Rock Responds

http://nodq.com/wwe/323905442.shtml – comments from WWE Magazine.  He’s talking about Punk, obviously, and of course Randy Orton. As a fan, I’m loving ALL of this.

Rock knows the deal.  He’s not gonna throw away a potential money angle just because Cena’s the only thing on the radar right now.  I wish more guys had his attitude and ability to pick up the thread of the feud when presented to him. 

Luger Finds Jesus

I came across this story regarding Lex Luger. Regardless of ones stance on religon I’m glad to see Luger may be turning his life around. The sport didn’t need another death, and a few years ago it sure seemed Lex was head that way. http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=36636

I think we can all agree that the finish of Bash 88…oh, sorry, wrong Luger thread.  I’m really glad Lex seems to have made peace with his demons, because for a while there it looked like he was going to be another statistic.  Perhaps someone needs to persuade Matt Hardy to look into this religion thing. 

Luger Finds Jesus

I came across this story regarding Lex Luger. Regardless of ones stance on religon I’m glad to see Luger may be turning his life around. The sport didn’t need another death, and a few years ago it sure seemed Lex was head that way. http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=36636

I think we can all agree that the finish of Bash 88…oh, sorry, wrong Luger thread.  I’m really glad Lex seems to have made peace with his demons, because for a while there it looked like he was going to be another statistic.  Perhaps someone needs to persuade Matt Hardy to look into this religion thing. 

Luger Finds Jesus

I came across this story regarding Lex Luger. Regardless of ones stance on religon I’m glad to see Luger may be turning his life around. The sport didn’t need another death, and a few years ago it sure seemed Lex was head that way. http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=36636

I think we can all agree that the finish of Bash 88…oh, sorry, wrong Luger thread.  I’m really glad Lex seems to have made peace with his demons, because for a while there it looked like he was going to be another statistic.  Perhaps someone needs to persuade Matt Hardy to look into this religion thing. 

CM Punk Also Dislikes The Rock

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/rock-a-diva-dwayne-johnson-acts-hollywood-wwe-wrestling-ring-cm-punk-article-1.980806 Obviously CM Punk would also like to get in on some of that sweet cheddar that the Cena-Rock feud is going to make, although it’s also obvious that Rock really IS better than everyone in the locker room and richer by far and therefore doesn’t need to be respectful. I kid. I think.  Anyway, these two superstars need to put this feud behind them and form the most awesome tag team in history:  PUNK ROCK.  Sign that shit, Vince.

CM Punk Also Dislikes The Rock

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/rock-a-diva-dwayne-johnson-acts-hollywood-wwe-wrestling-ring-cm-punk-article-1.980806 Obviously CM Punk would also like to get in on some of that sweet cheddar that the Cena-Rock feud is going to make, although it’s also obvious that Rock really IS better than everyone in the locker room and richer by far and therefore doesn’t need to be respectful. I kid. I think.  Anyway, these two superstars need to put this feud behind them and form the most awesome tag team in history:  PUNK ROCK.  Sign that shit, Vince.

CM Punk Also Dislikes The Rock

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/rock-a-diva-dwayne-johnson-acts-hollywood-wwe-wrestling-ring-cm-punk-article-1.980806 Obviously CM Punk would also like to get in on some of that sweet cheddar that the Cena-Rock feud is going to make, although it’s also obvious that Rock really IS better than everyone in the locker room and richer by far and therefore doesn’t need to be respectful. I kid. I think.  Anyway, these two superstars need to put this feud behind them and form the most awesome tag team in history:  PUNK ROCK.  Sign that shit, Vince.

Jumping The Shark

Scott, Was interested in your thoughts about when the various WWF/WWE titles “jumped the shark” in your mind. I’ve listed my thoughts below. I’ve limited the list to “traditional” WWF titles (pre-WCW merger and pre-WWE), since I’m a nostalgic son of a gun and pine for the return of long term title reigns and the odd Intercontinental or Tag Team title match headlining a major card or house show.

WWE Title: 1998 – 1999. In late 1997, the title was so important that at least 6 people had to conspire to (shoot) get the title off of Bret Hart before he left for the WCW. By the next year, the conspiracy (this time vs. Austin) turned kayfabe, and the title became a toy for Vince McMahon to play with. Then in 1999, Vince McMahon himself became WWE Champion.

