Chamber Quickies

You reviewing shows again has coincided with my return to watching wrestling, so thank you! It adds to my enjoyment. I left circa 2007 and summer of punk hooked me back in. This was my first elimination chamber ppv and I had a few quickies for you:

1-When a wrestler sells a bump in the Elimination Chamber, he does so for a LONG time while other stuff is going on. Does this kind of devalue the normal match flow where a guy might sell a move for a few seconds? I mean, there were moments last night where a guy would disapear for 5 minutes on the outside. I can’t really decide if it makes sense for the context of Satan’s Prison or whatever they call it, or if it devalues normal selling. 2-I like the concept of the chamber ppv but it sort of seems lost in between Rumble and Mania. Do you think it would be better served to move this show to the summer, maybe have the winners of each brand get title shots at Summer Slam? 3- Can Nataty Neidhart ever recover from the gimmick of the farting diva? And how mad must Bret be that they fired his nephew, DH Smith and turned his niece into the farting diva!

1.  It doesn’t make sense, it’s just sloppy match layout, although to be fair it’s endemic to multiple man matches as a whole these days.  The “toss a guy out of the ring so the other two guys can work” spot is a major pet peeve of mine and i wish they’d figure out better ways to deal with it.  Even worse, Jericho was out for like 5 minutes before the medical professionals realized he needed to get out of there.  I’m surprised Dr. James Andrews didn’t just come out there and tell him to tape it up and work through it.  At any rate, most of the better Chambers, those in the ****1/2 range, feature better pacing and more stuff going on than these ones did.  2.  I like that idea a lot, actually.  They really need to space out the important concepts so they don’t have a dead zone in the summer and this would be a fine way to give Summerslam some importance again.  Or even run it at Summerslam and give the title shots at Survivor Series, the Chamber is a dead issue as far as boosting the buyrate anyway.  3.  I’m sure Bret knows the deal with what amuses Vince by now.  Although I think Kidd and Nattie would be better off going to ROH or something so they can develop more.  Jobbing on Superstars every week isn’t doing either of them any favors. 

Chamber Quickies

You reviewing shows again has coincided with my return to watching wrestling, so thank you! It adds to my enjoyment. I left circa 2007 and summer of punk hooked me back in. This was my first elimination chamber ppv and I had a few quickies for you:

1-When a wrestler sells a bump in the Elimination Chamber, he does so for a LONG time while other stuff is going on. Does this kind of devalue the normal match flow where a guy might sell a move for a few seconds? I mean, there were moments last night where a guy would disapear for 5 minutes on the outside. I can’t really decide if it makes sense for the context of Satan’s Prison or whatever they call it, or if it devalues normal selling. 2-I like the concept of the chamber ppv but it sort of seems lost in between Rumble and Mania. Do you think it would be better served to move this show to the summer, maybe have the winners of each brand get title shots at Summer Slam? 3- Can Nataty Neidhart ever recover from the gimmick of the farting diva? And how mad must Bret be that they fired his nephew, DH Smith and turned his niece into the farting diva!

1.  It doesn’t make sense, it’s just sloppy match layout, although to be fair it’s endemic to multiple man matches as a whole these days.  The “toss a guy out of the ring so the other two guys can work” spot is a major pet peeve of mine and i wish they’d figure out better ways to deal with it.  Even worse, Jericho was out for like 5 minutes before the medical professionals realized he needed to get out of there.  I’m surprised Dr. James Andrews didn’t just come out there and tell him to tape it up and work through it.  At any rate, most of the better Chambers, those in the ****1/2 range, feature better pacing and more stuff going on than these ones did.  2.  I like that idea a lot, actually.  They really need to space out the important concepts so they don’t have a dead zone in the summer and this would be a fine way to give Summerslam some importance again.  Or even run it at Summerslam and give the title shots at Survivor Series, the Chamber is a dead issue as far as boosting the buyrate anyway.  3.  I’m sure Bret knows the deal with what amuses Vince by now.  Although I think Kidd and Nattie would be better off going to ROH or something so they can develop more.  Jobbing on Superstars every week isn’t doing either of them any favors. 

