Glow ,Did you watch this on Netflix ? It’s good. It’s a shame they didn’t get the original wrestling show too it’d be great to watch it after.

Yup, the show was great and had just the right amount of full frontal Allison Brie.  Which is to say, any amount.  I will say that I've watched enough of the real GLOW for one lifetime though. It doesn't hold up at all.

Turn site

Hi Mate
I was wondering if there is a site anywhere which details where a ppv or wrestling programme tells that there is
ie A Tag Team Split Manager wrestler spilt Heel Turn Face Turn I database my DVDS and want to put a sidenote on my database etc
Never heard of such a thing.  Although tracking Kane and Big Show's turns alone would be a lifetime endeavor.

Coliseum Video

In light of the unreleased matches that looked like they were supposed to be on Coliseum Video but never got there, I wonder who chose which matches from TV Tapings would be for Superstars, Prime Time and Coliseum Video? 
Was it Vince's decision?  How were they chosen, was it just random parings to come up with the exclusive matches?  Were guys happy to do them and did they get paid extra for the exclusive matches that weren't on Superstars or Challenge?

Also why didn't WCW ever pick up on this and do something of their own?  Do you think this type of thing would be good today with Youtube or WWE Network, just have exclusive matches from the Raw and Smackdown shows that
wouldn't make TV?

God, more new content to follow?  No thanks.
WCW was literally a subsidiary of a TV and home video production empire and they couldn't figure out that strategy.  They were stupid. 
WWF guys were happy to do the Coliseum stuff because they got residuals. Well, not Jesse Ventura, but you know…

Hogan to the WWF in 1994?

It's been said that Bischoff and WCW had to load up Hogan's contract offer in 1994 with huge money and incentives to keep Vince from swooping in and matching. Let's say one of the parties gets cold feet at the last minute and either Vince matches or WCW rescinds/Hogan declines, how does 1994 and beyond play out for the two promotions? Does Hogan go right back in to the world title picture with Bret and Diesel? Does he eventually turn heel? Or would he have just end up in WCW eventually anyway since he would have been so miscast in the New Generation era?  

I feel like the relationship would have went South again during the trial and Hogan would have distanced himself and left.  I don't see it playing out well for either side, really.  

Character rip-offs




Carrying on from the question about the Renegade, what’s the best example of a wrestler / character that started as a clear rip-off but went on to massive success of their own?


Demolition (from the Road Warriors)?  Ric Flair (from Buddy Rogers)?  Someone else?

Ironically, Flair started as a Dusty Rhodes tipoff and only swiped from Rogers later on.
I’m gonna go with Hollywood Hogan rebooting Superstar Graham, though.


Before Renegade debuted, they were hyping Hogan and Savages partner as if it was gonna be The Ultimate Warrior. Was that ever in the cards or was it always supposed to be Renegade?

​They had talked to Warrior off and on for years, but in this case it was always Renegade.​

Payoffs from Wrestlemania and other shows

In the Summerslam 91 recap, it's explained that Warrior and Hogan each made $550,000 for their performances at Wrestlemania 7 and $75,000 at Summerslam. Was the buyrate and ticket prices between the two shows as dramatically different as the main eventers' pay?

​Considering Wrestlemania grossed a little over a million total with live gate and closed circuit, I find it highly dubious that Warrior was paid $550,000.  ​The Summerslam payoff is a matter of public record now, but no, the money and PPV for the two shows was not actually that different, and in fact Summerslam nearly outdrew Wrestlemania that year on PPV.  

Who Won Strike Force?

Given the Strike Force's full run before Rick Martel's hiatus was way less than a year, and that in the final analysis the team basically seemed to function to sustain Martel's Can-Am Connection babyface spot and also serve as thrown-together transitional tag champions from the Harts to Demolition, they seem to draw a lot of nostalgia, which I think stems from 1) both were good in the ring, 2) it was the best time for WWF tag teams in the Hulkamania Era, and 3) the post-split rivalry blow-off never felt fully resolved even though Martel scored a couple of wins here and there.

So is it worth settling who was ultimately the better Strike Forcer? Both were pretty enduring and loyal mid-carders; but here's some key areas where I think it can be asked "Who Did it Better?":

-Singles Work: Santana's most important happened pre-Strike Force, with the IC Championship rivalry with Greg Valentine as a peak, while Martel came into his own in WWF as a singles star after when he became "The Model" and had his epic 52-minute Royal Rumble showing.

-Both got used in 1992 to help make Shawn Michaels as a singles competitor. Santana doing it first, and at Wrestlemania, was probably the bigger lift, but Martel's "No One Gets Hit In the Face" match with him at Summerslam was way more entertaining.

-Both were the final opponent for crowning a new long-serving IC Champion – Santana with Mr. Perfect, Martel with Razor Ramon. Pretty tough call – neither match was a classic, really; but each helped put the new champ over convincingly.

Since Martel did win head-to-head I'm tempted to give him the overall win, but Santana never did a "Stumble Around with Bag on Head" match at a Wrestlemania, so…what's your judgment?

And P.S. I'd never known there was a music video for their entrance theme "Girls in Cars". It may represent Peak Terrible 80's:

​Santana wore the same tights for 4 years after the team broke up, so he loses by default.

Hogan in ’92-’93

After WM 8 and before he came back in Feb'93 was there any attempt by Vince to get Hogan back earlier?  When he returned did he get a new deal or was he under the same deal from when he left after WM 8?  Also after he
left again in July'93 after a European tour vs Yokozuna, were there any conversations about Hulk coming back either later in '93 or early '94 before he signed with WCW?

