Fwd: 10 years ago: Brock v HHH (v Rock)

———- Forwarded message ———- Hey Scott!
As we continue towards SummerSlam and the booking prospects at WrestleMania, I thought your faithful would be interested in this. 10 years ago today there was a triple threat match between Brock Lesnar, HHH and The Rock in front of 50,000+ in Melbourne.
Part 1: http://youtu.be/6y7QDEt99NY
Part 2: http://youtu.be/0-XL0gzG-hk
There's also a post-match DVD extra that's really worth checking out for the Rock-HHH lovefest: http://youtu.be/qmFg3ZMxSTg
Actually, the entire event's worth a look. There's a solid Edge v Jericho match (with Jericho rocking the mic before the bell and going off on the Australian crowd). Plus, it appears the commentary track was done in-studio after the fact and not live at ringside. Cole & Tazz are all jokes and seemingly without much direction. Fun stuff!

Terms that irritate you

Hey Scott
Saw you dislike of the usage of "IWC". Are there any other terms that piss you
off? I still loathe it when the term "WWE Universe" is used. Then there are
terms that USED to mean something, but are just ridiculous like "extreme"…

I'm doing questions this weekend on my backup netbook using a USB-tethered internet connection through my phone, so I might not be as verbose as I usually am because every second I'm online makes me want to smash the computer in frustration at how fucking slow it is.  Plus Tyson Kidd wished me a happy birthday on Facebook and then told me off, so that kind of hurt.  I decided to forgo any birthday presents this year in exchange for a new phone (Samsung Galaxy S2X) and a new laptop next week, so if anyone wants to contribute as their birthday present to me, now is the time!  

Anyway, yes, I REALLY hate the term IWC, as though we all have a convention every year where I hang out with CRZ and coordinate whether we're going to enjoy TNA that month or not.  Which is of course silly because there have been many, many weeks where my opinions on stuff differ drastically from people on this very site, or Todd Martin, or whoever.  Oddly my TNA ratings have been spot on with the guy on the Observer site every week for some reason.  
WWE Universe is also incredibly stupid.  Michael Cole's "building momentum" is a totally meaningless and annoying term.  Russo pretty much ruined "shoot", although "format sheet" also makes me want to gouge my eyeballs out whenever I hear it.  "Socially active" sounds like something like 55 year old marketing executives came up with to appeal to 12 year olds, which probably isn't far from the truth.  
There's way more, but that will get people started.  

Smackdown – August 31, 2012

August 31, 2012
Resch Center Arena, Green Bay, Wisconsin
Michael Cole, Josh Matthews
Reviewed by Tommy Hall
last week’s huge mess, hopefully Smackdown can turn things around
tonight. Last week was one of the worst shows I can remember in a
long time, which is a shame as I used to love Smackdown. Anyway,
we’re getting very close to Night of Champions now and unfortunately,
Del Rio hasn’t been hit by a bus or anything like that to keep us
from having to sit through another title shot for him. Let’s get to