Chamber Quickies

You reviewing shows again has coincided with my return to watching wrestling, so thank you! It adds to my enjoyment. I left circa 2007 and summer of punk hooked me back in. This was my first elimination chamber ppv and I had a few quickies for you:

1-When a wrestler sells a bump in the Elimination Chamber, he does so for a LONG time while other stuff is going on. Does this kind of devalue the normal match flow where a guy might sell a move for a few seconds? I mean, there were moments last night where a guy would disapear for 5 minutes on the outside. I can’t really decide if it makes sense for the context of Satan’s Prison or whatever they call it, or if it devalues normal selling. 2-I like the concept of the chamber ppv but it sort of seems lost in between Rumble and Mania. Do you think it would be better served to move this show to the summer, maybe have the winners of each brand get title shots at Summer Slam? 3- Can Nataty Neidhart ever recover from the gimmick of the farting diva? And how mad must Bret be that they fired his nephew, DH Smith and turned his niece into the farting diva!

1.  It doesn’t make sense, it’s just sloppy match layout, although to be fair it’s endemic to multiple man matches as a whole these days.  The “toss a guy out of the ring so the other two guys can work” spot is a major pet peeve of mine and i wish they’d figure out better ways to deal with it.  Even worse, Jericho was out for like 5 minutes before the medical professionals realized he needed to get out of there.  I’m surprised Dr. James Andrews didn’t just come out there and tell him to tape it up and work through it.  At any rate, most of the better Chambers, those in the ****1/2 range, feature better pacing and more stuff going on than these ones did.  2.  I like that idea a lot, actually.  They really need to space out the important concepts so they don’t have a dead zone in the summer and this would be a fine way to give Summerslam some importance again.  Or even run it at Summerslam and give the title shots at Survivor Series, the Chamber is a dead issue as far as boosting the buyrate anyway.  3.  I’m sure Bret knows the deal with what amuses Vince by now.  Although I think Kidd and Nattie would be better off going to ROH or something so they can develop more.  Jobbing on Superstars every week isn’t doing either of them any favors. 

Chamber Quickies

You reviewing shows again has coincided with my return to watching wrestling, so thank you! It adds to my enjoyment. I left circa 2007 and summer of punk hooked me back in. This was my first elimination chamber ppv and I had a few quickies for you:

1-When a wrestler sells a bump in the Elimination Chamber, he does so for a LONG time while other stuff is going on. Does this kind of devalue the normal match flow where a guy might sell a move for a few seconds? I mean, there were moments last night where a guy would disapear for 5 minutes on the outside. I can’t really decide if it makes sense for the context of Satan’s Prison or whatever they call it, or if it devalues normal selling. 2-I like the concept of the chamber ppv but it sort of seems lost in between Rumble and Mania. Do you think it would be better served to move this show to the summer, maybe have the winners of each brand get title shots at Summer Slam? 3- Can Nataty Neidhart ever recover from the gimmick of the farting diva? And how mad must Bret be that they fired his nephew, DH Smith and turned his niece into the farting diva!

1.  It doesn’t make sense, it’s just sloppy match layout, although to be fair it’s endemic to multiple man matches as a whole these days.  The “toss a guy out of the ring so the other two guys can work” spot is a major pet peeve of mine and i wish they’d figure out better ways to deal with it.  Even worse, Jericho was out for like 5 minutes before the medical professionals realized he needed to get out of there.  I’m surprised Dr. James Andrews didn’t just come out there and tell him to tape it up and work through it.  At any rate, most of the better Chambers, those in the ****1/2 range, feature better pacing and more stuff going on than these ones did.  2.  I like that idea a lot, actually.  They really need to space out the important concepts so they don’t have a dead zone in the summer and this would be a fine way to give Summerslam some importance again.  Or even run it at Summerslam and give the title shots at Survivor Series, the Chamber is a dead issue as far as boosting the buyrate anyway.  3.  I’m sure Bret knows the deal with what amuses Vince by now.  Although I think Kidd and Nattie would be better off going to ROH or something so they can develop more.  Jobbing on Superstars every week isn’t doing either of them any favors. 

