Road Warriors vs. Demolition in WCW or the Indies


Hey Scott,


Any idea why they never there was never any attempt to do Road Warriors vs. Demolition outside WWF? I know Demolition was WWF IP but that's why G-d created thesauruses. Or just say 

Road Warriors vs. Demulition. Heck, just put both on a poster and everyone will know what's up.



Good question.  I don't know if they had much of a relationship outside of WWE, but certainly Darsow was friends with them.  Are we sure it DIDN'T happen?  



How Do You Like Your Tournaments?

Hey Scott–

Hopefully no one was placing bets on the first round of the AEW tournament. I think we all saw the results of the first matches coming from a mile away (and I'm pretty sure we all know where the finals are headed…)

I don't say this like it's necessarily a bad thing. Look at the NBA playoffs: Every few years you might get some shocking first-round upset, but normally you can predict to the letter that the 1 seed will beat the 8 seed, the 2 seed beats the 7 seed, etc.

What do you prefer in your pro wrestling tournaments? Shocking twists, turns, and upsets? Or with an air of logic and predictability?

I prefer logic.  We know it's coming down to Page v. Omega and it makes the tournament better because we're getting what we want in the finals instead of some stupid swerve for the sake of it.  

Raven leading ECW Invasion in 1997?

Raven was actually treated like a fairly big deal for his WCW debut. During the climactic nWo vs. WCW brawl that was closing Nitro, Curt Hennig makes his WCW debut and then Raven hops the guard rail with Hogan looking at him suspiciously. It was kinda awesome
and all sorts of intriguing. Of course Hennig ended up just nWo goon 3437479898 and Raven
ends up leading a group of generic jobbers in a generic heel stable. My question is do you think Raven leading a quasi ECW “invasion” against both the nWo and WCW would've
worked in 97? I'd have to think from a storyline standpoint it'd be interesting but would the casual crowd give a shit? Alternately take away the ECW invasion part, do you think Raven just on his own perhaps could've been a bigger deal had they included him
with the likes of Hogan, Flair, Sting, Hall, Nash, DDP, Savage as it looked like they were going to do that first night?


I think he could have been a bigger deal for sure.  Sticking him in the go-nowhere feud with Stevie Richards pretty much pegged him as a midcard guy from the start.  

Eddie kingston, king of the talkers



Eddie kingston has to be the best promo and talker of 2020 so far. He hasn't won any major matches and yet has talked his way into a credible main event feud on PPV. He should be giving classes!

Ironically one of his best bits was parodying the classes that WWE IS giving their trainees.  

A Giant Mistake

Hello Scott

 

Reading about the clusterscmozz that was El Gigante vs. Great Muta brought
back a few questions I’ve been wondering about the big guy, namely: WHY??

 

What in the world possessed WCW to go after this guy in the first place? He
was a lanky, skinny, awkward basketball player who had never wrestled a day in
his life. I still remember the picture of Ted Turner posing proudly next to him
as if he had just discovered wrestling’s next big thing. What was the appeal?
Were they just looking to stick it to the WWF by finding someone taller than
Andre (even though he was all but done by 1990)?

 

Subsequently, what did the WWF see in him to sign him away? Even after a
year of training and several years on the main roster Gonzalez was still the
drizzling shits in the ring. I know they wanted a monster heel to put against
Undertaker, but Taker wasn’t exactly lighting up the ring in 93—did they
actually trust him to get a decent match or two out of the big slug? Or was
someone at the WWF given misinformation about Gonzalez’ in-ring skills? I just
don’t get it.

He was a tall basketball player, so I guess they thought they could make something out of him.  Granted WCW had the excuse of not knowing in advance, but I don't know what Vince was thinking.  Maybe he just thought WCW didn't know what to do with him and he did?  That would certainly fit with him.  

Mr Perfect in 92

Hey Scott,

Been watching Survivor Series ‘92 on the network, where Mr Perfect replaces the Ultimate Warrior a week before the show for the tag main event. I was wondering, what were the original plans for Hennig’s in-ring return if the Warrior hadn’t left? I’m assuming he must have been cleared at that point to return from injury so it was just a matter of time before he was wrestling again. Would he have turned on Flair anyway or do you reckon there was still some mileage in that partnership? If they’d kept him a heel and convinced Flair to stay with the company, Flair/Perfect versus Hogan/Beefcake at WrestleMania IX might have been an interesting alternative to what we ended up with.