I think it was still fairly important up until that point, actually.  I think more damage was done by the brand extension, at which point the Smackdown title became the clear second-class title.  Besides, even after Vince won the title, the HHH-Foley series made it seem important again.  It’s pretty easy to rehabilitate a belt that way. 

Intercontinental Title: 1999. Became a jobber title with such illustrious holders as Val Venis, Godfather, and the kicker, Chyna.

Chyna was a low point for the business in general, yeah, but at least she was over and people bought her in that spot.  I think that killing and reviving the belt in 2003 did it no favors, especially since it was immediately treated as an afterthought again. 

World Tag Team Title: 1988 when Andre surrendered it to Ted Dibiase (just kidding). For me it started losing its luster in 1994 when a bunch of makeshift teams started winning it. It made a slight comeback in 1998-1999 with the New Age Outlaws, Acolytes and Hardy’s, but the makeshift teams returned for 1999. Another comeback in 2000 with the Hardy’s, Dudley’s, and Edge & Christian, but the magic was gone by 2002.

I think they gave up on tag teams in general a while ago, but specifically the issue with the tag titles for me was the preponderance of Wacky Tag Team Partners Who Hate Each Other, like Cena and Michaels winning the belts to further their issue. 

European Title: 1997 when Michaels laid down for HHH. D-Lo Brown had some fun with it in 1998, but by then the title was a joke.

Was it ever not a joke? 

Hardcore Title: 2000-2001. Crash Holly defending it 24/7 was a cool concept, and worked for a while, but then things got ridiculous. I lost count, but in 2002 the title changed hands well over 130 times.

Agreed. 

Light Heavyweight Title: 1998. Gillberg.

Agreed.

Women’s Title: 1985. Wendy Richter basically co-main evented the original Wrestlemania. But then later that year, Wendy screwed Wendy and the title became an afterthought. Trish Stratus and Mickie James had some bright moments in the mid-2000’s, but to have this title replaced by the Divas title? Kind of a slap in the face to former women’s champions, but on the other hand, at least the WWE recognizes the title for what it’s worth now (eye candy and not much more).

It was never that important to begin with, even when Trish held it.  Chyna winning it from Ivory and then basically dumping it in the metaphorical garbage did almost as much damage as Madusa dumping it in the real garbage, though. 

Jumping The Shark

Scott, Was interested in your thoughts about when the various WWF/WWE titles “jumped the shark” in your mind. I’ve listed my thoughts below. I’ve limited the list to “traditional” WWF titles (pre-WCW merger and pre-WWE), since I’m a nostalgic son of a gun and pine for the return of long term title reigns and the odd Intercontinental or Tag Team title match headlining a major card or house show.

WWE Title: 1998 – 1999. In late 1997, the title was so important that at least 6 people had to conspire to (shoot) get the title off of Bret Hart before he left for the WCW. By the next year, the conspiracy (this time vs. Austin) turned kayfabe, and the title became a toy for Vince McMahon to play with. Then in 1999, Vince McMahon himself became WWE Champion.

I think it was still fairly important up until that point, actually.  I think more damage was done by the brand extension, at which point the Smackdown title became the clear second-class title.  Besides, even after Vince won the title, the HHH-Foley series made it seem important again.  It’s pretty easy to rehabilitate a belt that way. 

Intercontinental Title: 1999. Became a jobber title with such illustrious holders as Val Venis, Godfather, and the kicker, Chyna.

Chyna was a low point for the business in general, yeah, but at least she was over and people bought her in that spot.  I think that killing and reviving the belt in 2003 did it no favors, especially since it was immediately treated as an afterthought again. 

World Tag Team Title: 1988 when Andre surrendered it to Ted Dibiase (just kidding). For me it started losing its luster in 1994 when a bunch of makeshift teams started winning it. It made a slight comeback in 1998-1999 with the New Age Outlaws, Acolytes and Hardy’s, but the makeshift teams returned for 1999. Another comeback in 2000 with the Hardy’s, Dudley’s, and Edge & Christian, but the magic was gone by 2002.

I think they gave up on tag teams in general a while ago, but specifically the issue with the tag titles for me was the preponderance of Wacky Tag Team Partners Who Hate Each Other, like Cena and Michaels winning the belts to further their issue. 

European Title: 1997 when Michaels laid down for HHH. D-Lo Brown had some fun with it in 1998, but by then the title was a joke.

Was it ever not a joke? 

