WWF Tuesday Night Titans: July 19th, 1985

July 19th, 1985
Your hosts are Lord Alfred Hayes and Vince McMahon
This week’s guests include Freddie Blassie, Rick McGraw, and Pedro Morales. Also, “Macho Man” Randy Savage will have all of the managers in the WWF make their pitch to him.

Blassie is the first guest. He is pissed that his team had the Tag Team Titles “stolen” from them. We are shown the clip of the match as Blassie points out how the count was fast and Lord Alfred and Vince actually agree with him. Vince then brings up how at one point the referee was out of position when his man was being pinned and Blassie goes off on a politically incorrect tirade about the referee not being able to count past two due to the fact that he is Puerto Rican and a midget. He also thinks that he should be officiating the women instead of championship matches. Blassie then says that he will get the titles back as Vince shows us some photos in the WWF Magazine from a music video shoot as an attempt to show us how he and his men were not training but in reality, it was Vince showing the public that his wrestlers were crossing over into the mainstream. Blassie said that the made a lot of money and Vince says that he will be back later on the show making his pitch to Randy Savage. Blassie is usually funny (and racist) on TNT and this was no exception.
Rick McGraw is the next guest. He is geeked out of his mind right now, with his jaw grinding all over the place. Vince puts over McGraw for his “never say die” attitude and tells us how he will be getting married shortly. Sadly, McGraw would pass away in a few months. We are shown a clip of his match against Brett Hart from the May 20th house show at MSG. After that, Hayes pleads with McGraw not to get married. McGraw is a fucking mess as this is going on, as he is barely able to speak coherently. Vince then welcomes Opheila, who married Butcher Vachon on TNT last year. She also tells McGraw not to get married and said that the only clothes that she had is her gown and veil, which she is wearing, and that her honeymoon was spent as a “wrestling camp.” Opheila is actually a bit funny here and names off a bunch of wacky wrestling moves that Chris Jericho would have been proud to have read off of his scroll back in WCW. This ends uneventfully. McGraw has to be seen to be believed here. The guy was a wreck.
Randy Savage is out next. He says that he will be the next WWF Heavyweight Champion and guarantees victory over Hulk Hogan. They then show a clip of his WWF TV debut. After that, he continues to guarantee that he will take Hogan’s Title and loves the fact that the managers will be joining the set to make their pitch. Savage was fucking great the minute he debuted with the company.
Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Hart, and Freddie Blassie come out. They will each make an offer to Savage. They all start fighting with each other, pointing out their recent mistakes. Heenan starts and says that he will make more money and wear better clothes. Savage is impressed with his pitch. Hart says that he will not only make Savage money, but save his money and notes that he has his own clothes made in Memphis, prompting Heenan to joke about Hart getting clothes at K-Mart. Hart continues to tell Savage to save his money. Blassie tells Savage he is the only one on the panel that has managed a champion and gave give him diamonds and walking around money, pulling out a stack of cash. He then says that he will up any offer by 25% and will not take a penny until he wins the belt. It ends with the managers all trying to plead Savage to sign with them.
Pedro Morales is the next guest. Vince puts him over for holding all three titles (Heavyweight, Intercontinental, and Tag Team) then we are shown a clip of him in a TV squash. He then talks briefly about the big matches in his career but his voice is incredibly monotone and soft that you just want to fall asleep. A waste of time. Morales was absolutely dreadful during this run.
Freddie Blassie and Jimmy Hart join the set. Vince brings up both men were insulting each other but they just blame Vince and Heenan for what was said earlier. They talk about the “Manager of the Year” award as each man believes that they will win. Vince then says that next week’s guest will be a late entry for the award, which has them worried.
Next week’s guests include Tito Santana, Terry Funk, Uncle Elmer and the newest entrant for the “Manager of the Year” Award, Hillbilly Jim. After Jim is mentioned, Hart and Blassie start to laugh hysterically. It was pretty damn funny to watch them crack up.
Final Thoughts: The Savage and Blassie stuff was fun. Watching McGraw fucked up out of his mind was something else too. This episode was good though, as it continued the angle of Savage being the hottest free agent in wrestling, which was refreshing.

