The Case for Extending a Title Run

Hey Scott. Could you make a case for extending the following title runs? Or did they pull the plug at the right time?
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Macho Man in 88/89

​Macho will always be champion of my heart and should have reigned for a thousand years.  Especially as a heel.  ​

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Macho Man in 92

​Eh, not so much here.  It was clearly a failing title reign.  ​

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Bret in 92/93

​If they were going to build to the Hogan match, they should have kept it on him.  Otherwise, they were right to take it off him from a business standpoint.  Other than Yokozuna, they could have tried Mr. Perfect if he was sticking around.  

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Bret in 94

​Tough call.  The business was in freefall and ​it probably wouldn't have mattered who was on top. But better Bret than Diesel.  

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HBK in 96

​Nope, Shawn was poison by November and they probably waited too LONG to take it off him.  
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Triple H in 99 (meaning he wins it from Mankind and we just bypass the whole McMahon and Big Show title wins)

​I'll allow it.  ​

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Jericho in 2002

​That title reign was actually making him a bigger geek by the day.  He was lucky they took it off him.  Either way, Hogan was getting it anyway.  ​

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Benoit in 2004

​Ditto, that title reign was doing him no favors and it was just to set up Orton anyway.  ​

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Punk in 2012 to Royal Rumble 2013

​If you ask Punk he'll say he should still be champ today.  ​

Curtain Call importance



May 19th was the anniversary of the Curtain Call at msg. Meltzer said on twitter that it's importance is revisionist history, but if it's true that HHH was punished by losing his KOTR 96 opportunity and thus Austin 3:16 wins and begins his rise… coupled with the debut of Hall on nitro just a week later; can't the Curtain Call be viewed in a historic lens as a game changer for the industry?

Curtain Call leads to Austin winning KOTR, while NWO rises, which fuels Attitude Era, Austin vs Bret and Triple H and Shawn to start DX. Am I overstating it, or is Dave right that it's all revisionist history

​Everyone knows the most important thing that happened was HHH driving a tank up to 1 CNN Center on RAW and turning around the war.  Everything else is just propaganda.
Regardless, what Dave is talking about is people who act like “OMG KAYFABE WAS SHATTERED” which is ridiculous because Vince and Linda literally testified before numerous commissions in the 80s that wrestling is 100% staged, not to mention the steroid trials. Also not to mention that “Austin 3:16” is itself revisionist history.  Winning KOTR did exactly jackshit for Austin's career in the immediate aftermath, it was Bret Hart campaigning for working with him at Survivor Series, and the character promos that followed, that turned him into a star.  ​

NWO Booking/Other


Hey Scott, was listening to an interview with Kevin Nash, I know, terrible wrestler, even worse booker, but I have to ask. Eric Bischoff takes alot of credit for the NWO, but Nash stated that Greg Gagne was the major force for the NWO, and the gimmick in Japan. Why is this not brought up more? Nash also brought up Sullivan being a genius in booking. What are your thoughts?


Also, who do feel is the first tweener? The first off the top of my head is Nash when he turned on Bret at the rumble. Right after that in interviews he would say if you had glove you get a fist bump, if no, you get nothing. Not a heel in the sense, especially back them.


​Sullivan was always a solid booker, but I don't know that “Genius” is a word I'd use to describe him.  He leaned fairly heavily on the cult stuff in territories he booked.  
And I've always thought “Tweener” is kind of a dumb term.  By the standard definition of the term, though, someone like Flair who feuded simultaneously with heels and babyfaces in the 80s would have to be the answer.  Or even Lou Thesz, who was a “rough babyface”.  ​

Stanley Cup/Million Dollar Belt



 Hey Scott,


Would you say that if the Las Vegas Golden Knight won  the Stanley Cup it would be the equivalent  of Virgil winning the Million Dollar Belt? Can't you just year Bobby Heenan saying, “The next time you see the Cup it will be hanging from the VIP Room at the
Bunny Ranch.”

​I just don't even have the words for this one.  It's not even that I'm a huge Jets fan or anything, but how the holy hell is an expansion team rolling through the playoffs like this in their FIRST YEAR?  
Well, good luck to them in the Finals.  ​

Trips and Billy

It's common knowledge that Triple H is a huge fan of the National Wrestling Alliance. They tried to purchase the NWA Houston Wrestling tape library in 2015 and even went as far as allegedly firing the woman executive who failed to obtain it in the negotiations. Then again in 2016 when Triple H met with Bruce Tharpe and tried to buy it.