Hardcore Title: 2000-2001. Crash Holly defending it 24/7 was a cool concept, and worked for a while, but then things got ridiculous. I lost count, but in 2002 the title changed hands well over 130 times.

Agreed. 

Light Heavyweight Title: 1998. Gillberg.

Agreed.

Women’s Title: 1985. Wendy Richter basically co-main evented the original Wrestlemania. But then later that year, Wendy screwed Wendy and the title became an afterthought. Trish Stratus and Mickie James had some bright moments in the mid-2000’s, but to have this title replaced by the Divas title? Kind of a slap in the face to former women’s champions, but on the other hand, at least the WWE recognizes the title for what it’s worth now (eye candy and not much more).

It was never that important to begin with, even when Trish held it.  Chyna winning it from Ivory and then basically dumping it in the metaphorical garbage did almost as much damage as Madusa dumping it in the real garbage, though. 

Jumping The Shark

Scott, Was interested in your thoughts about when the various WWF/WWE titles “jumped the shark” in your mind. I’ve listed my thoughts below. I’ve limited the list to “traditional” WWF titles (pre-WCW merger and pre-WWE), since I’m a nostalgic son of a gun and pine for the return of long term title reigns and the odd Intercontinental or Tag Team title match headlining a major card or house show.

WWE Title: 1998 – 1999. In late 1997, the title was so important that at least 6 people had to conspire to (shoot) get the title off of Bret Hart before he left for the WCW. By the next year, the conspiracy (this time vs. Austin) turned kayfabe, and the title became a toy for Vince McMahon to play with. Then in 1999, Vince McMahon himself became WWE Champion.

I think it was still fairly important up until that point, actually.  I think more damage was done by the brand extension, at which point the Smackdown title became the clear second-class title.  Besides, even after Vince won the title, the HHH-Foley series made it seem important again.  It’s pretty easy to rehabilitate a belt that way. 

Intercontinental Title: 1999. Became a jobber title with such illustrious holders as Val Venis, Godfather, and the kicker, Chyna.

Chyna was a low point for the business in general, yeah, but at least she was over and people bought her in that spot.  I think that killing and reviving the belt in 2003 did it no favors, especially since it was immediately treated as an afterthought again. 

World Tag Team Title: 1988 when Andre surrendered it to Ted Dibiase (just kidding). For me it started losing its luster in 1994 when a bunch of makeshift teams started winning it. It made a slight comeback in 1998-1999 with the New Age Outlaws, Acolytes and Hardy’s, but the makeshift teams returned for 1999. Another comeback in 2000 with the Hardy’s, Dudley’s, and Edge & Christian, but the magic was gone by 2002.

I think they gave up on tag teams in general a while ago, but specifically the issue with the tag titles for me was the preponderance of Wacky Tag Team Partners Who Hate Each Other, like Cena and Michaels winning the belts to further their issue. 

European Title: 1997 when Michaels laid down for HHH. D-Lo Brown had some fun with it in 1998, but by then the title was a joke.

Was it ever not a joke? 

Hardcore Title: 2000-2001. Crash Holly defending it 24/7 was a cool concept, and worked for a while, but then things got ridiculous. I lost count, but in 2002 the title changed hands well over 130 times.

Agreed. 

Light Heavyweight Title: 1998. Gillberg.

Agreed.

Women’s Title: 1985. Wendy Richter basically co-main evented the original Wrestlemania. But then later that year, Wendy screwed Wendy and the title became an afterthought. Trish Stratus and Mickie James had some bright moments in the mid-2000’s, but to have this title replaced by the Divas title? Kind of a slap in the face to former women’s champions, but on the other hand, at least the WWE recognizes the title for what it’s worth now (eye candy and not much more).

It was never that important to begin with, even when Trish held it.  Chyna winning it from Ivory and then basically dumping it in the metaphorical garbage did almost as much damage as Madusa dumping it in the real garbage, though. 

Booster Gold: The Series?

http://insidepulse.com/2011/11/22/syfy-orders-pilot-script-for-booster-gold/ I know a lot of shows get ordered as pilots and go nowhere, but this could be awesome if it actually gets to the screen.  With a bigger budget it could be Quantum Leap for 2012, but even if they stick to the standard “glory seeking jackass superhero from the future” gimmick that would feel like a fresh idea anyway.

