Worst Finishing Maneuver/Hold?

   What is the worst finishing move/hold you’ve seen a wrestler regularly use as their finisher?  For me nothing looks worse than John Cena’s STF.  He doesn’t even pull up on his opponents jaws when he locks his arms;  He just sort of lays there with both arms crossed underneath their chins.  That doesn’t even look like it would hurt a toddler, much less an average sized pro wrestler. 

 

​I’m used to it by now, so it’s no big deal.  The most jarringly awful move used by someone who should have known better was Rock’s atrocious Sharpshooter, and he won his first World title with it!  Also, the damn Zig Zag.
In general I’d like to also reserve a special circle of wrestling hell for everyone in the bleak period of 2005-2011 who seemingly did some variation of the Overdrive neckbreaker or Roll the Dice as their finish, typically looking completely shitty in the process.   ​

 

Dumb idea that would have been funny


What if at WrestleMania 23 Vince decided to troll Donald Trump and have Lashley job to Umaga? Umaga grabs Donald Trump, sits on him, and Vince shaves his head while cackling like a freak. Ignoring the lawsuit that almost certainly would have commenced as a result of this, I have two questions:

1. Do you think if the world had seen Trump bald 9 years ago, would he be president today?

2. I really like Tye Dillinger and wish he were on tv more (or ever). Do you think he can re-invent himself and make it back up the card at some point?

I realize that second one is extremely unrelated, but since this email is largely a joke, might as well ask a semi-serious question while I’m here.

​Wait, so you're asking if amidst all the stupid and awful things that Donald Trump did before the election, if THAT one thing would be the one to prevent him from getting elected?  I'd say no.
As for Tye, this was the re-invention.  Once they give up on it and let him go to the indies, I don't see him getting another shot.  He can milk this Perfect 10 thing at high school gyms and armories for YEARS and probably do fine for himself, anyway. ​

Too Sweet


Hi Scott,


Are the Young Bucks and Bullet Club the most over non-WWE performers since the end of WCW and ECW? I can't remember seeing t-shirts in the crowd for TNA stars or anyone else for that matter, and in some towns, the number of Bucks/Club t-shirts is quite noticeable on Raw and Smackdown.



​Oh for sure.  Here at the house shows in Saskatoon, there were Bullet Club / Villain Club / Young Bucks merchandise EVERYWHERE, and we don't even have a Hot Topic!  I'm assuming people were buying them online.  ​

“How I Got Over” – Braun Strowman


Amazing!

https://youtu.be/fBwi0Qydal4


Don’t you wish Braun was the one facing and defeating Brock at Wrestlemania instead of Roman?
​I mean, they still can make it a three-way if the really want, I suppose, although having him squash Miz and be IC champion for a while isn't the worst idea.  But yeah, this past September against Brock would have been the perfect time to pull the trigger on him and give it a go.​

Take a drink


It's a Lex Luger question!


Looking back, I don't understand how promoters kept screwing up Lex Luger over and over again?  He had several rocket pushes and then it seemed like always at the last second they didn't pull the trigger on him.  Was it Lex lacking “it”?  Was it politics?  Bad timing?  Promoter greed?

He didn't have charisma or drive, basically.  You can only do so much as a promoter with someone who deep down doesn't care.  See also Sid.

Long Term Champion


Hey Scott. If you're going to book a long term champion – at least one year in length – do you go with a babyface or heel? It seems the popular answer is heel, but could you make a case with Hogan in the 80's? Or is he the exception to the rule?

Also, are there any babyface title runs that you think ended too soon?

Thank you!

I feel like Goldberg and Cena also did fine for themselves as long term champions.  I'd definitely say Goldberg's reigns all ended too soon as well.  
The HHH theory is that the money is in the chase, but there was a SHITLOAD of money in having Hogan best the scary heel of the week in your city twice a year.  Especially given the nature of the house show business now, where they always want to send the fans home happy.

Vince and football question


Is Vince McMahon a football fan? He portrays the XFL as giving the game back to fans, but is he a fan himself? 

​Everything I've ever read about him says no.  In fact, when he was launching the XFL the first time, his press conferences featured references to guys who had retired in the 70s (ex-wrestlers, basically) and had no connection to the current game.  ​
He's just not a REAL fan like I am.  Go footballs!  Movin' the chains!

Benoit as WWE champ in 2005/2006


Any reason Benoit never got another world title run?  Especially in late '05 into '06 after he went to Smackdown and Batista was injured.  He was a more believable main eventer/world champion than Mysterio was and was still having great matches.  Think of the awesome Benoit/Angle WM22 world title match we could have gotten.  Or throw JBL in there too to make it a 3 way wrestling God match.