Chamber Quickies

You reviewing shows again has coincided with my return to watching wrestling, so thank you! It adds to my enjoyment. I left circa 2007 and summer of punk hooked me back in. This was my first elimination chamber ppv and I had a few quickies for you:

1-When a wrestler sells a bump in the Elimination Chamber, he does so for a LONG time while other stuff is going on. Does this kind of devalue the normal match flow where a guy might sell a move for a few seconds? I mean, there were moments last night where a guy would disapear for 5 minutes on the outside. I can’t really decide if it makes sense for the context of Satan’s Prison or whatever they call it, or if it devalues normal selling. 2-I like the concept of the chamber ppv but it sort of seems lost in between Rumble and Mania. Do you think it would be better served to move this show to the summer, maybe have the winners of each brand get title shots at Summer Slam? 3- Can Nataty Neidhart ever recover from the gimmick of the farting diva? And how mad must Bret be that they fired his nephew, DH Smith and turned his niece into the farting diva!

1.  It doesn’t make sense, it’s just sloppy match layout, although to be fair it’s endemic to multiple man matches as a whole these days.  The “toss a guy out of the ring so the other two guys can work” spot is a major pet peeve of mine and i wish they’d figure out better ways to deal with it.  Even worse, Jericho was out for like 5 minutes before the medical professionals realized he needed to get out of there.  I’m surprised Dr. James Andrews didn’t just come out there and tell him to tape it up and work through it.  At any rate, most of the better Chambers, those in the ****1/2 range, feature better pacing and more stuff going on than these ones did.  2.  I like that idea a lot, actually.  They really need to space out the important concepts so they don’t have a dead zone in the summer and this would be a fine way to give Summerslam some importance again.  Or even run it at Summerslam and give the title shots at Survivor Series, the Chamber is a dead issue as far as boosting the buyrate anyway.  3.  I’m sure Bret knows the deal with what amuses Vince by now.  Although I think Kidd and Nattie would be better off going to ROH or something so they can develop more.  Jobbing on Superstars every week isn’t doing either of them any favors. 

Chamber Quickies

You reviewing shows again has coincided with my return to watching wrestling, so thank you! It adds to my enjoyment. I left circa 2007 and summer of punk hooked me back in. This was my first elimination chamber ppv and I had a few quickies for you:

1-When a wrestler sells a bump in the Elimination Chamber, he does so for a LONG time while other stuff is going on. Does this kind of devalue the normal match flow where a guy might sell a move for a few seconds? I mean, there were moments last night where a guy would disapear for 5 minutes on the outside. I can’t really decide if it makes sense for the context of Satan’s Prison or whatever they call it, or if it devalues normal selling. 2-I like the concept of the chamber ppv but it sort of seems lost in between Rumble and Mania. Do you think it would be better served to move this show to the summer, maybe have the winners of each brand get title shots at Summer Slam? 3- Can Nataty Neidhart ever recover from the gimmick of the farting diva? And how mad must Bret be that they fired his nephew, DH Smith and turned his niece into the farting diva!

1.  It doesn’t make sense, it’s just sloppy match layout, although to be fair it’s endemic to multiple man matches as a whole these days.  The “toss a guy out of the ring so the other two guys can work” spot is a major pet peeve of mine and i wish they’d figure out better ways to deal with it.  Even worse, Jericho was out for like 5 minutes before the medical professionals realized he needed to get out of there.  I’m surprised Dr. James Andrews didn’t just come out there and tell him to tape it up and work through it.  At any rate, most of the better Chambers, those in the ****1/2 range, feature better pacing and more stuff going on than these ones did.  2.  I like that idea a lot, actually.  They really need to space out the important concepts so they don’t have a dead zone in the summer and this would be a fine way to give Summerslam some importance again.  Or even run it at Summerslam and give the title shots at Survivor Series, the Chamber is a dead issue as far as boosting the buyrate anyway.  3.  I’m sure Bret knows the deal with what amuses Vince by now.  Although I think Kidd and Nattie would be better off going to ROH or something so they can develop more.  Jobbing on Superstars every week isn’t doing either of them any favors. 

