RF Video Shoot Interview with Blue Meanie & Jasmine St. Claire

This was filmed in 2000

The interview was conducted by Rob Feinstein and Doug Gentry

It runs for two hours long

The first question is for Meanie as he is asked how he got into the business. Meanie said that he started to send out feelers to different wrestling schools while a senior in high school. He wanted to go to the Malenko school as but that did not happen until he got a call from Phyllis Lee, who was from Ohio and helped get a few wrestlers their start, like Sean Waltman. Meanie said he worked for a year after graduating then went up to Al Snow’s school in Lima, OH.

Meanie said that Snow was “anal” as a trainer as he made sure you knew one thing before going to the next part. Meanie did say that he instilled a lot of confidence in him as Meanie grew up with bad asthma and his family never thought he would make it as a wrestler but Snow saw something in him.

His first match he wrestled as “Brian Estevez,” as he looked somewhat like actor Emilio Estevez. After that he was told that name was shit then he switched to “Brian Rollins” as an homage to singer Henry Rollins.

He then started to travel around to the independents in Maryland, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania. It was in the MEWF when he met Raven and Stevie Richards. Meanie said there was a local guy who dressed as Batman that did not want to bump so Meanie took his place on the card. Meanie did a moonsault in the match that Raven complimented him on then after the show, Raven thought Stevie needed a sidekick and considered Meanie. Raven went to Paul Heyman with the idea and called Rollins the Blue Meanie from the “Yellow Submarine.” Meanie constantly puts over Raven for having a great wrestling mind.

When he first got to ECW, Meanie said there was a ton of veterans like Shane Douglas and Mick Foley and did not want to say anything dumb, because he said that he had a penchant of doing that, so he quietly changed into his attire. At first, Meanie said most of the locker room was standoffish but after a little while he gained acceptance from the veterans.

On who came up with the parody ideas, Meanie said that Raven came up with the Fabulous Ones idea then after that they kept on coming up with things. He talks about having to wear blackface and an afro wig to parody Michael Jackson and how he did not want to do it at all and even went as far as pleading with New Jack to say that he was offended by the gimmick with the hopes it would get squashed but Jack said he wanted to watch it happen. Meanie said that he loves New Jack.

Originally, the bWo was supposed to be a one night deal only but that took off and launched Stevie Richards singles career. After that, Meanie started teaming with Nova.

Meanie said that he got along with Chastity but that she had a lot of heat with people as she was saying the wrong things to certain people.

He tells a story of the Bluedust promo. He was supposed to buy blue paint and head to the studio to film a vignette but ended up forgetting it and Raven had to paint him in blue cake icing. Now that he was covered in icing, they wouldn’t let him go back into the car and had to walk down the street covered in icing to a park as he was getting bit by bugs. He then said he was half naked lying down on the grass and when they wrapped up the filming, a cop arrived. Meanie got startled and got up, exposing his bare ass, as he was trying to cover himself. The cop asked what they were doing as it was Meanie, Raven, Sandman, and the Sandman’s wife and son. Sandman then asked if they could finish two more takes as everyone wanted him to just shut up. The cop did not arrest them as Meanie jokes how he almost went to jail for the BlueDust promo.

Now, he is asked about showing up to the RAW tapings as part of the bWo gimmick. He remembers watching RAW as they were bringing up ECW on commentary and Lawler even mentioned him. Heyman then told them that they were showing up to RAW. Meanie said that he was nervous being on live TV and a few of the WWF guys ribbed them by sending them all over the place as they were looking for their locker room.