Fast forward to 2018 and Billy Corgan now owning the NWA and Paul Boesch's Houston tape library. Do you think there's any way they buy it from Billy Corgan and give him creative control?

They get the tape library, they get the NWA championship they could eventually use for a physical Hall of Fame, and they get a creative guy in Billy Corgan. They couldn't just give him a 30 minute weekly NWA show from Full Sail to do his own thing? Scrap 205 Live and give him all those guys plus some developmental talent.


Ugh, no.  What has Corgan even done with the NWA name to warrant that kind of treatment?  Anyone dumb enough to lend their own money to Dixie Carter is clearly the worst kind of money mark.  HHH should just play the long game and wait until he burns through all his assets and comes knocking on WWE's door looking to sell.  Then they can lowball him like Mr. Burns negotiating with the Germans.

Million Dollar Nightmare

Scott,

Should Ted DiBiase be considered a bigger flop as a manager than Paul Jones and Mr. Fuji due to actually having wrestlers who were supposed to be at the top of the card and his bringing in anti-heat?  At least Paul Jones vs. Jimmy Valiant would get a crowd reaction.
Separately, was there a point in '85-'87 where Hogan could have demanded a portion of the WWF from Vince?

​I wouldn't call Paul Jones a flop.  If anything, he overachieved with the Rude/Fernandez team and then the Powers of Pain.  Other than that he was mostly fine as a midcard goof manager.  It's not like anyone ever thought his guys would be challenging Flair or anything.
Now Fuji was a flop, especially given the amount of heat he would draw as a wrestler.  Dibiase certainly never lived up to the promise of a guy buying out the babyfaces, and that act was possibly a victim of the business changing anyway.  Plus I think it was hard for him to get heat because deep down everyone knew that he was an awesome wrestler who was better than the guys he was managing.  It's a tough line to straddle and Ted never really figured it out.  ​

Pure Mark Moment


Hi Scott,


Has there ever been a match (or series of matches) that you just hated from a technical standard but loved just because the guy you liked won?

I'm not even saying from a dispassionate “that was good booking” POV but purely from a markish “I like that guy and he won so YAY” POV.

​Sure, Demolition beating Andre & Haku at WM6 would be the prime example, I think.  Or to a lesser extent, Demolition beating Strike Force for the titles at WM4.  ​

Ultimate X Match


Let's say Impact goes out of business. Do you think Triple H would ever try the Ultimate X Match in NXT? It seems like it would be different and fun to try it out and ties into with the “nXt” Championship.


Really, they could probably do it now if they really wanted.  I think it'd be a fun addition.

Biker Taker

I've heard mention before (possibly on the BOD) of Undertaker coming back as a biker character in 2000 in anticipation of a move to WCW.

Creatively WCW was on its arse then, and having seen how Bret worked out, plus presumably reports from his friends who worked there, I find it hard to comprehend why Undertaker would even consider going there at that point. 

I'm sure they offered him a lot of money but WWE was riding the Austin wave at the time so my guess is that Vince could easily match it to keep one of his biggest stars.

And from a creative and push standpoint, he was a big deal with a lot of sway at the time, so it couldn't have been that. An easier schedule is the only reason I can think of why he might've considered it. Can you shed any light on what went down?

And finally, if Biker Taker was the plan  for WCW, why did Vince allow that gimmick change, knowing it was making it easier for Taker to transition to a more realistic character, which in turn would have helped WCW had they gotten hold of him?

Thanks!

​I dunno, a lot of that was based on stuff supposedly said by Kevin Nash, who has been known to be full of crap on occasion.  The timeline, as has been pointed out by others, just doesn't work out.  Like who in their right mind would be jumping TO WCW in 2000?  I've never bought it as a serious theory.​

Research on Women’s Wrestling

Hi Scott, 


My name is Dr Tom Phillips (no, not that one), and I'm a researcher at the UEA in Norwich, UK, writing about the state of women's wrestling today.  


I'm asking people to head to www.wrestlingresearch.net/fan-survey/ to take 10-15 minutes to complete a short survey about women's wrestling. Whether people love it (or possibly even hate it), I want to hear from
them! I want to try and capture as many opinions as possible. 


I would love to hear from posters on the BoD to hear what they have to say. Thanks all for your time! 

​Wait, Norwich?  Is this Paige?  ​

King of The Ring 1994

Hey Scott!

Love the stuff. Keep killing it!

I was watching 1993-1994 and came across the GEM OF A SHOW King of the Ring 1994. And the questions I have about it.

1). I get it, Bret Hart wasn't a huge draw, so he's in the middle of the show vs Diesel…BUT WHY IS LAWLER VS RODDY MAIN EVENTING?