Decline of the Rumble

How you doing, Scott? Can’t help but notice that at most, Sheamus’ match against Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania will be the fourth in importance after Rock vs. Cena, Undertaker vs. Triple H, and CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho.

Also can’t help but notice that there has been a decline in the way the Royal Rumble winner is positioned at Wrestlemania. When they started having the “Royal Rumble winner gets a title shot Wrestlemania” deal, the winner of the Royal Rumble would main event Wrestlemania. His match would be the most important one on the card, if not the one that actually closed it. Things like LT vs. Bam Bam in 1995, Undertaker vs. Sid in 1997, and Austin getting into the main event despite losing the Rumble in 1999 were exceptions to the rule that the Royal Rumble winner would main event Wrestlemania. But increasingly, the Royal Rumble winner not main eventing Wrestlemania or even having his match established as the most important one on the card. Rey Mysterio and Undertaker had their title matches play second fiddle to the other brand’s title matches in 2006 and 2007, Cena used his title shot at No Way Out in 2008, Edge’s match was third in line after Cena vs. Batista and Undertaker vs. Shawn II in 2010, and Del Rio jerked the curtain last year. Orton’s main event against Triple H was the exception rather than the rule in 2009. I can see the Royal Rumble winner’s match dropping to second fiddle at most, but sliding to third in line, curtain jerker, and fourth in importance is a bit much. I guess my question to you and the folks at the blog of doom is what do you all make of this? What’s your explanation of it? Is it a positive/negative trend?

Definitely a negative trend.  Like really, has there been a Rumble winner in recent years who wasn’t even BOOKED on the February PPV?  Luckily for them, people still believe in the Rumble concept enough to keep the show from bombing ala Hell in the Cell, but really winning the Rumble has become a lot of work for little reward.  Especially when there’s title shots available so many other ways.  Del Rio’s win basically did nothing for him, as they had to waste MITB on him as well to get him the belt, and as noted John Cena didn’t even bother to cash in his shot at Wrestlemania the year he won it!  And don’t forget that Mysterio actually lost his shot to Orton in 2006 and only got back into the match via booking twist.  Plus it kind of detracts from the drama of the Rumble when you know there’s only certain people who can win it.  Plus I wouldn’t hold your breath at the prospect of Sheamus winning the belt this year.  Seems pretty clearly set up to stick Orton in there as a three-way and have him win it instead.  Frankly the Sheamus win makes less and less sense with every show where he does nothing. 

Decline of the Rumble

How you doing, Scott? Can’t help but notice that at most, Sheamus’ match against Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania will be the fourth in importance after Rock vs. Cena, Undertaker vs. Triple H, and CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho.

Also can’t help but notice that there has been a decline in the way the Royal Rumble winner is positioned at Wrestlemania. When they started having the “Royal Rumble winner gets a title shot Wrestlemania” deal, the winner of the Royal Rumble would main event Wrestlemania. His match would be the most important one on the card, if not the one that actually closed it. Things like LT vs. Bam Bam in 1995, Undertaker vs. Sid in 1997, and Austin getting into the main event despite losing the Rumble in 1999 were exceptions to the rule that the Royal Rumble winner would main event Wrestlemania. But increasingly, the Royal Rumble winner not main eventing Wrestlemania or even having his match established as the most important one on the card. Rey Mysterio and Undertaker had their title matches play second fiddle to the other brand’s title matches in 2006 and 2007, Cena used his title shot at No Way Out in 2008, Edge’s match was third in line after Cena vs. Batista and Undertaker vs. Shawn II in 2010, and Del Rio jerked the curtain last year. Orton’s main event against Triple H was the exception rather than the rule in 2009. I can see the Royal Rumble winner’s match dropping to second fiddle at most, but sliding to third in line, curtain jerker, and fourth in importance is a bit much. I guess my question to you and the folks at the blog of doom is what do you all make of this? What’s your explanation of it? Is it a positive/negative trend?