Thanks in advance!


Perfect really didn't want to return because he was collecting insurance and Vince had to back up the dump truck of money to get him in the ring again.  If Warrior hadn't left, I don't see Perfect getting back in the ring for a long time.  

Kanyon


Scott,


If he had been properly booked and pushed, what do you think was the ceiling on Chris Kanyon? To me, this guy had the size, look, wrestling ability, creative moveset, personality, mic skills, and charisma of someone who could've been deserving of a run as a WCW or WWE heavyweight champion. 
Really?  God bless Kanyon but to me he was always the epitome of the spot guy who would do stuff because he COULD and not because it made sense for the match.  His run as fake US champion during the Invasion and DDP's backup was about as high as he was gonna go by that point in his career. 

Abadon

Glad to see that Abadon is coming back next week, as I was starting to wonder if maybe it didn't work out with her and AEW, as she hasn't been on Dark for awhile. (Then again, Denver-to-Jacksonville isn't exactly a walk across the street, so she probably couldn't afford all those travel expenses.) Curious as to your thoughts on her? I love the gimmick, as she is what Sister Abigail should have been in WWE, and while her ring work isn't the best, she's only been a pro for barely 2 years, so she'll get better over time.

Thanks again!

I've only seen the one match with her but she was creepy and impressive as fuck.  Unfortunately it sounds like the one on Dynamite this week went horribly wrong and she's out long term, so that really sucks for her.  

What’s the most awkward match you can think of

Awkward both in terms of style clash and also splitting the crowd. Can be a “dream match” or something that happened or could happen.  For some random reason a potential match that came to mind would be if in 1998 they ran RVD vs. New Jack. Talk about two completely different styles and who the hell would the crowd go for? You'd have New Jack's music blasting the whole time as per usual but RVD getting his stuff in….how would the crowd react to this.

Or if in 1990 WWF did Hogan/Warrior vs. The Bushwackers! I mean I have to think the crowd would be firmly behind Hogan and Warrior but could you imagine how fucking WEIRD that would be?

Another would have been Hogan vs. Bruno in 1984 at something like MSG. I asked in another email why they didn't ever try this match and everyone rightfully so said it would split the crowd in a bad way and just be awkward.

What's the most awkward you think of?


Man, I've seen some trainwrecks in my time.  Sabu was a guy who was great with the right opponent but could go completely off the rails with the wrong one.  I'd say if you put him in there with someone who needs to obsessively plan everything out, like DDP, the results would probably be gloriously awful.  

The Most Fun Man in Sports Entertainment

So, Jericho is really showing legs that continue to make him an important figure in wrestling this late into his career. Obviously he's not a top level star on the level of Hogan and Stone Cold, but could he be the most consistently fun performer that wrestling has ever seen? Almost 50 years old and he is still mixing things up and stretching the limits of what wrestling can be. Is there anyone even close?

Certainly no one else has reinvented themselves so effectively as Jericho time after time, that's for sure.  

Are A Majority of Wrestling Fans Toxic?

Hey Scott. Hope all is well. 

I wanted to pick your brain since you interact with way more wrestling fans than I do. Are a majority of fans simply too toxic to talk wrestling with? I see a lot of conversations resemble how bad things can get with Star Wars and the whole Marvel vs DC Thing.

As a fan since 1992, I remember people use to debate during the Monday Night Wars about who was better: WCW or WWF. The conversations never got personal as we discussed rosters, match quality, etc. 

The last two years or so I've noticed things have changed, especially in the NXT/AEW debate. It kind of sucks the enjoyment out of it for me as people seem to take extreme offense if you prefer a type of wrestling that they don't. 

 As a lifetime WWF/WWE fan, I recently cancelled my subscription to the Network to give New Japan a try. I absolutely love it. I'm sure part of that love is just because it's new a different, but it seems to be the type of wrestling I gravitate towards. A buddy of mine- that I've known a long time- completely ripped into me. It doesn't stop me from watching New Japan, but I've kind of avoided talking wrestling with him since then because he's such a pain about it. 

Does any of this toxic stuff bum you out when it comes to talking to fans?