2). Lex Lugar, who, yes, we all know WASN'T THE GUY….didn't even make the tourney/show after literally being in a main spot the whole year…was that just because REASONS?

3). Was Shawn hurt? Or they just wanted to keep him away?

4). No Quebeccers? They ran the Tag Divison for a long time this era, and lose on a Raw match (which wasn't awful might I add), and get no rematch or anything? WHEN DO THEY GET IN THE HOF?!!

Anywho, Love your stuff. Hate Roman's Stuff!

1.  They felt Piper was the biggest star they had.  It was a horrible miscalculation, of course.

2.  He was supposed to be doing a thing with Mr. Perfect, but that fell apart.


3. Shawn was taking some time off to heal up and let Diesel have the spotlight.


4. Frankly I'm shocked they're not in the Hall already.

Rollins vs Brock!


  • There’s been speculation, including from PW Insider, that Brock Lesnar vs. Seth Rollins could be the next match for “The Beast.”
From Cagedsideseats. Hopefully this sticks and he wins the Title instead of ending up a bump on the road to Roman.

​Here's how it would go if they were planning on putting the belt on Seth:  He'd proceed with the open challenge and then have to lose the title a couple of weeks before the match so they could get it off him in preparation for winning the belt, but they'd pick the lamest option possible and Seth would get flattened out as a result , and then they'd blame him for not being over enough and change their minds during the pre-game show before putting Brock over again in 5:00 with 1 F5.

An interesting theory?


My friend who knows as much (if not more) about wrestling than I told me recently that Braun Strowman was recommended to the WWE by future Hall of Famer Mark Henry, due to their strongman competition connection or some such. If true, I think there's more to this than one would think.


Braun's catchphrase is now “get these hands.” Mark Henry and Mae Young once conceived a single child, one rubber hand, who grew up to be gigantic… for a hand. This is canonical, I remember the Hand coming back for some bullshit Raw anniversary show.

What if they cut the camera right before the doctors discovered another baby in there and and Braun/the Hand were genetically engineered twins separated at birth? Braun got the Arnold Schwarzenegger genes, Hand got the Danny DeVito genes.

Would this have made more or less sense than mystery partner Nicholas at Wrestlemania?

I don't know why I never made the connection before!  It all makes sense now!

Tommy Dreamer Talks Impact

Hey Scott,

Tommy Dreamer spoke to The Wrestling Estate ahead of House of Hardcore 43 this Saturday in Philly. He discussed working with Impact Wrestling and how all these companies have to unite in order to compete with WWE. He also explained why Jerry Lynn is one of the most underrated wrestlers ever.


Should prompt some fun debate. Hope your readers enjoy. 

Thanks as always,

John Corrigan

​Impact's sure got a lot of interpromotional irons in the fire.  Maybe all those promotions should band together into some kind Alliance of Wrestling promoters on a National basis?  THEY'LL MAKE MILLIONS.​

The Main Roster “promotion”


Hi Scott


Having watched The Revival get squashed by Bray Wyatt and Matt Hardy, I'm wondering is the promotion to the main roster seen as the big deal it should be?

Sure you get the bigger crowds, bigger pay I guess… But is it worth it if you're only wrestling for five minutes in front of a crowd who are sat on their hands? 

Would there more benefit of having NXT as a separate 'workrate' brand or is the 'big league' still what these guys aspire to? Will a lot of them be watching All In with an interest as to how far they could take it?

Basically it just seems a waste seeing my favourite tag team doing five minute jobs when a couple of years ago they were tearing up the ring in classic tag team matches.

Cheers

​Yeah, but, they're SMALL.  So they can't get over.  So might as well book them as jobbers.  It's just good logic.​

Living the Gimmick


Hey Scott,


So WWE put out a video about how Nikki Bella and Cena have been “reconciling”. In my opinion, this means that their break-up was a work that everyone fell for, and will be resolved by the last episode of next season's Total Bellas. Is it safe to assume that the world is a work and we're all just marks for accepting any part of this reality?

Thanks,
A Reader

P.S. Would you say that Roman Reigns is closer to Luger (Choke artist that keeps getting pushed and bailed on, then pushed again almost immediately), or Biker Taker (Loyal soldier for Vince who gets pushed over stars with much greater presence, because of his loyalty/older, better gimmick)?

​Clearly Nikki has been Roman Reigns with a wig and rubber facemask like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible all along, and we'll get the big reveal to set up the feud that will finally get the Big Dog over.  ​