Random Old School Wrestling Questions…

Hey Scott,

I have a couple of questions for you and they both kinda/sorta involve Christmas shows:

1) I remember hearing a while ago about how Dusty wanted to put the NWA Title on Rick Steiner at Starrcade '88. I didn't think anything of it and thought it was a joke. So last night I was watching one of the August 1988 episodes of World Championship Wrestling via Classics on Demand and saw Rick in a few segments. One thing led to another and I found a few other places online that noted Dusty did in fact want to put the title on Rick. Now I have to ask, what was the thought process behind this? Did Dusty really think that would be a good idea? Also, with Flair/Luger as the main event and definitely a big time match, how could Steiner have even won the belt? Would they have called an audible and not gone through with Flair/Luger?

2) I'm listening to Stone Cold Steve Austin's podcast with Jim Cornette and Cornette was talking about how Christmas used to be a huge time period for wrestling in the territory days. Now it seems like it's a wrestling dead period as WWE is just killing time until the Royal Rumble/WrestleMania season. And to me, WWE's approach makes sense since general television viewership declines after Thanksgiving which is why most TV shows try to wrap up their seasons by the first week of December. I also remember hearing an interview with Eric Bischoff where when he first took over WCW, he placed the emphasis on SuperBrawl, not Starrcade, because he thought December pay-per-views were a hard draw. Why was this different in the territory days? Even though the territories didn't make the money off TV that WWE does now or even WCW did in the 90's, TV was the main catalyst for the territorial live events which were their main source of revenue.


1)  It wasn't so much Dusty thinking it was a good idea as much as it was him throwing a giant hissy fit at Ric Flair and trying to destroy him.  I think they were gonna do some kind of injury angle to hotshot Steiner in there, but either way it was just a ridiculous power play by Dusty to try and show Flair who was boss.  
2)  It used to be different BECAUSE Christmas was such a dead time.  There was no competition and people were hanging around the house and looking for stuff to do.  No idea why they can't capitalize on that these days, actually.  

Flair In Sin City

Scott, any idea why Ric Flair was so desperately keen to return to WCW in January 1993? If I remember rightly,he returned at SuperBrawl that February but due to legal tie-ups didn't actually wrestle until July. Why did he hotshot his WWF exit with little hype then gladly sit out six months? Why not hang around for the Mania 9 payday and some priceless "Nature Boy In Vegas" vignettes? Flair v Savage II,Flair v Hogan,Flair/Luger v Savage/Perfect or even Flair/Razor would have been decent options for that show.

I think he was just really unhappy with his time in the WWF at that point and felt like WCW would be better money and people he knew.  Flair's never really been one for well-thought decisions in the first place.  

BoD Daily Update

Batista Returning to the WWE?

There have been internet and radio adds for the 2/16 WWE House Show in Las Vegas that promote the appearance of Batista. Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com spoke with sources in the WWE that confirmed he was expected back and that the adds were released prematurely.

Credit Mike Johnson, PWInsider.com

Original Finish to the TLC Unification Match Switched?

The original house show lineups post-TLC featured Cena vs. Orton wrestling in unification matches, meaning the PPV match would have had a screw-job finish. Apparently, all sides realized that another PPV ending like that would be a good idea.

Credit Bryan Alvarez, Figure Four Weekly Newsletter

Reason For Natalya’s Drunk Text Messaging Storyline From “Total Diva’s?”

The story of Natalya sending messages to Stephanie McMahon while intoxicated was not legit but it was based off of a real-life incident. Apparently, this was based off of a male wrestler who either send messages by text or phone to Vince McMahon, essentially expressing that he was frustrated and deserved a better position on the card. It is not believed that the incident led to the male performer being buried or anything but he was spoken to and has not behaved like that since. Although the name of the performer was not revealed, Dave Meltzer said that it was not Dolph Ziggler

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Richie Steamboat Released

Steamboat was released a few months back. He has not wrestled in well over a year due to a back injury.