Booster Gold: The Series?

http://insidepulse.com/2011/11/22/syfy-orders-pilot-script-for-booster-gold/ I know a lot of shows get ordered as pilots and go nowhere, but this could be awesome if it actually gets to the screen.  With a bigger budget it could be Quantum Leap for 2012, but even if they stick to the standard “glory seeking jackass superhero from the future” gimmick that would feel like a fresh idea anyway.

Booster Gold: The Series?

http://insidepulse.com/2011/11/22/syfy-orders-pilot-script-for-booster-gold/ I know a lot of shows get ordered as pilots and go nowhere, but this could be awesome if it actually gets to the screen.  With a bigger budget it could be Quantum Leap for 2012, but even if they stick to the standard “glory seeking jackass superhero from the future” gimmick that would feel like a fresh idea anyway.

Scott’s Thoughts On RAW

I was knocked on my ass by stomach flu last night and wasn’t in condition to do much more than watch the show in between puking, but it actually was a much better show than usual.  – I really liked Punk’s opening promo, as he seemed to be legitimately having fun out there and moved by winning the title in MSG like he did.  Johnny Ace is getting close to X-Pac Heat as far as being a character where you know he’s never getting his comeuppance and where he’s programmed to make decisions that only frustrate fans.  Although “Correction, I’m UPPER management” was a funny line and perfect for his humorless delivery.  – Del Rio squashes the hell out of Zack Ryder and I’m not sure what their endgame is.  Presumably they want to push the guy, but it seems like they’re punishing the fans for making him more popular than they deem he should be.  Del Rio is already getting the title shot next week, a loss wouldn’t have hurt him in the least.  It just makes the US title, which Ryder has got to win sooner rather than later, look like a belt for losers. – Sheamus beat Jack Swagger clean with the Conan Kick in a good little match.  Sheamus is another guy where they’ve got nothing for him but he’s ready to break through as a main event babyface.  Instead of running Henry v. Show for three months you could have stuck Sheamus in there for a bit.  Whatever. – Kevin Nash’s big promo was whining about how he should have been main eventing Survivor Series against the Rock.  Right. – Cody Rhodes squashes Santino.  I like Cody but I wish he’d just pick a character and stick with it. – CM Punk beat Dolph clean with the GTS in another awesome match for Zig.  He’s another guy where he’s clearly ready to move to the next level, but they’re so set in their designated top guys that he’s got nowhere to go.  Anyway, this was a great, **** TV match with crazy good near-falls that the fans were completely buying.  I really wish they’d go with the old NWA philosophy and learn to move down guys like Cena and Orton for a while so that someone new could headline the dead December PPVs.  Would it REALLY kill Cena to have a midcard feud with someone?  Anyway, this was an awesome match and well worth going out of your way to see. – Wade Barrett beat Kofi Kingston clean (I like the finishes tonight!) by delivering the Wasteland while staring at Randy Orton.  That’s a good heel finish.  Match was a bit dull because Barrett isn’t an elite worker or anything, but it accomplished what it needed. – Show ended with a stupid Cena v. Awesome Truth interview segment that broke up the heels after only a few months together as a team.  Frankly I’m shocked that Air Boom outlasted Awesome Truth.  Anyway, that’s all I can remember about the show other than the silly Kane video, which was teasing him back in the mask again.  Hey, why not?  You can have someone throw fire at him to scar his face so he has to wear the mask, then hit him in the throat so he can’t talk and has to use the talkbox again.   So yeah, good show, first one since I started doing these again I’d say.  Back to full rants again next week. 