Some does.  Granted I'm guilty of deliberately stoking the silly Wednesday Night War stuff where it's not needed because every time I do my ad revenue shoots up by like 150%, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.  And I don't blame you one bit for getting away from WWE and going to New Japan.  I wouldn't go out of my way to watch the current product either but it's 90% of what drives traffic to the site, so my perspective on it is of course very different.  That being said, I personally don't interact much with wrestling fans outside of the blog bubble anyway.  Mostly the discussion places I hang around outside of here are about retro gaming or comic books. 

Switch controller…

Scott,

What was the $25 Switch controller you got from Amazon?  I'm looking to pick one up for my son.  Thanks.

Here's the Amazon.ca link for it:


And it's also available from Amazon US it looks like:


I'm loving this thing already, I have to say.  It's replacing one of the cheap “BioGenik” branded ones from EBGames (or Gamespot down there) that doesn't have vibration or motion controls.  This thing feels substantial and the only major criticism I've had so far is that the cross pad feels a bit too shallow.  But otherwise, it's great.  

Sloppy Shop

Hi Scott,

Was curious on your thoughts on AEW rankings after a year? Whats the point if every title shot is awarded based off a battle royal, a tournament, or being named Orange Cassidy? It was bad enough beating only jobbers got you ranked top 5 but now they really jumped the shark ranking the Chairman of the Jobbers Shawn Spears in there. Like who has he beaten not on a YouTube show? None of the men top 5 are even in the tournament. If they are gonna ignore the rankings why not skip a tournament filled with half jobbers and just build a great feud between Hangman and Kenny for the number one spot. Clearly that's where they are going anyway. Hangman loses due to cheating, Kenny beats Mox, Hangman chases Kenny, seems like an easy decision to me.

Also, I know they wanted be more wrestling and sportscentric but the company has done a complete 180 from their original mission statement. Do you think the massive rating drop after the 1st two episodes changed things? I am pretty sure a year ago at that press conference they would never of thought they'd be showing Jericho/ MJF singing and dancing in a family guy rip-off dinner show. MJF should had a least one title by now, now singing about the temperature of his steak.

Maybe Jericho should also stop worrying about getting royalties from past WWE matches and be more concerned with how they leave their wrestlers lying in the ring unconscious with no one checking on them. Talk about a sloppy shop!

NXT didn't even chart in the top 50 for the third week in a row.  At least people are talking about AEW, man.  

Best PPV that looked like the worst on paper

Playing off an email from yesterday asking what show was the biggest stinker despite having a strong roster/lineup, how about we switch gears: What PPV looked like total crap on paper, but turned out to be at least a good, enjoyable effort. Doesn't have to be show of the year or anything, just good enough to reach way above projections. 

My pick would be In Your House #2 (July '95). It had the unenviable task of recovering from the King of the Ring fiasco, and on paper, didn't promise much. Diesel/Sid on top for the 3rd month in a row, Roadie in a singles spot, Men on a Mission, and boring ass Double J limping along as IC Champion. Diesel/Sid still stunk, but the Kid and Roadie (An unproven commodity) put on a really good opener, MOM vs. Razor/Savio was a solid 2 stars better than it had any right to be (I give it 2 1/2 stars), and Shawn got an all-time classic out of Jarrett (find me Double J vs. ANYONE better than “good, I guess”). Yoko/Owen vs. Allied Powers wasn't much, nor was HOG/Bigelow, but neither bad enough to kill the goodwill of the rest of the show. 

There was an early Smackdown-only PPV that seemed like a clunker but just blew everyone out of the water in 2003.  Vengeance maybe?  I just remember something from that era for whatever reason.  

MJF/Jericho and the inevitable HHH response


So now that MJF/Jericho have gone and done a musical number which will no doubt go viral and only add to Jericho's fame and popularity, you think that HHH will probably try and top it purely out of spite and malice's sake? I mean, this is the same man who spent over a year burying the entire roster after Rock came back in the early 10s to critical acclaim for fuck's sake, because HHH couldn't contain his seething butthurt at how the fans loved Rock and welcomed him back and his role in that golden period of renewed interest in the WWE. 

Can we expect the entire roster of NXT to be forced to pay tribute to HHH in the coming weeks, complete with Cole and Gargona and Lumis and Kross and everyone else worth a damn prostrating themselves towards HHH and telling him how he's the biggest star in WWE history? Will we have to endure Asuka declaring to HHH “You truly are the king of kings!” when he saves her from the Fiend? Will Dominic Mysterio have to tell his dad on camera that HHH is his idol and that he wants to be just like him? Will Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns be forced to do a Bollywood musical number with HHH akin to Smither's “Mr Burns” pastiche that itself was based on the bit from Citizen Kane where one of Kane's flunkies does a whole song and dance number about how great Kane was? 