Credit Mike Johnson, PWInsider.com

Smackdown – December 20, 2013

December 20, 2013
AT&T Center, San Antonio, Texas
Michael Cole, John Bradshaw Layfield
Reviewed by Tommy Hall
getting closer to the end of the year and the main story coming out
of Monday is the potential for a three way feud between Cena, Orton
and Bryan. Daniel had the champion beaten but Orton cheated to get
out of the match, drawing in Cena for the save. It should be
interesting to hear Bryan’s thoughts on Cena running in to help him.
Let’s get to it.

open with a recap from Monday with Cena cutting Orton off and the
Authority giving Orton a match with Daniel Bryan, because the last
few months of the Authority trying to crush Bryan are completely
forgotten. The match recap doesn’t do it justice.
Orton to brag about becoming undisputed champion some more. He only
has the WWE Championship this week. Orton says the Authority
rewarded him with a match against Daniel Bryan. Randy beat him then
beat John Cena when he tries to interfere because he just doesn’t
care. This brings out Cena as they’re moving fast tonight. Orton
says Cena needs to respect him but Cena says he’s here to keep Orton
from looking like a fool. If Orton doesn’t want to be a champion he
should get out.
is the center of the WWE and everyone is going to be hunting him.
It’s up to Orton to determine how he wants to be remembered and on
Monday he was a giant coward. Orton says he did what he had to do to
win, but Cena points out the truth: Bryan won by DQ. Cena spent
weeks telling us that Orton always runs away and takes the easy way
out, hoping that Orton would come to fight at TLC. That’s exactly
what happened, but the next night Orton was taking the easy way out
says Bryan isn’t getting another rematch but here’s Daniel with
something to say. He understands Orton is too afraid to give him a
rematch because when Bryan beats him, the myth that Randy Orton is
the best comes tumbling down. On top of that, Bryan knows that when
Cena beats Orton for the title, he’ll get the shot he deserves.
Orton says that’s never going to happen because the Authority won’t
allow it. The fans don’t like that idea but here’s Shield to
interrupt some more. Orton bails to the floor but here’s Punk to
even the sides before Shield gets to the ring. Vickie comes out and
makes one heck of a six man for later.
Swagger vs. Big E. Langston
has a sign saying Deport Santa Claus because he’s that awesome. This
is non-title of course and was set up by the tag match from Raw. Zeb
sits in on commentary and talks about confusing Santa Claus with
Santa Anna since they were both singing Feliz Navidad. Langston runs
Jack over to start but Swagger takes him into the corner to take
over. A clothesline gets two and Langston gets caught in a front
facelock. Big E. fights out of the hold and throws Swagger down,
setting up the Warrior Splash for two. Henry runs Cesaro over for no
apparent reason and the distraction lets Big E. hit the Big Ending
for the pin at 2:54.
Snuka vs. Brie Bella
sits in on commentary and we get a clip of that great superkick to
Nikki from Raw. Brie hits a quick cross body for two and sends
Tamina out to the floor before slapping Snuka in the face. Tamina
slams Brie down and kicks her in the ribs a few times. A knee drop
gets the same as AJ wants to know why she has to keep defending
against the same girls over and over. Cole asks if Tamina could get
a shot but AJ says Tamina knows where her bread is buttered. “And
she should know because I make a mean breakfast.”
comes back with a running knee to the face and a middle rope
dropkick. Cole talks about Brie getting engaged on the season finale
of Total Divas, giving AJ this great jab: “She’s engaged? That
should make her #1 contender!” As a follow up Cole asks if AJ has
been asked to be part of season two. “No. I was hugged as a child
and don’t need the attention.” Tamina comes back with a superkick
but the Superfly Splash hits knees, giving Brie the rollup pin at
C-. The match was nothing
special outside of that superkick but AJ’s commentary made this far
more entertaining. The line about making Tamina breakfast got a
laugh out of me and everything she said about the reality show is
true. Why should she keep defending the title against the same girls