Scott’s Thoughts On RAW

I was knocked on my ass by stomach flu last night and wasn’t in condition to do much more than watch the show in between puking, but it actually was a much better show than usual.  – I really liked Punk’s opening promo, as he seemed to be legitimately having fun out there and moved by winning the title in MSG like he did.  Johnny Ace is getting close to X-Pac Heat as far as being a character where you know he’s never getting his comeuppance and where he’s programmed to make decisions that only frustrate fans.  Although “Correction, I’m UPPER management” was a funny line and perfect for his humorless delivery.  – Del Rio squashes the hell out of Zack Ryder and I’m not sure what their endgame is.  Presumably they want to push the guy, but it seems like they’re punishing the fans for making him more popular than they deem he should be.  Del Rio is already getting the title shot next week, a loss wouldn’t have hurt him in the least.  It just makes the US title, which Ryder has got to win sooner rather than later, look like a belt for losers. – Sheamus beat Jack Swagger clean with the Conan Kick in a good little match.  Sheamus is another guy where they’ve got nothing for him but he’s ready to break through as a main event babyface.  Instead of running Henry v. Show for three months you could have stuck Sheamus in there for a bit.  Whatever. – Kevin Nash’s big promo was whining about how he should have been main eventing Survivor Series against the Rock.  Right. – Cody Rhodes squashes Santino.  I like Cody but I wish he’d just pick a character and stick with it. – CM Punk beat Dolph clean with the GTS in another awesome match for Zig.  He’s another guy where he’s clearly ready to move to the next level, but they’re so set in their designated top guys that he’s got nowhere to go.  Anyway, this was a great, **** TV match with crazy good near-falls that the fans were completely buying.  I really wish they’d go with the old NWA philosophy and learn to move down guys like Cena and Orton for a while so that someone new could headline the dead December PPVs.  Would it REALLY kill Cena to have a midcard feud with someone?  Anyway, this was an awesome match and well worth going out of your way to see. – Wade Barrett beat Kofi Kingston clean (I like the finishes tonight!) by delivering the Wasteland while staring at Randy Orton.  That’s a good heel finish.  Match was a bit dull because Barrett isn’t an elite worker or anything, but it accomplished what it needed. – Show ended with a stupid Cena v. Awesome Truth interview segment that broke up the heels after only a few months together as a team.  Frankly I’m shocked that Air Boom outlasted Awesome Truth.  Anyway, that’s all I can remember about the show other than the silly Kane video, which was teasing him back in the mask again.  Hey, why not?  You can have someone throw fire at him to scar his face so he has to wear the mask, then hit him in the throat so he can’t talk and has to use the talkbox again.   So yeah, good show, first one since I started doing these again I’d say.  Back to full rants again next week. 

Scott’s Thoughts On RAW

I was knocked on my ass by stomach flu last night and wasn’t in condition to do much more than watch the show in between puking, but it actually was a much better show than usual.  – I really liked Punk’s opening promo, as he seemed to be legitimately having fun out there and moved by winning the title in MSG like he did.  Johnny Ace is getting close to X-Pac Heat as far as being a character where you know he’s never getting his comeuppance and where he’s programmed to make decisions that only frustrate fans.  Although “Correction, I’m UPPER management” was a funny line and perfect for his humorless delivery.  – Del Rio squashes the hell out of Zack Ryder and I’m not sure what their endgame is.  Presumably they want to push the guy, but it seems like they’re punishing the fans for making him more popular than they deem he should be.  Del Rio is already getting the title shot next week, a loss wouldn’t have hurt him in the least.  It just makes the US title, which Ryder has got to win sooner rather than later, look like a belt for losers. – Sheamus beat Jack Swagger clean with the Conan Kick in a good little match.  Sheamus is another guy where they’ve got nothing for him but he’s ready to break through as a main event babyface.  Instead of running Henry v. Show for three months you could have stuck Sheamus in there for a bit.  Whatever. – Kevin Nash’s big promo was whining about how he should have been main eventing Survivor Series against the Rock.  Right. – Cody Rhodes squashes Santino.  I like Cody but I wish he’d just pick a character and stick with it. – CM Punk beat Dolph clean with the GTS in another awesome match for Zig.  He’s another guy where he’s clearly ready to move to the next level, but they’re so set in their designated top guys that he’s got nowhere to go.  Anyway, this was a great, **** TV match with crazy good near-falls that the fans were completely buying.  I really wish they’d go with the old NWA philosophy and learn to move down guys like Cena and Orton for a while so that someone new could headline the dead December PPVs.  Would it REALLY kill Cena to have a midcard feud with someone?  Anyway, this was an awesome match and well worth going out of your way to see. – Wade Barrett beat Kofi Kingston clean (I like the finishes tonight!) by delivering the Wasteland while staring at Randy Orton.  That’s a good heel finish.  Match was a bit dull because Barrett isn’t an elite worker or anything, but it accomplished what it needed. – Show ended with a stupid Cena v. Awesome Truth interview segment that broke up the heels after only a few months together as a team.  Frankly I’m shocked that Air Boom outlasted Awesome Truth.  Anyway, that’s all I can remember about the show other than the silly Kane video, which was teasing him back in the mask again.  Hey, why not?  You can have someone throw fire at him to scar his face so he has to wear the mask, then hit him in the throat so he can’t talk and has to use the talkbox again.   So yeah, good show, first one since I started doing these again I’d say.  Back to full rants again next week.