Meanie is asked about Stevie Richards. He said that they were really cool at first but there was tension between Stevie and Raven and after that, Stevie would get heat on him. He tells a story of how they were supposed to do a Kiss gimmick and wanted him to go tanning and have “Kiss” on his stomach. After that, Stevie started calling him up to do stuff that Raven asked him to do personally then Meanie talked about how Stevie is a paranoid guy. He said that Stevie started to get ribbed a bit by guys like Taz and Perry Saturn who called him “Superstar” Stevie Richards and while it was meant to be playful, Stevie took it the wrong way and bolted for WCW. After he came back to ECW, Meanie said that Richards came up to him and Nova and wanted them to cut his shirt for him as they both felt that he left them and is now coming back asking them to do this for him so they declined and Stevie pissed everyone off before leaving.

When asked about how he got signed by the WWE, Meanie said that Al Snow called him about coming to the WWE. Meanie said that in May of that year (1998) they wanted to sign him and give the gimmick of “RAW Boy” to him as a spoof of the Nitro Girls. He then said that someone gave the WWE the impression that he was going to be at RAW that day and his name was even on the lineup sheet as people were calling him that his name was on the lineup sheet for RAW when he was never told to be on the show. However, Russo was still interested and Meanie said that he was supporting his mother and grandma and needed to help with his grandma’s medical bills so he got Heyman’s blessing to go to the WWE.

Originally, Stevie was supposed to be brought in with him but he was recovering from neck surgery and they were scared he might get hurt. They were supposed to run in and make the save for Gillberg for their debut.

He puts over Goldust and says he is one of the funniest guys but that he had some issues at the time and one day at a TV taping he was told not to wear any shirts about Goldust as he knew then that he was getting let go from the company. After that, he sat around until Stevie finally came in and they teamed for a bit.

Meanie talks about how little he knew about how the WWE worked backstage as one day Jim Ross told him if he ever considered losing weight. Meanie said that he took it as advice but then talks about his childhood about having asthma and being bullied for his weight so still got somewhat defensive by that.

On his release, Jim Ross and Bruce Prichard came up to him backstage after a “Sunday Night Heat” taping and told him that he did everything he asked of the company and did not cause any problems but that he should go somewhere and “throw on a fresh coat of paint” and in the future he could try to come back. Meanie said he later realized that line about a fresh coat of paint was about his weight. Meanie said that he worked hard in the dates he had left and even got positive reports from the road agents. He then said that Russo told him that the “Save the Meanie” online campaign garnered so much email that it crashed the WWE entire email system and that he went to Vince McMahon about how fans wanted to see him then Jim Ross told him that he was going to remain with the company.

Shortly after that, Meanie said that he was traveling to Chicago in the middle of a snowstorm and that Kevin Kelly called him about doing “Byte This” and how he wanted to talk about the fans saving his job so he did the interview in the car and was asked about if he would now lose weight as Meanie and he did not think it was a big deal but he took advice from Bob Holly and Tori, who were both in great shape.

When the WWF asked him to go to Memphis, Meanie said that he was supposed to work on the Survivor Series but that they booked the Big Show to destroy him before the PPV and he was stuck with nothing to do and did not know he was even going there until he read it on 1Wrestling.com. Meanie then called up the site and they said Terry Golden from Memphis gave them a list of names heading down there and it was Mr. Hughes, Bobcat, Reckless Youth, K Krush (Ron Killings) and a few other guys. A few days later, Prichard called him up and said that he was going to Memphis and had to be there in two days. Meanie then had to pack up everything and get his ducks in a row before heading down but he got stuck in a blizzard and was unable to go. He said he even welcomed going there as it was better than sitting at home doing nothing. In Memphis, Meanie said that it was a whole new world down there. He also said that he was paying rent on two apartments and for his family with less money than before.

Meanie now talks about how he first met Jasmine. They were at the Milwaukee Metal Fest as Jasmine said he thought he was cool and asked someone about him who told her never to mess with the wrestlers. They then tell a story of some guy trying to talk trash about Meanie to Jasmin and that goes on for a few minutes until it gets dropped to resume Meanie’s story about Memphis.

