Vince McMahon Plug

Hey Scott,

I know Vince McMahon is discussed at length on this blog roll, usually with incredulity, but I was wondering if you wouldn’t mind sharing my look at where he’s headed as a promoter (though he’d sure hate to be called that today), and my examination of just how his mojo ran out. There’s been a lot of talk of Vince losing his mind over the past several years, but I think this puts it in perspective.

Thanks in advance for giving it a look-see.

I’d totally watch a show where Vince gets dropped into a jungle and has to survive off the land.  Frankly I’m shocked Vince hasn’t done any celebrity reality shows over the years, he’d be PERFECT for almost any of them.  He’d create drama, blow up at other contestants at a moment’s notice and constantly think he’s better than everyone else while trying to win their favor.  It would be breathtakingly great TV.

Anyway, that aside, good article.  Vince is a complex guy to say the least.

Vince McMahon Plug

Hey Scott,

I know Vince McMahon is discussed at length on this blog roll, usually with incredulity, but I was wondering if you wouldn’t mind sharing my look at where he’s headed as a promoter (though he’d sure hate to be called that today), and my examination of just how his mojo ran out. There’s been a lot of talk of Vince losing his mind over the past several years, but I think this puts it in perspective.

Thanks in advance for giving it a look-see.

I’d totally watch a show where Vince gets dropped into a jungle and has to survive off the land.  Frankly I’m shocked Vince hasn’t done any celebrity reality shows over the years, he’d be PERFECT for almost any of them.  He’d create drama, blow up at other contestants at a moment’s notice and constantly think he’s better than everyone else while trying to win their favor.  It would be breathtakingly great TV.

Anyway, that aside, good article.  Vince is a complex guy to say the least.

Vince McMahon Plug

Hey Scott,

I know Vince McMahon is discussed at length on this blog roll, usually with incredulity, but I was wondering if you wouldn’t mind sharing my look at where he’s headed as a promoter (though he’d sure hate to be called that today), and my examination of just how his mojo ran out. There’s been a lot of talk of Vince losing his mind over the past several years, but I think this puts it in perspective.

Thanks in advance for giving it a look-see.

I’d totally watch a show where Vince gets dropped into a jungle and has to survive off the land.  Frankly I’m shocked Vince hasn’t done any celebrity reality shows over the years, he’d be PERFECT for almost any of them.  He’d create drama, blow up at other contestants at a moment’s notice and constantly think he’s better than everyone else while trying to win their favor.  It would be breathtakingly great TV.

Anyway, that aside, good article.  Vince is a complex guy to say the least.

Sin Cara: Turning Japanese?

If you want a scoop to blog about, they are still available on WWE Japan Shop:
http://wwejapanshop.jp/t-shirt/TSS207Q.html

I ordered three XLs.  If I get them, can I trade you one in return for
access to the password for your Rant archive, and a signed picture of
you wearing the shirt?

 

Not that anyone actually prints photos anymore, but sure, deal.

Are we sure those aren’t Hunico’s genitals?  Either way, it does certainly confirm the stories I’ve heard about Sin Cara being a big dick backstage and overly cocky for his position.

Sin Cara: Turning Japanese?

If you want a scoop to blog about, they are still available on WWE Japan Shop:
http://wwejapanshop.jp/t-shirt/TSS207Q.html

I ordered three XLs.  If I get them, can I trade you one in return for
access to the password for your Rant archive, and a signed picture of
you wearing the shirt?

 

Not that anyone actually prints photos anymore, but sure, deal.

Are we sure those aren’t Hunico’s genitals?  Either way, it does certainly confirm the stories I’ve heard about Sin Cara being a big dick backstage and overly cocky for his position.

Sin Cara: Turning Japanese?

If you want a scoop to blog about, they are still available on WWE Japan Shop:
http://wwejapanshop.jp/t-shirt/TSS207Q.html

I ordered three XLs.  If I get them, can I trade you one in return for
access to the password for your Rant archive, and a signed picture of
you wearing the shirt?