You Know Your Enemy? Mine at the moment is Del Rio vs. Sheamus. I
can’t stand this feud and about 80% of that is on Del Rio.
vs. Ziggler later. Gee I wonder how that’s going to end.
Sheamus to open the show. First up, he needs to praise HHH. Sheamus
isn’t sure what HHH’s future holds but he has Sheamus’ respect. HHH
is the embodiment of a champion, which is everything Del Rio isn’t.
This brings out Damien Sandow of all people. He talks about how
Sheamus is as ignorant as he is enormous because of his praise of
goes on about Sheamus and HHH promotes a stereotype to the WWE
Universe but Sheamus cuts him off. The champ doesn’t want to hear
Sandow yap for twenty minutes so why not come into the ring right now
and have a fight. Sandow says Sheamus isn’t worth his time but
here’s Booker with a dissenting opinion. He makes Sandow vs. Sheamus
for later, which is already more exciting than anything else from
last week.
Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes
talks about how Rey is just like Sin Cara, hiding behind a mask.
Rhodes uses his power advantage to start but he ducks his head,
letting Rey get in a kick to the face. Cody sends him out to the
floor and we take a break. Back with Cody hitting a spinning suplex
for two. A release gordbuster gets two followed by some knees to the
back and a chinlock.
goes for the mask but gets sent face first into the buckle. Rey
speeds things up and hits a seated senton followed by a big kick to
the head for two. A knee to Rey’s head gets two but Mysterio kicks
Cody into 619 position. Cody catches Rey’s legs but Rey counters the
counter into a sunset flip for the pin at 5:31 shown of 9:01.
C. This was fine. It’s nice to
see Cody having an actual story on Smackdown instead of doing nothing
on Superstars every other week. I didn’t catch anything being
mentioned about Rey and Cody’s history, although at least we’re
hearing about how Cody used to be obsessed with his looks to give a
reason to the Sin Cara feud.
beats up Rey post match until Cara makes the save and puts a Sin Cara
mask on Cody.
get the first anger management segment from Monday.
vs. Natalya
is on commentary. Nattie takes her down with a headlock to start and
the place is eerily quiet. Kaitlyn shoulder blocks her down and they
head to the floor where Kaitlyn gets her head slammed into the floor.
Natalya hooks an abdominal stretch and slaps Kaitlyn’s side which
has to hurt bad. Kaitlyn comes back with some armdrags but Natalya
clotheslines her down. The Canadian runs her mouth and gets small
packaged for the pin at 2:45. Getting extra time is helping the
Divas a tiny bit but this was more about Eve, who spent the whole
match being the corporate suckup, which does nothing for me at all.
is worried about the pressure of being Raw GM is getting to AJ. He
says the match between Jericho and Ziggler never should have been
made. Vickie comes up and says this is more proof that AJ needs to
go. Sweet Christmas enough with the power struggle storylines
ReBound talks about Punk/Lawler/Cena from Monday.
management segment #2.
vs. Damien Sandow
is taken into the ropes to start and requests that the referee does
his job. Sandow tries to take it into the corner but Sheamus grabs
his beard. To avoid getting punched in the face, Damien drops to the
floor and things slow down again. The champ starts running him over
with shoulders and Sandow heads to the floor again. This time
Sheamus is tired of waiting so he goes out after Damien, only to have
his knees sent into the steps by Sandow.
gets an eight count and Sandow stomps away back inside. Off to a
chinlock which Sheamus breaks pretty quickly. A regular neckbreaker
(as opposed to the double arm version) gets two for Sandow and it’s
back to the chinlock. This one is broken even faster and Sheamus
starts his hard hitting offense.
bails to the floor for the third time but Sheamus throws him right
back in and hits the ten forearms. A slingshot shoulder block to the
back gets two and Damien heads to the floor for I think the fourth
time. White Noise is escaped and the Brogue Kick is ducked. Sandow
rolls to the floor and sprints up the ramp for the countout at 6:51.
C. This wasn’t a great match,
but it was a logical one. The idea of Sandow not being able to hang
in a fight with Sheamus makes perfect sense and having him constantly
trying to run and clear his head was a nice touch. This is exactly
what Sandow needs: to be able to rub elbows with bigger names. He
didn’t need to win here and certainly shouldn’t have, but having him
in there is a good step in the right direction.
Time Players vs. Justin Gabriel/Tyson Kidd