He ended up leaving Memphis when his grandmother got really sick and he spoke with Prichard who told him to go home and take care of his grandmother. Meanie even said he could work for ECW a few days a week as he would be going back to Philly and would send tapes to the office to show his progress. Meanie said that there were problems with ECW at that time so he decided not to bother him. Meanie had to care for his grandparents as they were unable to ambulate.

On his release, he got a call from the company when he took his grandma to the hospital. When asked, Meanie said that he was not surprised as they were not happy he left Memphis. He also said that he felt he had to go home to take care of his grandparents and the company was not doing with him anyway so he was not mad.

Jasmine said that she was into ballet as a kid but that her grandmother grew up watching wrestling and one day she got her into it as Jasmin said she was a fan of the Ultimate Warrior, The Rockers, and Elizabeth.

She is now asked about how she got into the Pornography business. Jasmine said that she was working at a topless bar while in college. Jasmin then went on to say that she could have been a “zillionaire” in that type of work as a lot of those girls escort and have sugar daddies but she had a problem with that. Jasmine said that 90% of those girls “slut themselves out.” She said that she did calendars then a spread for Penthouse so she could increase her price when she danced. One of those shoots led to her getting a gig in a porno film.

In her first time on film, Jasmine said she was a little nervous but the guy she was shooting with a nice and didn’t try to put the moves on her and took her out to dinner. Jasmine said she was not about “charity fucks” as if there were no cameras, contracts, or box covers, she was not going to screw someone for no reason. She said her mentality was that if there was nothing to gain from doing that. She then talks about a lot of girls in the Adult Film industry are incapable of getting up in the morning to work a real job and do this to support their drug habits or “suitcase pimp” boyfriends. She said she was friends with the older women stars as they had their heads on straight. Jasmine said that she only did about 30 films and does not feel the need to do one ever again, feeling that she was able to get the most out of her career by doing the least amount of work.

Jasmine now talks about a few near death experiences she has faced. She dated a guy in the business who was an alcoholic and crashed their motorcycle then spoke about how she almost killed herself 3-4 times by overdose on prescription medication. She talks about experimenting with drugs as a teenager but denied the rumors of her being addicted to cocaine.

She said after the adult film industry she worked for a private investigator firm and loved that work, stating if she did not end up in wrestling she would be doing that right now.

When asked about Jenna Jameson, she said that they were friends until Jenna turned on her and does not keep in touch with her anymore.

About the Howard Stern show, Jasmine said that he is one of the nicest people she has ever met and at that time would have left her then boyfriend for him. Her and Meanie then joke around for a second as Jasmine talks up Howard for being up front and telling it like it is instead of beating around the bush.

Jasmine talks about not having a lot of friends in school and said she was quiet before going on a tirade about fat girls and how she hates them and that they are all “cunts.” She says that its okay for fat girls to wear shirts with their flubber hanging out and how they stare her down (guessing she is saying they are jealous) and how she was picked on for being skinny and better looking in school. She tells a story while in school of a “fat Jewish bitch” who blocked the door of the bathroom stall and said she wanted to she what she was going to do as Jasmine said she wished she had a knife to stab her and rip her heart out before joking about how at least she stabs people in the chest and not in the back.

She then talks about how a lot of girls were jealous in the Adult Film industry but knew she was better than them and how they were nothing more than the dirt below her shoe. Jasmine then said she left the business because she did not want to be associated with “high class whores who fuck on film as she was better than them and knew something better would come down the line.

Jasmine said the gangbang film was her idea and puts over the person who did it before her, Annabel Chong. She said that she respects Anna for cleaning herself up and going on to film school where she is now making documentaries. About the actual film, Jasmine said it was a “media event” and easy to do as she claimed 90% of the guys couldn’t even get an erection.

On the set, Jasmine said she was a bitch to deal with most of the time as she yelled at the guys who couldn’t get an erection saying she had a life outside of here. She then tells a story about how she was making a nail appointment by phone on the set and the director told her that she he had a priority to shoot as she fired back that her priority was her nail appointment and if this guy cant do his job she shouldn’t have to wait around. Jasmine then said she threw a tube of KY Jelly at his face and the guy called her a cunt then left, refusing to ever work with her again.