 

Not that anyone actually prints photos anymore, but sure, deal.

Are we sure those aren’t Hunico’s genitals?  Either way, it does certainly confirm the stories I’ve heard about Sin Cara being a big dick backstage and overly cocky for his position.

WWE: The TV Show

Hi Scott Long time reader. I recently saw on AV Club that another drama series about wrestling is apparently being developed, this one by Jerry Bruckheimer set in the 80’s. That may or may not happen, however, and you may well have touched on this at some point but bear with me (or not…up to you!), I’d be interested to hear your thoughts in more detail as to precisely what a hypothetical series on wrestling would ideally look like.

What era would you set it in? What specific personalities would you base the characters on? What would be the overall arc of the story? What would the opening credits look like and to what piece of music? Any actors you think would suit it? Just basically fantasy booking I know. Nevertheless, if you’re ever so inclined I’d be interested to hear.

You could do a hell of a show with characters based on Randy Savage & Elizabeth (the paranoid psycho and his hot wife), Hulk Hogan (the prima donna megastar who wants to do movies), Junkyard Dog (the fading southern black star with a huge coke problems), the Von Erichs (pampered kids accustomed to the world falling at their feet)…it doesn’t even have to be specifically about the WWF.  There’s so many ridiculous characters, ribs and stories from that period that you can mix and match whatever you want.  Foley’s book alone gives you stuff like Eric Embry booking naked and all of his crazy road stories.  I’d say I’d make the arc from the “wrestling emerging from smoky bingo halls” tropes that Vince puts forward (except you really can write a story about them being in those halls to start) and moving through Vince expanding nationally and then you can watch the 80s stars fade away or self-destruct until a fictional WCW comes along and knocks them off in the 90s.  I think the rise and fall of the coke-fuelled 80s, like Boogie Nights with wrestling stars, would be a hell of a show.  You’d need  a main character for the audience to identity with, which is where it gets tricky, though.  You’d need someone like a Howard Finkel, who is around everything and knows everything and everyone but doesn’t get caught up in it.  I’m not sure about the casting, but Treat Williams should be Vince McMahon, of that I am certain. 

WWE: The TV Show

Hi Scott Long time reader. I recently saw on AV Club that another drama series about wrestling is apparently being developed, this one by Jerry Bruckheimer set in the 80’s. That may or may not happen, however, and you may well have touched on this at some point but bear with me (or not…up to you!), I’d be interested to hear your thoughts in more detail as to precisely what a hypothetical series on wrestling would ideally look like.

What era would you set it in? What specific personalities would you base the characters on? What would be the overall arc of the story? What would the opening credits look like and to what piece of music? Any actors you think would suit it? Just basically fantasy booking I know. Nevertheless, if you’re ever so inclined I’d be interested to hear.

You could do a hell of a show with characters based on Randy Savage & Elizabeth (the paranoid psycho and his hot wife), Hulk Hogan (the prima donna megastar who wants to do movies), Junkyard Dog (the fading southern black star with a huge coke problems), the Von Erichs (pampered kids accustomed to the world falling at their feet)…it doesn’t even have to be specifically about the WWF.  There’s so many ridiculous characters, ribs and stories from that period that you can mix and match whatever you want.  Foley’s book alone gives you stuff like Eric Embry booking naked and all of his crazy road stories.  I’d say I’d make the arc from the “wrestling emerging from smoky bingo halls” tropes that Vince puts forward (except you really can write a story about them being in those halls to start) and moving through Vince expanding nationally and then you can watch the 80s stars fade away or self-destruct until a fictional WCW comes along and knocks them off in the 90s.  I think the rise and fall of the coke-fuelled 80s, like Boogie Nights with wrestling stars, would be a hell of a show.  You’d need  a main character for the audience to identity with, which is where it gets tricky, though.  You’d need someone like a Howard Finkel, who is around everything and knows everything and everyone but doesn’t get caught up in it.  I’m not sure about the casting, but Treat Williams should be Vince McMahon, of that I am certain. 