See, for everyone who has been getting upset at the idea of a song and dance number on a wrestling show, Jesse Baker takes it next level and turns it into an epic rant against HHH for something he hasn't even done.  This is why he's the professional. 

Lol, ok Bret


We were going for 15 minutes before we even got into the ring, and then, we did about 10 minutes in the ring. But we had another 25 minutes of a match that was planned out. If it had ever happened, it could have been one of the greatest matches of all time. And we’d be talking about that more today than the actual Screwjob.”

Ah, yes. We’d be talking about a 50 minute match between two guys who had fought roughly a billion times MORE than we’ve talked about WWE’s single most famous angle of all time that could be directly attributed to jump starting the most profitable and iconic period in the history of the company. I see absolutely nothing flawed in Bret’s logic here. 
To be fair, the man has had a stroke and several other serious head injuries over the course of his career. 

Hogan/Sheik


Hopefully the answer here isn't so simple as “that's just how it was done back then”, but given that Backlund had held the title forever, wouldn't Hogan vs. Backlund have been a much bigger match and a much better way to pass the torch?

Followup: if this was “just the way things were done”, what changed six years later to make Hogan vs. Warrior happen instead of jobbing Hogan to say, Rick Rude or Perfect to set up Warrior's title win? Wouldn't old time wrestling booking practice be to cheat Hogan out of the title so he stays basically unsullied and then Warrior crushes the dastardly heel at WM6?

With the Hogan win, they needed to accomplish two things:  

1.  Screw the all American white meat babyface out of the title via epic shenangians and put it on someone who no one could possibly cheer.

2.  Have Hogan win the title and completely crush some goober. 

Hence, the Iron Sheik.  They could not have booked the start of Hulk's reign any better.

As for Hogan-Warrior, they actually did that scenario with Sgt. Slaughter in 1991 to get it back on Hogan.  With the Warrior win, they were trying something else. And it failed because the show didn't draw like they were expecting and Warrior never got going as a top guy.  So yeah, in retrospect it was a pretty bad idea.  

Dork Order


I actually enjoyed the Cody vs. Orange Cassidy match on the Dynamite Anniversary Show, but wouldn’t their new found rivalry make more sense if they were fighting to get a shot at Brodie Lee?  Seems like the Dark Order was really picking up some steam with Brodie as the TNT Champion and just completely got their legs cut out from beneath them because LOLCODYWINS
Apparently Brodie was never supposed to have gotten that reign and it was a last minute decision due to various shifting plans.  I would have left it on him personally, I liked him as champion more than Cody.  

Wrestling Cartoon


I have very fond memories growing up in the 80s and watching Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n' Wrestling on Saturday mornings. So I tracked down some DVDs and just rewatched the whole series…and I was very underwhelmed. 


Maybe watching cartoons in my 40s has jaded me, but the storylines were dumb, and I forgot that none of the wrestlers voiced their own characters. Hearing Brad Garrett as Hogan was just weird and I had no clue that Will Smith's TV dad voiced Junkyard Dog. And I was surprised there were only 2 short seasons…seemed like there were more when I was a kid. 

Ah well. Did you watch it back in the day? Anything to add?

It was on the Network for about 2 seconds and then got deleted for music rights issues.  I wish they’d bring it back, I’d review the shit out of it.  
But yeah of course I watched it as a kid.  Roddy Piper just hates that fucking ROCK N ROLL, man.  Fun fact:  The Moolah character was changed from the original design, which was going to be Mad Maxine, the next challenger to Wendi Richter.   But Maxine only lasted one show in real life and was gone, so they had to redo the cartoon plans.  

Steve Blackman


Hi Scott, a couple questions on the most charismatic superstar in the world Steve Blackman.

1) How do you rate Blackman's run in the WWF during his main run 97-02? 

2) Whatever happened to the Steve Blackman: Bounty Hunter show that was filmed and being passed around the networks? 

3) If he hadn't nearly died from Malaria in 1988, how do you see his career going?
1.  He was a solid midcard character who knew his place.
2.  I'm assuming it was never picked up?
3.  He probably would have gotten involved in the new MMA scene and then hung around the indies like Dan Severn as a valuable two-way player for fighting and wrestling promotions.