and Gabriel have matching yellow shirts which look like dresses on
them. Kidd and Titus get things going as the Usos Tout about how
they should be #1 contenders. Off to Young vs. Gabriel after the
starters do nothing of note. Justin takes Young to the mat after
making a blind tag, allowing Kidd to kick Darren in the face.
to Titus who powers Tyson down and brings Darren back in. The
Players are very good about tagging in and out quickly. Tyson sends
Young into the corner and tags out to Justin. An STO puts Darren
down and Justin loads up the 450, only for Titus to distract him.
Darren crotches Gabriel and hits the fireman’s carry gutbuster for
the pin at 3:13. This one looked better as he launched Gabriel into
the air and Justin was in free fall when he hit the knees.
C. I know I’ve used that rating
a lot tonight but this was exactly what the rating implies: it was ok
and right in the middle. I do like that the guys in the tag division
are actually getting a little time every week. If nothing else it
lets a lot more guys get on TV as opposed to showing up every other
PPV and have a title defense that means nothing. These matches don’t
exactly equal the Harts vs. the Bulldogs but they’re an improvement
over what we’ve been getting the last few years.
final anger management segment airs. Kane’s explanation of his
history is still hilarious.
Del Rio with something to say. Alberto brags about beating Orton
last week but doesn’t care to be reminded that Sheamus has beaten him
every time. Del Rio threatens Josh but here’s Kane for protection I
guess. Kane says he’s here to apologize for attacking Josh at
Summerslam. Teddy comes out and makes Kane vs. Alberto.
Del Rio vs. Kane
is joined in progress after a break but it doesn’t look like we
missed much. Kane pounds on Del Rio in the corner but Alberto comes
back with some kicks to the legs. Kane comes back with a low
dropkick to the head for two and an uppercut that sends Del Rio to
the apron. Del Rio rams Kane’s arm into the buckle and follows it up
with a kick to the shoulder. Kane will have none of that and hits a
sidewalk slam to set up the top rope clothesline for no cover. Kane
loads up the chokeslam but Ricardo pulls Kane’s leg. The distraction
lets Del Rio hit a Backstabber for the pin at 2:46.
match Kane snaps and chokeslams Josh, but he apologizes while he does
video from Raw.
Orton vs. Dolph Ziggler
dropkicks Randy down to start and struts a bit. Dolph shows off a
bit so Randy dropkicks him down as well in a nice touch. A slingshot
suplex gets two on Dolph but Ziggler comes back with a neckbreaker
and some elbow drops. Orton wins a slugout and fires off his
clotheslines. The powerslam sets up the elevated DDT but Ziggler
counters. Ziggler doesn’t get back inside though and Orton pulls him
to the top rope for a superplex.
only gets two and Ziggler comes back with a jumping DDT for another
near fall. The crowd is starting to get into this. Dolph charges at
Randy but gets caught in the Elevated DDT for another two. Orton was
laughing while he hit that which was kind of a nice touch. They head
to the floor with Ziggler being thrown over the announce table. Back
inside and Ziggler misses the Zig Zag, allowing the RKO to pin him at
C+. This was a fast paced main
event style match, but man alive did they have to have Ziggler lose
AGAIN? Orton is leaving for a few months to film whatever the next
WWE movie is. Ziggler is indeed Mr. MITB and probably will win the
title before the year is over, but as always in WWE, the idea seems
to be to have him lose time after time so he can surprise everyone
and win it all back at once. You know, because no heel can look
strong in WWE and they all have to be cowards that steal every win
they get.
immediately announces that Dolph is still Mr. MITB and says he did a
good job. Yes, make sure you hammer in that the guy who is going to
get a title match is such a loser.
C+. This wasn’t a great
show at all but man alive was it better than last week. It’s amazing
how much better things are when you don’t have Alberto and Sheamus
interacting. Seeing Sandow getting a match against the champ, even
when he was mostly dominated and lost, was a good sign that there are
big things in his future. This show toned down the stupid stuff and
they got a better show out of it.
Mysterio b. Cody Rhodes – Sunset Flip
b. Natalya – Small Package
b. Damien Sandow via countout
Time Players b. Justin Gabriel/Tyson Kidd – Fireman’s carry
gutbuster to Gabriel
Del Rio b. Kane – Backstabber
Orton b. Dolph Ziggler – RKO
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The SmarK Rant for TNA Impact–08.30.12