she’s beaten time after time? Some of the comments she made could be
planting seeds for Tamina to turn on her as well which makes things
more interesting.
shoves AJ down post match.
Cara vs. Drew McIntyre
is quickly sent over the top rope, followed by a nice flip dive by
the masked man. Back inside and a high cross body gets two on
McIntyre but he throws Sin down. A knee drop has Cara in trouble but
he jumps over Drew in the corner and armdrags him down. I can’t
imagine how badly the original Sin Cara would have botched that. A
handspring elbow gets two on McIntyre before a kick to the head sets
up a Swanton Bomb for the pin at 2:05. Just a step above a squash
here. JBL gets in his line about how it’s like a new Sin Cara.
Clay vs. Tensai
takes him into the corner and drives shoulders into Brodus’ ample
gut. A clothesline drops Clay but he avoids the backsplash. Clay
hits a pair of splashes in the corner and a running splash gets two.
Another splash gets no cover and Brodus does the dinosaur claws
dance. Cue the Funkadactyls with Xavier Woods for the distraction
and, say it with me, Tensai rolls Brodus up for the pin at 1:45. I
have no idea how this is supposed to help either guy but I’m sure it
will be explained to me later.
and Woods beat up Brodus post match, setting up a dance party.
Rhodes/Goldust vs. Wyatt Family
again, meaning you can probably pencil in the brothers for a loss.
Goldust and Erick get things going but Rowan doesn’t move for the
deep breath. Instead Goldust punches the mask off of him, only to
get shoulder blocked down. Goldust comes back with some right hands,
sending Rowan off to the corner for the tag to Harper. Off to Cody
who brings Harper into the champions’ corner before bringing Goldust
right back in.
takes over with some uppercuts to the jaw and drags Goldust out to
the corner for the tag to Rowan. Erick is at the top of his weak
offensive game here with choking, stomping and right hands. Harper
comes back in with an uppercut for two with that disturbing look on
his face. Goldust fights back but misses a cross body, sending him
out to the floor and right in front of Wyatt as we take a break.
with Harper Gator rolling Goldust as Cole asks about Sister Abigail.
Rowan comes back in for a claw hold and a big toss across the ring.
Goldust finally gets an elbow up in the corner to stop a charging
Rowan but Harper breaks up the hot tag attempt. A DDT puts Harper
down a second later and there’s the tag off to Rhodes.
speeds things up with a springboard missile dropkick followed by the
Disaster Kick to Harper. The moonsault press gets two but Rowan
makes the save. Goldust sends him to the floor and dives off the
apron to take him down, but Wyatt hits a quick big boot to Goldust’s
jaw. Harper picks Cody up by the ears (this guy really is evil) and
takes his head off with the discus lariat for the pin at 11:04 shown
of 14:34.
C+. The losing streak is here
and there’s nothing that can be done about it. These recurring ideas
are all the proof you need that a change in the booking is
desperately needed. Earlier tonight we had the distraction into the
rollup and now we have the losing streak. That’s roughly 40% of all
the ideas they have and they used them in less than half an hour.
match Bray leans upside down in the corner as he goes after Cody,
drawing out Bryan with a chair to take out the Family. He takes Bray
down and pounds away but has to fight off Rowan which allows Bray to
Sandow doesn’t like Christmas. It’s nothing but a bunch of adults
asking for stuff they don’t need, children asking for things they
haven’t earned, and filthy houses with ugly decorations. That’s why
he’s going to cancel Christmas this coming Monday, but he’s cut off
by….Miz, who I thought was a heel. Miz gives him the “really”
treatment and says he knows Santa. They celebrate Santa where he
comes from and Sandow couldn’t carry Santa’s sack.
Miz vs. Damien Sandow
takes him into the corner to start and scores with some clotheslines.
Sandow tries to get a boot up in the corner but Miz wraps it around
the ropes and kicks at the knee. The Figure Four goes on but Sandow
gets to the rope. A rollup with a handful of trunks is enough to pin
Miz at 1:28. I have no idea what the point of this match was as the