​Vince wanted Hogan out of the picture for a while because of all the drug stuff and the feeling was that Hogan was his own worst enemy anyway with his inability to shut up about it.  However, once Summerslam bombed without Hulk on top, they were absolutely trying to get him to return again, and even once he left in 93 the feeling was that he was coming back again after Summerslam and they'd work things out.  Notably Randy Savage was doing all kinds of grandstand challenges to Hogan, trying to get something going for Wrestlemania X, which of course never panned out.  Some people thought that Hogan was going to broker a big deal from WCW and then use it as leverage and get Vince to match, but that never happened.  ​

Modern day pipebomb

Do you think it's time for another pipebomb style promo?  It's been 6-years since Punk's and I'm looking at a guy like Finn Balor who is massively over with live crowds, and who the WWE obviously had faith in last summer before his injury. He has legitimate arguments to be #1 contender (never lost, beat AJ at TLC) but for "reasons" Vince lost faith in him and now 67 year old Kane is closer to main eventing against Brock. You think giving Finn a live mic to air grievances on Raw would help get his stock back up. Punk was a floundering upper midcard heel before the pipebomb. Finn has already been "snarky" on twitter about his perceived role. If anyone has "it" and needs something to breakout of a midcard hell, it's Finn

I think perhaps actually being booked to win matches against meaningful competition would serve him better.  

Brock Drago?

From today's news update on the Observer site…
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    here was a story going around that Brock Lesnar was in line to play Drago's son in the movie Creed 2. The storyline is that Creed, the son of Apollo Creed, faces the son of the man who killed his father, with Dolph Lundgren back as Ivan Drago. The tease was Brock Lesnar playing Lundgren's son. I was told right now that is more a publicity stunt for the movie and no deal is in play at this point.

bought off wrestling commissions


Reading through the Observers from Vince's "Do No Harm" rise in the mid 80's did anyone besides Crockett running the Clash against Mania IV ever try to use Vince's tactics against him?  Vince would get Jerry Blackwell blocked for medical reasons, afoot the Illinois commission  of the Kerry Von Erich situation, yet no one thought to pay off the Michigan/Indiana commissions on Andre the Giant's health before the Hogan matches in '87-88?  Did they not think as underhanded as Vince, or another example of too cheap to truly fight?

As Jay Z once said…
"Pray for 'em, cause some fools just love to perform
You know the type, loud as a motorbike
But wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight"

Best Year for pre-Bischoff NWA/WCW

Hi Scott, I'm reading stuff from all sorts of years (your recap today from 86, the Observer recaps that up to 1994, some of Nick Temple's year-by-year recap books). I know we all like to say "because WCW" and I was a WWF-only kid, but I get the sense that were times when 80's/90's NWA/WCW was really firing on all cylinders. If I wanted to go back and see the best year, what year would you pick?
My personal favorite was 1989, but Dusty was actually knocking it out of the park in 86 for a while there.  

Flair in the WWF 91-93

When Flair came in in 1991, was it always assumed at some point Herd would be out and he would go back to WCW?  When he came in, was he making the kind of money that guys like Hulk, Macho Man and Warrior were?  What was his relationship like with Vince, and
did he have any say in his creative during his time there?  Do you think WWF ever regretted letting him go back to WCW with the run he had after he came back?

​It was pretty much assumed that it wasn't going to be a long-term thing, mostly because WCW went completely into the toilet when he left and fans were revolting against Luger as the top guy.  Flair had almost no creative control and was basically just doing as he was told, and he certainly wasn't making anywhere near the money that the Hogans and Warriors were.  I don't think Vince ever regretted letting him go, because clearly it wasn't working for either side while he was there.  ​

Sean Oliver Interview

Hey Scott,

Sean Oliver of Kayfabe Commentaries stopped by The Wrestling Estate podcast to promote his new book, share some Iron Sheik stories, play "The Dick Bag" and more. 

I figured since you guys post previews of KC's new videos, your readers may be interested in checking out his new book. It's exactly what you'd hope for and a sleeper pick for best wrestling book of the year (in a year with J.R.'s, AJ Lee's, Jericho's, I know). 

The full interview can be found here: 

Thanks as always,


​.."the Dick Bag"?​

Bad bad BAADD chemistry

Who do you believe had the worst chemistry inside the ring? I nominate DOA (including Chainz, who got his release in June iirc) vs LOD2000 (including green-as-hell Droz), their 98 matches lack any kind of timing, heat and good communication

​I dunno, they were boring but I wouldn't call them outright BAD most of the time.  Goldust in his "the artist" phase seemingly couldn't have a good match if his life depended on it, outside of the one mixed tag match.  Furnas & Lafon were a style clash with literally everyone besides Bulldog & Owen and had some of the worst matches with guys like LOD who were otherwise decent.  ​

WCW 2000 questions

Hi Scott,

Been torturing myself watching the last year of WCW and a few questions so far.

1. Why isn't thunder on the network?  it seems they really tried to make that show important to follow story lines stating in 99

2. What was the deal with Savage returning form a long hiatus to interfere in a battle royal and never heard from again?

3. Whats up with the sporadic appearances of Bret Hart getting involved? was their a chance of him returning to the ring or was it a case of using up contract dates?

I'm only in May so i've got a little less than a year to go, but i'm sue i'll have more questions

​1.  It was supposed to be dropping a couple of months ago, and then it just never materialized.  
2.  That was just "because WCW" weirdness, where they hired him for the one date and then never called him again.  Something with money, I'd assume.  
3.  ​There was no chance of him returning, doctors told him to retire in no uncertain terms.