The SmarK Rant for TNA Impact – 08.30.12 I’m on a bit of a time crunch today, so I might have to zip through some stuff I would otherwise cover in more detail. Live from Orlando, FL Your hosts are Mike Tenay & Taz Austin Aries, who thankfully has his belt back after a real life theft attempt, starts us out by recapping the Aces & Eights attack from last week. He doesn’t need to be medically cleared to FIGHT. Well, most UFC fighters would disagree with that, but I’ll go with it. And he’s left-handed. Nice touch. Aries throws out the challenge to the Aces, but Hogan and Sting answer instead. Sting’s got a weird half-Joker half-Crow facepaint thing going on tonight. Hogan pledges their total support to Aries tonight. The Aces show up on the screen, and they’re not going to be dictated to. Meanwhile, ODB remains bored and horny. Bound For Glory Series: James Storm v. Rob Van Dam Storm works a headlock to start as Tenay announces that the winner of the Series gets to choose his opponent in the semi-finals. Storm holds on through a suplex attempt from RVD, and they trade spinkick attempts before Storm puts him down with a forearm for two. They slug it out and Storm stomps away in the corner, but Rob kicks him off the apron. He follows with a dive and we take a break. Back with Rob hitting the dragon whip kick or whatever he calls it. Springboard kick and Rolling Thunder get two. Storm comes back with a DDT for two and follows with the Eye of the Storm helicopter slam for two. Rob fights back with a monkey flip, but a second try is met with a superkick for the pin at 11:08. Slick finish. ***1/4 Rob was looking pretty winded at the end, but then he’s getting old for that style. Madison Rayne v. ODB Madison was assuming that this would be her Knockouts title rematch. Clearly not. ODB spits the moonshine in her face and destroys her with the F5 at 0:20. This brings Eric Young back, and he’s got fried chicken! And a suit, which has ODB thrown off. So he gets rid of it, and the happy couple is reunited again. Meanwhile, the World tag team champions of the World meet with Hogan & Sting, and they want to reiterate that they can’t be fired. Hulk notes that payback and revenge are still coming from AJ, but for the moment they’ll defend their titles when and where they’re told. Bound For Glory Series: Samoa Joe v. AJ Styles Joe throws kicks and gets nowhere, and Styles dodges him and bails. Back in, Joe powers him down, but Styles pops up with a headscissors out of nowhere, only to run into an elbow. Joe misses a charge and hurts the knee, so AJ goes to work on it and tosses Joe…but lands on a VICIOUS kick when he tries a dive. Tremendous. Back in, Joe goes to work with the kneedrop for two, and the powerslam gets two. AJ fights back and gets chopped down, and Joe counters another headscissors attempt into the STF. AJ reaches for the ropes, so Joe wraps him up in a Rings of Saturn instead. AJ uses his foot to make the ropes instead. Joe misses a senton and AJ gets the springboard forearm to make the comeback. Pele Kick and he rolls into a cross armbreaker, but Joe is in the ropes. Joe blocks a charge with the uranage, which is never not awesome, but AJ reverses the choke into a rollup for two. Another rollup gets two, but this time Joe gets the choke. AJ counters that into the armbreaker, but Joe rolls him over for the pin at 8:07. That’s why Joe used to be my favorite wrestler once upon a time. Great TV match, with crazy counters and both guys smartly going for the submission points. Joe WANTED the submission, but took the pinfall because he had the chance. ***1/2 Gut Check: Kris Lewie gets JUDGED. Taz says no because TNA is above his head, Bruce says he’s got a great backstory, but the business isn’t for him, so it’s a no, and we don’t even get to hear from Snow this time. I like that they changed it up! And I totally agree, he was all promo video and then cacked it in the ring. Joey Ryan continues protesting from ringside, and this time takes a shot at Al Snow before running away. Funny that they gave out contracts like candy, but Ryan is the only guy making TV. Meanwhile, Joseph Park asks Hulk for permission to investigate the Aces & Eights, much like he investigated his brother, Chris Park, you know, Abyss. KAYFAB! Bound For Glory Series: Kurt Angle v. Jeff Hardy Winner continues on, and the loser is eliminated from the Series. Angle takes him down with an armbar and Hardy recovers with his own before Angle pounds him in the corner. Hardy puts him on the floor with a headscissors and follows with a dive (to the narrow side, yikes!) and takes over back in the ring. And we take a break. Back with Hardy hitting the legdrop and dropkick for two. Angle escapes the Twist and fires off the german suplexes as Hardy folds like a ragdoll. Angle Slam is reversed into the Twist of Fate for two. He’s doing it more like a stunner now, which I like. Swanton gets two. Angle comes back with a belly to belly and PERFECT Angle Slam for two. Hardy is just letting Angle throw him around and it’s great. Anklelock, but Hardy rolls him up for two and hits the Twist into the swanton…for two. Seemed like that would have been the finish. Angle grabs the ankle again, but Hardy fights out and goes up again, fights off Angle’s superplex and another swanton finishes at 11:36. So Angle is done. ***1/2 This leaves us with Storm, Samoa Joe, RVD, Bully Ray, AJ Styles and Hardy still with an outside shot if he wins next week. Austin Aries comes out to face the Aces’ challenge, and Hogan brings out the backup just in case. The leader is clearly being played by D-Lo Brown, at least this week. So the Aces send out a big guy, and Aries takes him out, which leads to the giant brawl again. Aries isolates the big guy and tries to unmask him, but a new guy comes in and lays him out with a blackjack. Bad couple of weeks for Aries. The Pulse After what I thought was a mis-step last week, this was an awesome show to rebound and never felt like it dragged at all. On the other hand, the PPV is only a week away! We don’t even have a main event yet! So, you know, there’s always stuff to work on.