When asked about her worst on-set experience, Jasmine said when a “bitch”comes up to her while she is in her makeup chair and tries to talk to her. She then talks about some “85lbs crack whore” and his boyfriend were “sizing her up” as she flipped out and had them kicked out. Jasmine then talks about another girl pissed her off so he stole her hairpiece and spit and stomped all over it then put her stuff in the toilet then emptied out an enema all over everything else she had.

The misconception of the Adult Film Industry according to Jasmine is that everyone in the business is cool as they are all a bunch of fucking scumbags. She has no desire to ever return to a set again.

She talks about how Rob Black told her she was working for him in XPW when she wanted to go back to do another ECW show. Jasmine then said that company was filled with backyard wrestlers who did shitty moves.

Jasmine then talks about how she wanted to wrestle. She said that she helped get the company over and got lessons from Big Dick Dudley, who she managed. She then said that Black’s girlfriend got jealous and this lead to drama and Jasmine said that she was a valet for someone (Damien Steele) and they messed around but didn’t realize he was married and then that guy badmouthed her, which got her blacklisted from a wrestling school in Los Angeles that she wanted to attend. He then said this guy threatened her with a knife and was forced to have sex with this guy after he shoved her in a broom closet. She says that she is safe now in ECW and has Meanie to keep her safe. Jasmine then calls Black a mark who runs a promotion.

After that Jasmine talks about how she loaned a lot of money to her cousin, who has yet to pay her back and is now doing in-store appearances as well as some ECW shows to get some money.

She puts over Luna and Madusa as wrestlers and says that she is a “mark” for them.

During training, she was told to not take front bumps due to her implants and how she wanted to go to Rick Bassman’s UPW school but could not due to that guy (Damien Steele). She then worked a bit in Memphis and got a call out of the blue from Heyman to work for ECW. She puts over the locker room as being good people.

When asked where they see themselves in this business five years from now, they both think their careers will go strong. (In reality, they split up five years after this interview and did have their promotion, 3PW).

She talks about the adult film industry and again talks about how awful everyone was but says it was not a mistake as she used it to get to where she is today.

He talks about no longer being the Blue Meanie with the weight loss has it doesn’t fit so he is now the “Blue Boy” and they both thank their fans.

Final Thoughts: Well, this was the tale of two interviews. While seemingly a nice guy, Meanie was boring as fuck in his part of the shoot. He didnt really go into anything interesting other than Stevie Richards was a dick and the WWE told him to lose weight, which was a sensitive subject for him. Meanie had his comedy moments in ECW but here he was not too entertaining. And it wasnt all his fault as he was not asked a lot of interesting questions.

However, Jasmine’s part was quite the listen. Holy shit is she crazy and seemingly a nasty person to deal with too. She kept on saying how the porn industry was beneath her and the people were terrlbie and she would not want anything to do with them yet talked about how she dated guys in that business which contradicted some of what she had said in the interview. Also, her tirade on fat chicks needs to be heard to be believed. My god, I would not be surprised in the slightest if she actually does end up stabbing a fatty one day. Jasmine also had an ax to grind about the people in the industry but her constantly trying to say she was better than everyone was off-putting and when she mentioned being made fun in school, its not hard to see after watching this interview. As far as wrestling, Jasmine actually seemed to be able to understand some of the business and knew a lot of the jargon, so either she learned quick or Meanie gave her a lesson before the interview. Speaking of Meanie, I can just picture Jasmine walking all over him. He seemed like a quiet, passive guy whereas Jasmine seemed like the girl to take full advantage of that.

Overall, I’d recommend Jasmine’s part as there was never a dull moment. Again, while seemingly nice, Meanie’s part was dull.