WWE: The TV Show

Hi Scott Long time reader. I recently saw on AV Club that another drama series about wrestling is apparently being developed, this one by Jerry Bruckheimer set in the 80’s. That may or may not happen, however, and you may well have touched on this at some point but bear with me (or not…up to you!), I’d be interested to hear your thoughts in more detail as to precisely what a hypothetical series on wrestling would ideally look like.

What era would you set it in? What specific personalities would you base the characters on? What would be the overall arc of the story? What would the opening credits look like and to what piece of music? Any actors you think would suit it? Just basically fantasy booking I know. Nevertheless, if you’re ever so inclined I’d be interested to hear.

You could do a hell of a show with characters based on Randy Savage & Elizabeth (the paranoid psycho and his hot wife), Hulk Hogan (the prima donna megastar who wants to do movies), Junkyard Dog (the fading southern black star with a huge coke problems), the Von Erichs (pampered kids accustomed to the world falling at their feet)…it doesn’t even have to be specifically about the WWF.  There’s so many ridiculous characters, ribs and stories from that period that you can mix and match whatever you want.  Foley’s book alone gives you stuff like Eric Embry booking naked and all of his crazy road stories.  I’d say I’d make the arc from the “wrestling emerging from smoky bingo halls” tropes that Vince puts forward (except you really can write a story about them being in those halls to start) and moving through Vince expanding nationally and then you can watch the 80s stars fade away or self-destruct until a fictional WCW comes along and knocks them off in the 90s.  I think the rise and fall of the coke-fuelled 80s, like Boogie Nights with wrestling stars, would be a hell of a show.  You’d need  a main character for the audience to identity with, which is where it gets tricky, though.  You’d need someone like a Howard Finkel, who is around everything and knows everything and everyone but doesn’t get caught up in it.  I’m not sure about the casting, but Treat Williams should be Vince McMahon, of that I am certain. 

WM 23 Clarified

Justin Shapiro writes…

Scottholomew,
Was checking out the ol’ blog (thanks for the kind words a few weeks back) and I can help answer the WM23 question.
HHH/Cena was the planned main event all year and was to be promoted as "Cena/Triple H 2" like a boxing or UFC fight, positioned as the historic rematch between the two greatest men.  

Michaels was going to be Trump’s wrestler against King Booker wrestling for Vince. Cena vs. Orton vs. Edge was their first replacement choice when HHH got hurt in order to keep Michaels in the Trump match before they decided Shawn was the better option for Cena.
Hogan vs. Big Show and later Hogan vs. Great Khali were also planned for the 20th anniversary of WM3 to recreate Hogan/Andre, and Hogan was trying to angle the Trump stuff into his match. (There was also a push that Khali/Hogan shouldn’t try to have a match so Hogan would wrestle Shane McMahon bodyguarded by Khali and Khali would just come in for the big bodyslam spot.) But Vince kicked Hogan off the show when he was on Bubba the Love Sponge and took a call on the air from Vince’s secretary about the internal list of Hall of Fame candidates for that year. So then it became Lashley vs. Khali, and because they figured Umaga could have a million times better match, that’s how it ended up being Umaga vs. "Bobby Lindsey, a black gentleman who is the strongest guy I’ve ever seen" according to Trump.

They totally should have started introducing Lashley that way.  I definitely remember the Hogan-Big Show stuff.  Thanks for the clarification!

WM 23 Clarified

Justin Shapiro writes…

Scottholomew,
Was checking out the ol’ blog (thanks for the kind words a few weeks back) and I can help answer the WM23 question.
HHH/Cena was the planned main event all year and was to be promoted as "Cena/Triple H 2" like a boxing or UFC fight, positioned as the historic rematch between the two greatest men.  