Waiting for the Trade – Spider-man

Waiting for the Trade
By Bill Miller
Spider-man: Election Day
by Marc Guggenheim & John Romita Jr.
Collects Amazing Spider-man 583-588 plus some Extras
Why I bought this: Primarily because Bargain Graphic Novels was selling it for $3 a few months ago. But price aside this wraps up all of the storylines that kicked off the Brand New Day era—including resolving the mystery of Menace, the mystery of the Spider-Tracer Killer and the mayoral election that was backdrop for the Menace and Jackpot stories from day 1. I’ve only read about 50-percent of Brand New Day but in general I found the continuing plot threads interesting enough to want to see the finale.
The Plot: An injured Spider-man battles Menace while Peter’s police officer roommate Vin Gonzalez faces prison and Harry Osborn deals with personal drama against the backdrop of NYC’s mayoral election. Also Spidey meets President Obama. Spoilorized chapter breakdown’s follow:

Chapter 1 – Following another spider-tracer murder, Spidey takes a bullet in the shoulder from a police helicopter. Meanwhile Carlie Cooper (not yet Pete’s girlfriend) figures out how to track spider tracers. Spidey, delirious from his gunshot wound, dreams that Harry is Menace. Harry proposes to Liz Hollister (daughter of one of the two mayoral candidates). Pete returns home to tend to his wounds, and narrowly avoids Carlie who discovers a bag of spider-tracers under Vin Gonzalez’s bed (fellow cop & Pete’s roommate).
Chapter 2 – Lily doesn’t accept Harry’s proposal and then leaves when her father calls before they can discuss it more. Vin comes home just as Pete leaves to deal with Menace despite his wounds and thus misses Carlie confronting Vin about the tracers. Carlie gets Vin to confess to being involved with the Tracer killings, which actually aren’t killings at all; rather the cops are placing the tracers on the bodies of the victims of underworld/mob crime to drum up public support for law enforcement to take a vigilante (namely Spidey) off the streets. Carlie wants to arrest Vin but the other cop at the scene is involved as well as this is a larger police conspiracy. Menace gives Spidey a severe beating enroot to defeating him, however rather than killing him, Menace delivers Spidey to the police, who arrest him. Harry decides to surprise Lily to get her to reconsider and walks in on her unmasking as Menace.
Chapter 3 – Harry is horrified by what he’s discovered causing Lily/Menace to give her origin, which like every Goblin who isn’t an Osborn involves finding one of Norman’s old journals and using that to raid some old hideouts for weapons and Goblin Formula. And also all of her attacks as Menace are to help get her father elected, although he himself has no knowledge of her criminal activities. Then after she finishes confessing, she accepts Harry’s proposal. However, she when she leaves Harry gets out his Goblin weaponry.
Chapter 4 – Matt Murdock prevents the police from unmasking Spidey and once that’s resolved he advises him to stay put and stand trial. Carlie takes her complaint to a sergeant and is still getting nowhere as we get a glimpse into what makes her tick as a cop. Meanwhile the other corrupt cops decide to frame Vin and Carlie for everything and Vin is arrested. In prison the convicts are beating Vin and plan to kill him, forcing Peter to break out his cell to save him.
Chapter 5 – Pete saves Vin and breaks them both out of prison. Harry puts on his Green Goblin mask. Carlie goes to Al Hollister for help but one his aides calls the cops because she feels as a candidate he can’t seen harboring a fugitive. Menace attacks the police to free Carlie (as Lily she and Carlie are longtime friends). Spidey fights Menace and loses again. She’s about to strike the killing blow when Harry intervenes and together he and Spidey give her a Goblin-serum antidote. She is then arrested on national television just as the election results come in giving the win to her father. Harry pulls Spidey to safety so he can pass out on a roof away from police. Vin turns himself in and clears Carlie off any wrong-doing. Hollister resigns as mayor before being sworn in, while we see the various corrupt cops rounded up and arrested. Pete and Harry talk about Norman’s legacy and Lily. Norman visits Lily in prison, welcoming her to the family.