​They basically wanted to phase him down into a trainer role and Vince just didn't see him at that level after losing the title to Orton.  He was supposed to get the ECW World title and hold that for a while but, you know…

Brother Love & the Undertaker

Hi Scott,
 
Reading Bayless’ recaps of the WWF in 1991 get me to wondering something:
was an explanation ever given—either kayfabe or storyline—as to why the
Undertaker was paired with Brother Love when he first arrived? I get that they
wanted a mouthpiece for the monster heel who doesn’t say much, but why the host
of an interview segment who had never managed anyone before or shown any
inclination towards it? Jimmy Hart, Bobby Heenan and Slick were all still with
the company, why not one of them? Not that any of them fit well with Undertaker
either, but that’s why Paul Bearer eventually got the
job.

​Yeah, the Brother Love thing was a weird fit for me, too.  Obviously they were trying to transition him away from the interview segment, since they had him get destroyed by Ultimate Warrior a few months later, but I don't know that managing was the answer.  
Anyone have insight from Bruce's podcast?  I'm sure he would have talked at length about this subject.​

Sympathy for Enzo


Hey Scott,


Do you find it at all strange that Enzo got basically ZERO sympathy for losing his job based on a rape allegation made by a SELF-ADMITTED crazy person that was almost certainly a lie? I mean everyone basically went, “Pfft, serves him right for not informing WWE higher-ups who are constantly sending mixed messages and demoting/firing people for the most insane reasons possible.”

I mean, I get it that the guy is an ass in real life but, jeez.

I've heard there's way more going on with Enzo where they were essentially looking for a solid reason to cut ties, and legally speaking the most valid one was neglecting to mention an ongoing investigation.  Regardless of the facts of the case, Enzo knew about it for months and WWE basically got blindsided by a rape allegation during a period when :
1) The entertainment world is super sensitive about that subject, and…
B) More importantly, WWE is trying to score a new TV deal worth hundreds of millions.
Didn't matter if it was true or false, he had to go. 

7 hour Manias



Scott


Excellent work on the Blog, always worth reading.


Last year I went to a bar in London that was hosting a WrestleMania party, so about 200 or so grapple fans in together to watch the granddaddy of 'em all.  Now, this is in the U.K., so the pre-show starts at about
10pm and the show goes on until about 5am.  Towards the end of the show, notably during Reigns vs Taker, some people were starting to doze off, and the bouncers of the nightclub were actually threatening to throw people out for being asleep.  Now, throwing
out sleepers is standard bouncer behavior, but don't you think WWE should give some consideration to their international audiences?  If a man gets thrown out of a bar for falling asleep during a Taker match at 4.30am (and I could think of nothing that would
more reasonably send a man to sleep) and he then has literally nowhere else to go at that ungodly hour, shouldn't WWE be answerable in some way to this?  They just don't think of the man on the street when they're engaging in such self-indulgent show running
times!!  I would love to go to a WrestleMania party at this bar again this year, but have legitimate worry of being thrown out because WWE's never-ending show is putting me off.  What would you do??

Sue them!  WE'LL MAKE MILLIONS.

Asuka’s Streak


Let's be honest…


Asuka's streak has been built up so she can put over Reigns at Wrestlemania 35, right?

Also CM Punk, Montreal, the invasion, and Cena heel turn. Hopefully that helps bring in a little ad revenue.

​I just thank the heavens I'm not a YouTuber these days.  For as bad as ad revenue has become this year from Adsense, the YouTube revenue is 10 times worse.  
And obviously there's only one choice to end Asuka's streak:  Big Steph.​

4+1 hours of PPV every month


According to WON, there are strong speculations that all PPV's/specials after WM will include both brands and go for FOUR plus one (kickoff) hours. Thoughts?

​Sure, why not.  Make Roman Reigns the champion and then force everyone to sit through a four hour PPV every month with him as the main event.  If they're gonna do this, they might as well merge the titles back together again, because they don't need two sets of tag and Women's belts defended on every show and we know which brand will be treated as the “real” main event anyway.

IN HINDSIGHT


How stupid was TNA's Monday Night War rehash in 2010? I mean as horrible as some of the ideas around that time were (losing tons of money going on the road and going live for Impact. Hiring Hogan and Bischoff), at least they had some motifs/reasons, as flawed as they were.

