Forever Evil and More

I'm not sure if you stuck it out or not, but Forever Evil finally limped to a close last week.  Seems like it took 3 years.  As usual for Johns, started off really cool and then totally lost its way and spread out into like 13 titles and became a big old mess.  I was totally ready to just get the final issue, the follow-up JL issue and then take a break from Johns for a good long while.  But then he did what he always does.  He throws in a last page that makes me excited about where he's going again.  Its quite aggravating.  Did you stick with it the whole way through?  What did you think?
 
I also have no idea what's going on at Marvel now.  The two best books that they have, hawkeye and superior foes of spider-man, haven't moved the storyline along in a year and six months respectively.  Its to the point where I forget the even exist anymore.  At least DC actually keeps people reasonably on schedule (except Sandman, but what can you do about that?)

​Yeah, I stuck it out with Forever Evil, and it was pretty satisfying.  I'm pretty intrigued with where they're going with Lex Luthor, but this whole Future's End nonsense is doing nothing for me.  Justice League #30 was really fun, though.  
I also have no clue what's going on with Hawkeye.  The title has been spinning its wheels for months now and Hawkeye himself seems to have been transplanted into the Hawkeye-wannabe series Secret Avengers.  Black Widow seems to be replacing that vibe a bit, too.  It's really frustrating because they were supposed to be alternating Aja's Barton issues with the Kate Bishop ones to keep the trains running on time, and it seems like they're both late.  Marvel at least has a lot of good stuff that goes on time to fill the void for me.  
As for Superior Foes, I'm pretty sure it's been canned.  Either that or they're relaunching it as something else, but Team-Up is definitely done.  ​I feel like they should thin the X-Men herd a LOT before the Spider books, but apparently it's drastically important to have all those different teams starring Wolverine in play.  I used to love All New X-Men and it's just going totally off the rails lately with the whole confusing "people switching teams" mess and multiple future versions of the X-Men running around and stuff.  

Forever Evil Discussion Thread

There was a little bit of discussion of the villains month and Forever Evil in the Flashpoint thread, but if anyone wants to talk about/review/bitch about the assorted Villains one-shots and Forever Evil, have at it!  I’m pretty disappointed thus far considering it was an intriguing premise coming out of Trinity War, although I should note Forever Evil itself is amazing after the first issue.  The villain stuff is a mixed bag, although I haven’t read all of them.  Creeper was terrible and a messy slog to get through, Desaad didn’t really make much sense to me, Count Vertigo was OK but covered much of the same ground as the animated Green Arrow short, Cyborg Superman was a totally different take on the character and was just him being evil for 22 pages instead of really saying anything about him, and Joker was a huge disappointment.  His aunt scrubbed him with bleach?  Really?  So far they’re a bunch of OK fill-in issues. 
Also, apparently Batwoman was cancelled.  (Edit:  Apparently JH Williams is leaving, but the book will continue.  Which is even worse in some ways.)  I was losing interest anyway, but this gets canned and Batwing doesn’t?  REALLY? 

Ce-No Evil

I always thought you had a rather healthy respect for Cena over the years but I recently watched Taboo Tuesday 2005 and thought the main event of Cena vs. Michaels vs. Angle was one of the best triple threat matches I’ve seen in a while, so I checked out your review and was surprised to see you gave it only ***, and was even more surprised to see this: “They team up and send Cena into the post to get rid of him, and then team up to put him through the Spanish announce table for good measure. So it’s time to get down to the business of having an awesome match without him. Nice of you to show up, John, enjoy the match from ringside”, and this “Cena was WAY out of his league here, like Lyle Lovett and Julia Roberts getting married type of out of his league.” So at what point Scott do you think you became aware that Cena could hold up his end in the ring?

Easy answer:  Wrestlemania whatever it was where Cena defended against Shawn Michaels, and then the RAW where they did the one-hour match and Cena was barely sweating at the end.  Those were two major match situations where he needed to deliver, and he did.  Plus he hung with Shawn Michaels, and that ain’t not for nothing. 

Ce-No Evil

I always thought you had a rather healthy respect for Cena over the years but I recently watched Taboo Tuesday 2005 and thought the main event of Cena vs. Michaels vs. Angle was one of the best triple threat matches I’ve seen in a while, so I checked out your review and was surprised to see you gave it only ***, and was even more surprised to see this: “They team up and send Cena into the post to get rid of him, and then team up to put him through the Spanish announce table for good measure. So it’s time to get down to the business of having an awesome match without him. Nice of you to show up, John, enjoy the match from ringside”, and this “Cena was WAY out of his league here, like Lyle Lovett and Julia Roberts getting married type of out of his league.” So at what point Scott do you think you became aware that Cena could hold up his end in the ring?

Easy answer:  Wrestlemania whatever it was where Cena defended against Shawn Michaels, and then the RAW where they did the one-hour match and Cena was barely sweating at the end.  Those were two major match situations where he needed to deliver, and he did.  Plus he hung with Shawn Michaels, and that ain’t not for nothing. 

Ce-No Evil

I always thought you had a rather healthy respect for Cena over the years but I recently watched Taboo Tuesday 2005 and thought the main event of Cena vs. Michaels vs. Angle was one of the best triple threat matches I’ve seen in a while, so I checked out your review and was surprised to see you gave it only ***, and was even more surprised to see this: “They team up and send Cena into the post to get rid of him, and then team up to put him through the Spanish announce table for good measure. So it’s time to get down to the business of having an awesome match without him. Nice of you to show up, John, enjoy the match from ringside”, and this “Cena was WAY out of his league here, like Lyle Lovett and Julia Roberts getting married type of out of his league.” So at what point Scott do you think you became aware that Cena could hold up his end in the ring?

Easy answer:  Wrestlemania whatever it was where Cena defended against Shawn Michaels, and then the RAW where they did the one-hour match and Cena was barely sweating at the end.  Those were two major match situations where he needed to deliver, and he did.  Plus he hung with Shawn Michaels, and that ain’t not for nothing. 

Ce-No Evil

I always thought you had a rather healthy respect for Cena over the years but I recently watched Taboo Tuesday 2005 and thought the main event of Cena vs. Michaels vs. Angle was one of the best triple threat matches I’ve seen in a while, so I checked out your review and was surprised to see you gave it only ***, and was even more surprised to see this: “They team up and send Cena into the post to get rid of him, and then team up to put him through the Spanish announce table for good measure. So it’s time to get down to the business of having an awesome match without him. Nice of you to show up, John, enjoy the match from ringside”, and this “Cena was WAY out of his league here, like Lyle Lovett and Julia Roberts getting married type of out of his league.” So at what point Scott do you think you became aware that Cena could hold up his end in the ring?

Easy answer:  Wrestlemania whatever it was where Cena defended against Shawn Michaels, and then the RAW where they did the one-hour match and Cena was barely sweating at the end.  Those were two major match situations where he needed to deliver, and he did.  Plus he hung with Shawn Michaels, and that ain’t not for nothing. 

Ce-no evil

Hey Scott, Im thrilled at the prospect of u reviewing WWE programming again. Question for u regarding Cena. How is he not blamed for slumping PPv buys and Raw ratings slipping.  I read on this week’s Observer that the segment featuring Cena’s match actually LOST viewers. Im just curious.

Because he sells assloads of merchandise and draws at house shows just as much as anyone else they could possibly push to the top would.  I don’t think anyone could argue that Cena isn’t the biggest draw of the modern (post-Austin) era, so he’s gonna get some slack when it comes to dropping buyrates and ratings.  Besides, buyrates are in the toilet because of fundamental problems with their business, not the people who they push on top.