Chapter 6 – Spidey’s wounds are treated by Night Nurse. We see Pete doing his usual guilt trip/responsibility thing for Harry and Vin’s problems in the fallout from the last chapter. Vin gets six months in jail as part of a plea bargain for testifying against the other cops in the conspiracy. Pete meets Flash at the airport and learns Flash lost his legs in combat, when Flash tells the story of how he says he was inspired to be a hero by Spider-man; Pete feels guilty about that too and takes his frustrations by beating the crap out of some cyborg as Spidey.
Chapter 7 – We see Spidey’s trial. Matt Murdock gets him off with a little help from Iron Fist and Black Cat.
Chapter 8 – Peter is sent to cover Obama’s inauguration for the Daily Bugle. Chameleon tries to switch places with Obama. Spidey thwarts him. Spidey is honored to meet the president.
Chapter 9 – Spidey and Cap foil a bank robbery by crooks dressed as Lincoln and other historical figures. Afterwards they are talking about politics and Cap confesses to once using the Cosmic Cube to listen in on the Gettysburg Address.
Critical Thoughts: Generally I liked most of this. Structurally the concurrent reveals, complications and resolutions in the Menace and Spider-tracer mysteries are very well done. Ignoring how Marvel got there (which is beyond terrible), I think the actual Brand New Day era was a big improvement in the tone of Spider-man storytelling, with much more of an emphasis on supporting characters (both new and old); and as I’ll happily argue in favor of Spidey having the best supporting cast in all of comics that’s always a good thing.
The fight scenes with Menace are well done with Spidey’s wounds upping the stakes a great deal. I will say there is a panel in the second fight that rings incredibly false in my mind, which is Spidey when thinks he is going to die before Harry arrives, the writers have him think of Gwen. Look I’ve said before I find Gwen to be the least interesting of Spidey’s five major love interests over the year, but beyond my personal preference Gwen has been dead in comic time for about 8-years so for Spidey to still be thinking about her above all others feels much more like an editorial mandate than true to the character. Especially if you consider JMS made it cannon that Pete and Gwen never slept together. But even beyond physicality he had relationships with MJ and even Felicia that were last far longer and involved far more trust and mutually shared highs and lows than he ever had with Gwen. It’s one thing for Pete to still carry around the guilt of Gwen’s death, especially in a Green Goblin story arc; it’s quite another for him to still be hung up on her after all this time.
As for the back-up tales, the Spidey and Obama meeting is funny and overall I liked it for what it was. I also really liked the Spidey and Cap story: as a Cap fan I thought that if Cap was going allow himself one selfish moment something like time-traveling to the Gettysburg Address rang true to the character.
Grade B: I’m not sure how this will hold up in a vacuum if you haven’t read the first two Brand New Day trades, especially since all of the new supporting characters featured here except Carlie are out of the series already. But within the context of its time period it’s a well delivered payoff to 30 issues of build-up. And from a classical sense it does feature lots of strong Harry moments, plus a major change to Flash’s status quo in the epilogue so even taking the newer characters out of it, it would seem to be a solid addition to Spidey lore.