Michaels was going to be Trump’s wrestler against King Booker wrestling for Vince. Cena vs. Orton vs. Edge was their first replacement choice when HHH got hurt in order to keep Michaels in the Trump match before they decided Shawn was the better option for Cena.
Hogan vs. Big Show and later Hogan vs. Great Khali were also planned for the 20th anniversary of WM3 to recreate Hogan/Andre, and Hogan was trying to angle the Trump stuff into his match. (There was also a push that Khali/Hogan shouldn’t try to have a match so Hogan would wrestle Shane McMahon bodyguarded by Khali and Khali would just come in for the big bodyslam spot.) But Vince kicked Hogan off the show when he was on Bubba the Love Sponge and took a call on the air from Vince’s secretary about the internal list of Hall of Fame candidates for that year. So then it became Lashley vs. Khali, and because they figured Umaga could have a million times better match, that’s how it ended up being Umaga vs. "Bobby Lindsey, a black gentleman who is the strongest guy I’ve ever seen" according to Trump.

They totally should have started introducing Lashley that way.  I definitely remember the Hogan-Big Show stuff.  Thanks for the clarification!

WM 23 Clarified

Justin Shapiro writes…

Scottholomew,
Was checking out the ol’ blog (thanks for the kind words a few weeks back) and I can help answer the WM23 question.
HHH/Cena was the planned main event all year and was to be promoted as "Cena/Triple H 2" like a boxing or UFC fight, positioned as the historic rematch between the two greatest men.  

Michaels was going to be Trump’s wrestler against King Booker wrestling for Vince. Cena vs. Orton vs. Edge was their first replacement choice when HHH got hurt in order to keep Michaels in the Trump match before they decided Shawn was the better option for Cena.
Hogan vs. Big Show and later Hogan vs. Great Khali were also planned for the 20th anniversary of WM3 to recreate Hogan/Andre, and Hogan was trying to angle the Trump stuff into his match. (There was also a push that Khali/Hogan shouldn’t try to have a match so Hogan would wrestle Shane McMahon bodyguarded by Khali and Khali would just come in for the big bodyslam spot.) But Vince kicked Hogan off the show when he was on Bubba the Love Sponge and took a call on the air from Vince’s secretary about the internal list of Hall of Fame candidates for that year. So then it became Lashley vs. Khali, and because they figured Umaga could have a million times better match, that’s how it ended up being Umaga vs. "Bobby Lindsey, a black gentleman who is the strongest guy I’ve ever seen" according to Trump.

They totally should have started introducing Lashley that way.  I definitely remember the Hogan-Big Show stuff.  Thanks for the clarification!

A Jeff Jarrett Question

In the Overrated Matches thread, the notion that during the Monday Night Wars Jeff Jarrett always jumped at the wrong time was brought up, which is a sentiment I’ve seen expressed quite a bit. Surely this isn’t the case?

 

He got out of the WWF in 96 when the company was struggling; spent a year in WCW when the nWo angle was at its hottest; headed back to the WWF just in time for the Attitude era; and, when it became apparent he was never going to break through the glass ceiling, jumped ship to WCW in 99, complete with a handsome payoff for dropping the Intercontinental title to Chyna. Admittedly, from there things went to hell until he started up TNA, but still, the timing of his jumps seems pretty sound to me, particularly from a financial perspective (I’m assuming that he must’ve made good money through October 1996 to October 1999, given that he was consistently pushed in the midcard/often holding some title or another, not to mention that WCW probably gave him more than he was worth in 99 to convince him to join). Considering what he’s achieved with TNA, isn’t Jarrett one of the greater success stories from the last fifteen years?

Really, a Jeff Jarrett question?  Is that still a thing?  Hey, whatever.