What was the reasoning trying to compete with RAW?

​Because it had worked for Bischoff in WCW and he basically only had one playbook to go to by that point.  But the WWE of 2010 was not the same one of 1995, and neither was Bischoff for that matter.  ​

80s wrestling figure commercials



Hey Scott –

 I haven’t been watching some old 80s wrestling commercials on Instagram and YouTube that have popped up and I was noticing that Hogan is not in a lot of them you see a lot of upper mid card guys JYD, Steamboat, Volkoff, Skeik even Piper.

Was this on purpose to make Hulk feel like he was the “superstar”?


​I think it was more that Hulk (and I believe Andre) had their own distinct licensing deals, so you couldn't just stick him in a commercial based on a deal with WWF in general.  ​

What? v. Too Sweet

Hey Scott–

I was live at Raw last night (biggest babyface pop? Jason Jordan is out for neck surgery!) and right behind me some moron tried to get a “What?” chant going right away. He was rather successful, too. 

On the other end, a bunch of knuckleheads across the arena from me tried to get the audience into the whole “one, two, TWO… sweet!” nonsense, but try as they might (ALL NIGHT LONG) they couldn't get close to a majority of the crowd to join in.

It got me thinking: Why is it the “what?” chant is still going strong after 17 goddamn years, but the “one, two, sweet” thing is pretty much relegated to Full Sail (with the occasional appearance at Takeover events)? Is it as simple as one was created by the biggest money draw of all time and the other was generated by a bunch of douchebags in Florida, or is there more to it?

​I don't know, but they're both annoying as hell.

WCW vs ROH

Hey Scott,

Obviously, there's no comparison between WCW at its apex and Ring of Honor, but overall, do you think ROH is more successful than WCW was? I think it's clear that WCW had a bigger cultural or historical impact, but which promotion do you think has been more successful overall when you take into consideration ROH's longevity, consistency (although it's never reached WCW's level of popularity), and even the development or showcasing of new talent? TNA has been around just as long but ROH has more of an argument than simply surviving for 15 or 16 years.

​Dude, at its peak WCW was making enough money to buy and sell ROH about 50 times over.  For whatever reason there's a weird “history written by the winners” retcon that says WCW was always a money-losing black hole of suck, but in 1998 they made more money than any wrestling company, ever.  Including the WWF to that point, although it's impossible to have real numbers from the Hulkamania era.  Yeah, now WWE destroys them due to understanding revenue streams better and having more money in general, but it's unlikely that WCW will ever be touched as #2 wrestling promotion in history, especially not by ROH.  

Question


Hey Scott quick question. Was it Chris Benoit's double murder that effectively also killed chair shots to the head? If the Benoit tragedy never occurs do you figure we still have chair shots to the head?


No, I think it was more the work of Chris Nowinski and bringing attention to concussions that way, plus the overwhelming need to go PG and not scare away any more sponsors.  Chairshots and blood both disappeared in short order once it became obvious that the money was in a clean product.  I don't doubt it was a factor, but either way things were going to change.

Wrestlemania “World” champions

Scott,
One thing the WWF/E used to do well is hold off the coronation of the “new guy” until the main event of WrestleMania.
This is a list of guys who won their first WWE/World titles at WrestleMania
4: Savage
6: Warrior
9: Yokozuna (the Orange Goblin stole his thunder)
12: Michaels
14: Austin
20: That One Guy (although he was World champ in WCW)
21: Cena AND Batista
22: Mysterio
31: Rollins (and he wasn't even advertised in the match)

This is something that seems to be lacking nowadays; having guys' career-making moments in the main event of WrestleMania to get that “stamp of approval.”

Maybe we'll add Shinsuke this year in the third match of the night?

​I think they're opening the show, to be honest.  I also don't think Nakamura is actually getting the title, but we'll see.  It's actually really funny that a company so focused on MAKING WRESTLEMANIA MOMENTS has totally dropped the ball on that one aspect of creating a new star, isn't it?  But that's what happens when you're 100% focused on only creating one star and you have to keep trying to do it multiple times.

Backlash is co-branded Raw and Smackdown PPV?

 

 

See the screenshot of an email I got from Ticketmaster today for the advertised as Raw-only PPV in May. I wonder if this is a one-off or if they’re moving away from dueling PPVs every other week. I mean if it’s a one-off… why Backlash?

 

Maybe it’s like 2012 again where they realized how poorly the SmackDown side was drawing and dropped the branded PPV idea? Vince having a sudden change of heart isn’t exactly unprecedented.