Intentionally lame material to see what talent can make of it?

Can you think of someone besides Bryan whose reputation was built so heavily on his workrate and in-ring performance that ended up breaking out as a bona fide star on the strength of his character/mic work/charisma to the degree Bryan has? Punk's always been known for his mic work. Angle's goofy character was part of who he was from the beginning. Eddie's "lie cheat steal" character helped him ascend to new heights in 2004 but that was always part of who he was, too. Bret didn't really ascend to any new heights with his amazing 1997 heel character even if it was a personal breakout for him in terms of depth of character. Austin was obviously a great in-ring worker who went into the stratosphere based off an amazing character/individual charisma but we'd already seen tremendous charisma and character from him in his "Stunning" and "Superstar" iterations in WCW and ECW, albeit in much different fashion than "Stone Cold."
Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Danielson's ROH work and I'm way off base here, but either way, help me out.

I think Bryan's pretty unique in that regard.  To a degree I'd also say Mick Foley because he was known for amazingly crazy in-ring performance but didn't really break out past goofy midcarder until the WWF run, but at the same time he was still showing some impressive personality in WCW.  But the way Bryan has taken the simple "Yes" thing and turned it into an ongoing war with the fans is nothing short of spectacular.  

Submission victories

Hi Scott –

While watching Raw last night, I was compelled to see if Daniel Bryan would tap out to the STF when Cena had it locked in.  That got me thinking further about submission wins.
While I love a tap out as it clearly defines who won the match, sometimes it can be either too quick or too slow – leading to a unsatisfying finish.  Sometimes it seems like the victim taps out before the hold is even locked in, therefore eliminating some of the "will he or won't he?" aspect of the move.  And since a submission victory is rare in a main event match, usually a submission move leads to a dramatic escape.
My question to you is:  what are some of the best match endings involving a submission you can think of?  Clearly the Benoit/Michaels/HHH Wrestlemania match has to be near the top, but what else? 

Note for Blog people:  Last night was my birthday supper and movie (The Campaign!) so I didn't get a chance to watch Impact yet.  Hopefully this morning, but then we're out of town for the long weekend so it's pretty much now or never.  
As to the topic, I really liked Batista's tapout to Cena at Wrestlemania whatever, where he immediately tapped to the STF and was in so much pain that he actually kept tapping even when Cena released the hold.  That was such a great heel touch.  Shawn tapping to the anklelock against Angle at Wrestlemania 21 was also a phenomenal moment, even though it stretched too long.  But man, people in the theater were losing their SHIT wanting Shawn to tap.  Of course, Benoit-Angle at Rumble 2003 is the gold standard for that struggle finish, showing that someone can submit and still come out looking better than they came in.   

NWA-TNA Weekly PPV #8

August 7, 2002
Live from the Tennessee State Fairgrounds in Nashville, TN
Your annoucers are Don West, Ed Ferrara, and Mike Tenay
The Dupps and Apolo are shown standing outside of Steamboat’s door with Goldylocks standing around holding her microphone.