promo could have done the same thing. Mark Henry fighting to save
Christmas from the Latin speaking Sandow Claus is going to be
glorious though.
for the History of WWE DVD.
Kingston vs. Fandango
gets the jobber entrance as JBL calls Fandango a male Shakira. “His
hips don’t lie.” Cole: “….oh God.” Fandango grabs a
headlock to start but Kofi comes back with a dropkick. A clothesline
gets two on Kingston and Fandango pounds some elbows into Kofi’s
chest. We hit the chinlock for a bit but Kofi avoids a middle rope
knee drop. Kofi comes back with some chops and a dropkick followed
by the Boom Drop. Fandango bails to the floor to avoid Trouble in
Paradise and trips Kofi to send him to the mat. The guillotine
legdrop gets the pin at 3:40.
D. I guess it’s time to push
Fandango again and we’re going with Miz as a face again. Fandango
has potential and thankfully his character has evolved past the point
of just dancing and saying his name. Kofi continues to be in the
same spot on the card as always and he’ll still be over no matter
what happens to him.
Wyatts jump Bryan in the back, presumably taking him out of the six
man later. Bray drops to his knees and says “ashes ashes, we all
fall down.” The Family throws him off a ledge which appeared to be
a few feet high.
vs. CM Punk/John Cena
works for me. Punk and Ambrose get things going with CM going after
the arm. Ambrose is driven into the corner and it’s off to Cena for
a shoulder block. The bulldog puts Dean down again and it’s back to
Punk who gets two off a middle rope elbow. We take a break and come
back with Reigns holding Cena for a kick from Rollins. Back to
Ambrose to pepper Cena with with right hands but John belly to back
suplexes him to get a breather.
rest doesn’t last long though as Reigns comes in with headbutts and a
lot of shouting. There’s the awesome Superman Punch before it’s off
to Rollins for a forearm to Cena’s face. Cena avoids a charge in the
corner but rolls towards Shield, allowing Rollins to tag out to
Ambrose. Dean hits a dropkick up against the ropes before it’s back
to Rollins for some right hands in the corner.
is sat on the top rope but headbutts Rollins down to escape a
superplex. Ambrose comes back in but walks into a tornado DDT.
There’s the hot tag to Punk who takes Ambrose down with a leg lariat
and hits a running knee to Rollins’ chin. Seth rolls to the floor
for a suicide dive followed by the running knee in the corner back
inside. The Macho Elbow looks to set up the GTS but Ambrose breaks
it up. Punk drops of them with the neckbreaker/DDT combo for two on
Rollins. Reigns makes the save and Shield triple teams Punk for the
DQ at 9:48 shown of 13:18.
C+. Good match as you would
expect from these guys but the ending was lame. Cena sold the heck
out of that beating by staying down as long as he did but there might
have been more done to him on the floor. This keeps the Punk vs.
Shield going which could keep tying him into the Authority.
comes in for the save but Reigns hits the spear to take him down.
Punk is about to take the Triple Bomb but Cena makes another save.
The superheroes are in trouble but here’s Big E. Langston for the
real save. Ambrose and Rollins are sent to the floor and we get the
showdown between Langston and Reigns but Punk gets a chair, sending
Roman out to the floor. Shield backs off to end the show.
C-. Langston
interfering to end the show is a really interesting idea as his NXT
work has shown how capable he is of being a monster face.
Unfortunately that’s about all that held my interest tonight other
than AJ’s commentary. There’s just nothing here of interest with a
bunch of squashes complete with overdone finishes plus Miz being a
face again for no apparent reason. Also I guess we’re just going to ignore Reigns spearing Ambrose on Sunday.  Not an interesting show here but
it wasn’t the worst two hours ever.
E. Langston b. Jack Swagger – Big Ending
Bella b. Tamina Snuka – Rollup
Cara b. Drew McIntyre – Swanton Bomb
b. Brodus Clay – Rollup
Family b. Cody Rhodes/Goldust – Discus lariat to Rhodes
Sandow b. The Miz – Rollup with a handful of trunks
b. Kofi Kingston – Guillotine legdrop
Punk/John Cena b. Shield via DQ when Shield triple teamed Bryan
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The Next Big Thing ?