Definitely a negative trend.  Like really, has there been a Rumble winner in recent years who wasn’t even BOOKED on the February PPV?  Luckily for them, people still believe in the Rumble concept enough to keep the show from bombing ala Hell in the Cell, but really winning the Rumble has become a lot of work for little reward.  Especially when there’s title shots available so many other ways.  Del Rio’s win basically did nothing for him, as they had to waste MITB on him as well to get him the belt, and as noted John Cena didn’t even bother to cash in his shot at Wrestlemania the year he won it!  And don’t forget that Mysterio actually lost his shot to Orton in 2006 and only got back into the match via booking twist.  Plus it kind of detracts from the drama of the Rumble when you know there’s only certain people who can win it.  Plus I wouldn’t hold your breath at the prospect of Sheamus winning the belt this year.  Seems pretty clearly set up to stick Orton in there as a three-way and have him win it instead.  Frankly the Sheamus win makes less and less sense with every show where he does nothing. 

Decline of the Rumble

How you doing, Scott? Can’t help but notice that at most, Sheamus’ match against Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania will be the fourth in importance after Rock vs. Cena, Undertaker vs. Triple H, and CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho.

Also can’t help but notice that there has been a decline in the way the Royal Rumble winner is positioned at Wrestlemania. When they started having the “Royal Rumble winner gets a title shot Wrestlemania” deal, the winner of the Royal Rumble would main event Wrestlemania. His match would be the most important one on the card, if not the one that actually closed it. Things like LT vs. Bam Bam in 1995, Undertaker vs. Sid in 1997, and Austin getting into the main event despite losing the Rumble in 1999 were exceptions to the rule that the Royal Rumble winner would main event Wrestlemania. But increasingly, the Royal Rumble winner not main eventing Wrestlemania or even having his match established as the most important one on the card. Rey Mysterio and Undertaker had their title matches play second fiddle to the other brand’s title matches in 2006 and 2007, Cena used his title shot at No Way Out in 2008, Edge’s match was third in line after Cena vs. Batista and Undertaker vs. Shawn II in 2010, and Del Rio jerked the curtain last year. Orton’s main event against Triple H was the exception rather than the rule in 2009. I can see the Royal Rumble winner’s match dropping to second fiddle at most, but sliding to third in line, curtain jerker, and fourth in importance is a bit much. I guess my question to you and the folks at the blog of doom is what do you all make of this? What’s your explanation of it? Is it a positive/negative trend?

Definitely a negative trend.  Like really, has there been a Rumble winner in recent years who wasn’t even BOOKED on the February PPV?  Luckily for them, people still believe in the Rumble concept enough to keep the show from bombing ala Hell in the Cell, but really winning the Rumble has become a lot of work for little reward.  Especially when there’s title shots available so many other ways.  Del Rio’s win basically did nothing for him, as they had to waste MITB on him as well to get him the belt, and as noted John Cena didn’t even bother to cash in his shot at Wrestlemania the year he won it!  And don’t forget that Mysterio actually lost his shot to Orton in 2006 and only got back into the match via booking twist.  Plus it kind of detracts from the drama of the Rumble when you know there’s only certain people who can win it.  Plus I wouldn’t hold your breath at the prospect of Sheamus winning the belt this year.  Seems pretty clearly set up to stick Orton in there as a three-way and have him win it instead.  Frankly the Sheamus win makes less and less sense with every show where he does nothing.