Anyway, yes, Jarrett is absolutely a case of someone achieving far beyond his talent level, no doubt.  He was lucky enough to be a name guy who was available during two different periods when the major promotions were looking for talent to raid, and his second WCW run gave him the World title he’d never have gotten under any other circumstances.  Unless it was him buying an entire promotion as a vanity project.

TNA is a different argument altogether, though.  I would like to once again point out what a giant financial failure on every level it was back in 2002 and continues to be.  The difference is that he now has Panda to finance the losses.  Were it not for Dixie Carter’s dad, TNA would have ceased to exist in 2002.  I really can’t count that as success, sorry.

A Jeff Jarrett Question

In the Overrated Matches thread, the notion that during the Monday Night Wars Jeff Jarrett always jumped at the wrong time was brought up, which is a sentiment I’ve seen expressed quite a bit. Surely this isn’t the case?

 

He got out of the WWF in 96 when the company was struggling; spent a year in WCW when the nWo angle was at its hottest; headed back to the WWF just in time for the Attitude era; and, when it became apparent he was never going to break through the glass ceiling, jumped ship to WCW in 99, complete with a handsome payoff for dropping the Intercontinental title to Chyna. Admittedly, from there things went to hell until he started up TNA, but still, the timing of his jumps seems pretty sound to me, particularly from a financial perspective (I’m assuming that he must’ve made good money through October 1996 to October 1999, given that he was consistently pushed in the midcard/often holding some title or another, not to mention that WCW probably gave him more than he was worth in 99 to convince him to join). Considering what he’s achieved with TNA, isn’t Jarrett one of the greater success stories from the last fifteen years?

Really, a Jeff Jarrett question?  Is that still a thing?  Hey, whatever.

Anyway, yes, Jarrett is absolutely a case of someone achieving far beyond his talent level, no doubt.  He was lucky enough to be a name guy who was available during two different periods when the major promotions were looking for talent to raid, and his second WCW run gave him the World title he’d never have gotten under any other circumstances.  Unless it was him buying an entire promotion as a vanity project.

TNA is a different argument altogether, though.  I would like to once again point out what a giant financial failure on every level it was back in 2002 and continues to be.  The difference is that he now has Panda to finance the losses.  Were it not for Dixie Carter’s dad, TNA would have ceased to exist in 2002.  I really can’t count that as success, sorry.

A Jeff Jarrett Question

In the Overrated Matches thread, the notion that during the Monday Night Wars Jeff Jarrett always jumped at the wrong time was brought up, which is a sentiment I’ve seen expressed quite a bit. Surely this isn’t the case?

 

He got out of the WWF in 96 when the company was struggling; spent a year in WCW when the nWo angle was at its hottest; headed back to the WWF just in time for the Attitude era; and, when it became apparent he was never going to break through the glass ceiling, jumped ship to WCW in 99, complete with a handsome payoff for dropping the Intercontinental title to Chyna. Admittedly, from there things went to hell until he started up TNA, but still, the timing of his jumps seems pretty sound to me, particularly from a financial perspective (I’m assuming that he must’ve made good money through October 1996 to October 1999, given that he was consistently pushed in the midcard/often holding some title or another, not to mention that WCW probably gave him more than he was worth in 99 to convince him to join). Considering what he’s achieved with TNA, isn’t Jarrett one of the greater success stories from the last fifteen years?

Really, a Jeff Jarrett question?  Is that still a thing?  Hey, whatever.

Anyway, yes, Jarrett is absolutely a case of someone achieving far beyond his talent level, no doubt.  He was lucky enough to be a name guy who was available during two different periods when the major promotions were looking for talent to raid, and his second WCW run gave him the World title he’d never have gotten under any other circumstances.  Unless it was him buying an entire promotion as a vanity project.

TNA is a different argument altogether, though.  I would like to once again point out what a giant financial failure on every level it was back in 2002 and continues to be.  The difference is that he now has Panda to finance the losses.  Were it not for Dixie Carter’s dad, TNA would have ceased to exist in 2002.  I really can’t count that as success, sorry.