Now, we all know what CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar was like. Basically, they blew the roof off during that Summerslam match. But I feel, such ***** matches should be treated in a super-special way by not having another match. The second match will not only live up to the expectations, but also make Lesnar look weak when he has to return the job to Punk. Their once-in-a-lifetime masterpiece was just PERFECT in every facet of pro-wrestling and it was the smartest way they could’ve booked either guy. Now, my question to you is : After watching how brilliant Punk vs Lesnar was, can you imagine how terrifyingly awesome Daniel Bryan vs Brock Lesnar can be ? Lesnar treating Bryan like a little bitch throughout, and almost KILLING him during the process before Bryan makes his legendary babyface comeback and beats the shit out of Lesnar all over the place and MURDERS him with the RUNNING KNEE OF DOOM or makes him tap out or something. Sure, that may sound chimerical, but at this point I’d do just ANYTHING to make Bryan the biggest star today. Do you see Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan happening anytime in the future ?

There would basically be no advantage to Brock even taking that match from a financial standpoint.  He’s  not gonna main event with it and otherwise you can’t justify his salary using him to put over some goat-faced B+ guy.   Now Randy Orton, there’s a stud worthy of the match.  Hasn’t years of watching this product taught you anything?

Apter Speculates Hogan at Mania

Hey Scott,

I visited Apter's Alley, one of the coolest places for any wrestling fan, and tried to get some answers from Wonderful Willie about the Hulkster's status at Mania30.



I think Hulk's usage at WM21 was just about perfect — rescue Eugene from the evil bullies as a big surprise, do some posing, get out again before people got sick of him.  

Top Ten Bryan Matches of 2013 Plug

Has anyone outside of Japan ever had this many MOTYC-level matches in one calendar year? There were even matches I felt bad about leaving off, like his six man with Orton and Kane against the Shield from a June Smackdown, not to mention the Night of Champions match.

I'd still go with Punk-Lesnar over Bryan-Cena, but either way my vote will be going to something from NJPW this year.  

BoD Daily Update

WWE.com Smackdown Preview


Goldberg Update

The WWE has reached out to Bill Goldberg to appear at WrestleMania. However, the word is that he “drives a hard bargain” and it doesnt appear that they are close to a deal.

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter

WWE Working on a New Logo

The WWE apparently has fifteen or so logos to choose from. No word on when it will be revealed

Credit Dave Meltzer Wrestling Observer Newsletter

How Much Did AJ Styles Earn From TNA This Year

It is believed that AJ earned about $350,000 while working for TNA in 2013. It is rumored that his most recent contract would have him earn around $200,000 in 2014, although it was largely a per appearance deal.

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter

NXT Name and Gimmick Change

Leo Kruger will now be known as “Adam Rose.” His character is going to be that of a crazy rock star, reportedly based off of Russell Brand’s “Aldus Snow” character from the films “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” and “Get Him to the Greek.”

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter

A+ Match of the Day

Early start today, lots of holiday stuff to do…who would have thunk Paul Roma would be such a controversial point of discussion. Almost made me want to look up a Power & Glory match. Maybe next week.

For the weekend you guys get a Royal Rumble. We’ve done 1990 and 1994 so far but not we’ll skip ahead a few years and go to the 2003 edition. Enjoy the weekend!