. Bret dropping the strap at MSG against Diesel in a competitive match would have been better I think
4) Tatanka seemingly lost all his overness after the Borga loss in the fall of 93. He was basically just there until his heel turn at Summerslam 94. What a waste. Why not a Luger/Tatanka team or something to keep him busy?
5) why not use Lawler as the head of a heel stable in 94 (instead of the horrible Million $ corporation)? Could have pushed young guys like Glen Ruth, Louie Spicolli, Duke Droese this way
Sorry for the longwinded questions, hope you can answer them soon!
1. I think the Kliq guys just really wanted to make sure Diesel got put over huge.
2. I mean, I suppose, but he was making so much guaranteed money with WCW that he would have been stupid to go to the WWF at that point.
3. I completely bought the Backlund heel run. I thought he did a great job playing a legit scary guy.
4. I think they had ideas of what Tatanka could be as a heel, and it just didn’t work.
5. I think Lawler was fine in the role he was in.
So remember your rant on the Brian Pillman DVD and the quote on Pillman’s son: –” We get closing comments from everyone, including Brian Pillman Jr, who is probably destined for a push in wrestling with that name”
Sure enough here he is part of the new Hart Foundation attacking Kevin Sullivan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON_mG4mvJWk Feel old yet?
More and more every day, thanks.
So 2K pretty much said “screw it” this year. Instead of the grand revealing they have been doing past few years before SummerSlam with Austin and Renee Young, they opted to have Rusev and Lana stream 3 parts from their HOUSE. About 2 weeks and a half left before the games released and we still have not gotten any gameplay released other then the same Daniel Bryan Showcase stuff. Big head mode from freaking NBA Jam, a golden AJ Styles and Zombie Triple H. The new match types? Final Deletion and the freaking House Of Horrors match. Worst part? No TOMMASO CIAMPA.
I don’t wanna be that “In my day…” guy, but I’ve bought a few of the modern 2K games and I just can’t figure out the gameplay. I’m horrible at the timing and usually get pinned the first time someone tries it on me. They sure look pretty, but the last next-gen game I really had fun with was WWE All-Stars, which strayed more towards the casual arcade style controls. Plus I got my trusty Raspberry Pi with No Mercy, Virtual Pro Wrestling 64 (English translated!) and Revenge that play 100% awesome to this day. But the last couple of 2K games have popped up on XBox Gamepass, which I’m paying for anyway, so they’re installed on my Xbone if I ever wanted to try them again.
Nice piece of Randy’s WWE title run in ’88-’89
Man, have I mentioned lately how sad I am that he never got to make good with WWE and be celebrated by the crowds like he deserved? Like really, why couldn’t Vince just get over whatever butthurt issue he had years ago?
All the talk with Roman losing to Brock at Greatest Royal Rumble made me wonder: is there any salvation for Roman at this point? It certainly felt his suspension was the WWE’s opportunity to start from Square 1. He bounced back a bit after that, and it’s unfortunate that the Shield reunion was ended prematurely. (I wasn’t digging it, anyway, because it just felt like a vehicle to get Reigns over, and not the unit, but that’s beside the point.)
Everyone says “turn him heel” but I’m not even sure that’d help him at this point — short of dominating the division as a heel champion, which, let’s be honest, doesn’t seem to be in the cards.
So, how do you salvage Reigns? If you were a booker, how would you approach Reigns’ future?
NOT Joe Rivera.
I’d back off a lot, move him to Smackdown and maybe give him the US title or tag titles or something. Ideally he could be an awesome hot tag guy with fellow main event washout Dean Ambrose, and maybe let people WANT to see him pushed again after a while. Alternatively, turn him heel on Smackdown and have the Usos be his muscle, which could also organically turn him into someone people would cheer. I really think getting him off RAW is the biggest thing at this point, but no matter how they proceed, he’s done as a top guy. He’s failed in the main position too many times to salvage and the fans will remember. Back in the old days, this would be when you let your contract expire and then go to WCW to immediately be a fresh top guy, but we don’t have that option any longer so moving to Smackdown is the closest thing.
I listen to quite a lot of podcasts and the general view of Michael Cole falls into 1 of 2 categories: 1) He’s just an obnoxious dork who doesn’t know or care about wrestling or 2) He’s just doing a job where he’s sabotaged from constant micro-managing and no one could possibly pull that job off.
I tend to fall into the camp 2 just based off the fact that he obviously is a hard worker and Vince McMahon is Vince McMahon. Thoughts?
I know WWE 24/7 isn’t around anymore, but go back in your time machine and listen to him calling the Shea Stadium show with Mick Foley, free of Vince interference and left to his own devices. He’s GREAT there, joking around and talking at a much more human pace about stuff that’s actually relevant. I’d lean towards #2.
Everything we read is that the backstage argument about Owens is his conditioning and “he’s fat”? But someone just brought up Mick Foley. He was the least WWE/Vince looking guy and he walked in to a feud with Undertaker and WON! He was made instantly and Taker didn’t get the win back for months. Foley feuded with main eventers his entire WWE career including famous feuds with Austin and Rock.
Bret and Shawn weren’t the WWE style big men. Benoit, Jericho, Eddie were the “vanilla midgets”. Recently, Bryan, Punk, and even Ziggler to an extent aren’t the main event mold. So why suddenly are people making Owens’ look such a big deal?
Normally they wouldn’t, but apparently Kevin Dunn has some sort of beef with Owens and thus here we are. Plus Vince has a habit of defaulting back to the Reigns-Batista-Orton musclehead type when business is down. It is what it is.