Flying Elvises vs. Spanish Announce Team (Amazing Red, Joel Maximo, Jose Maximo)

Tenay tells us that the Spanish Announce Team is here to protect the Spanish announce table, which always gets destroyed at WWE events. Then why are they at TNA, where there is no Spanish announce table present? The SAT’s go after the Elvises right as they enter the ring. Tenay messes up and refers to Red as Jose as he gets clotheslined down by Siaki. All three Elvises are beating on Joel as Estrada gets a split-legged moonsault. Triple powerbomb to Jose then he is tossed outside. Red enters and Siaki brushes off his teammates. Red with a dropkick but charges and gets backdropped outside onto his teammates. Yang & Estrada pose and Siaki tells them to knock it off and orders them to stand on the apron. Siaki rolls Joel into the ring and stomps away. Spinning neckbreaker by Siaki gets two and he brushes off his teammates again and they go to the announcers table. The SAT’s are now triple teaming Siaki as Yang says that they left the ring because Siaki says he is “TCB’ing” (Taking Care of Business) by himself. Standing shooting star press by Red gets two. Yang is awful on commentary but things get worse when Estrada starts to sing like Elvis about Siaki getting his ass kicked in the ring. SAT’s get Siaki in the SAT stretch (surfboard, inverted headlock combo) then Red comes off the ropes with a stomp. Yang and Estrada continue to be anything but impressive on commentary as the SAT’s beat on Siaki some more. Siaki finally gets the upper hand and catches Red in a pumphandle suplex as Yang returns to the apron. Joel gets two off of a suplex as Yang goes back to the announcer’s table and says that Siaki looks lke a “Big ol’ hound dog.” Dear lord. They are using Elvis quotes quite frequently on commentary and it is grating. Red with a spinkick to Siaki when he is up top as Joel & Jose get the Spanish Fly on Siaki and Red gets the Infrared (corkscrew moonsault) for two as Yang & Estrada break up the pin. Yang & Estrada clear the ring of the SAT’s and Yang follows them out with a plancha. Red gets the Code Red to Estrada for two but Yang breaks that up. Jose gets a piledriver on Yang after botching a double team move. Estrada turns the Spanish Fly into a double DDT. Red charges at Yang and gets spinkicked. Yang & Estrada with a top-rope splash/legdrop combo and they pose as Siaki rolls in the ring and gets the pin (11:43) **.  After the match, Yang & Estrada look at each other in disbelief as to what just happened.
Thoughts: The whole angle about Siaki being all about himself is fine but this match went on for way too long. It had a few decent moves and got a lot better towards the end but this dragged. Yang & Estrada are awful on the mic and having them quote Elvis didn’t help them out either. The Siaki storyline is okay but he really doesn’t carry himself as a star. He has the look and is okay in the ring but lacks the charisma and mic skills.
Tenay plugs tonight’s Triple Main Event: Jeff Jarrett vs. Apolo in a #1 contender’s match. Low Ki vs. Jerry Lynn vs. AJ Styles for the X-Division Championship and Ron “The Truth” Killings vs. Ken Shamrock for the Heavyweight Championship.
Tenay sits down with Apolo in a pre-taped interview. Apolo, in broken English, is angry about being overlooked for the title. Says respect is everything in his country and that he no longer respects Ricky Steamboat for “giving his spot” to Killings. He calls Steamboat “corrupt” and demands respect from Steamboat tonight. Apolo did not come off to good here, mostly due to the language barrier, but at least the segment made sense   
Camera cuts backstage to Goldylocks as Apolo runs into Steamboat as he exits his office after talking with AJ Styles. Apolo demands to speak with him as Steamboat tells him he will have to wait. The Dupps chase after Steamboat and Lynn jumps Styles, prompting Goldylocks to yell “Holy Shit.” After a good brawl, security breaks it up. Lots of stuff going on in a short amount of time.
Steamboat is heading to the ring as the Dupps chase after him. Steamobat, not wanting to be bothered, says they can do whatever they want. Dupps are now ecstatic.
Tale of the Tape between Shamrock and Killings.
NWA-TNA World Heayweight Championship Match
Ken Shamrock (Champion) vs. Ron “The Truth” Killings
Steamboat is on commentary. Shamrock tries a leg lock but Killings reaches the ropes. Shamrock ducks a clothesline and nearly falls down before kicking the Truth. Steamboat is on commentary telling us that promoters play favorites, blaming “them” as a reason he didn’t get a World Title shot in the WWF as Shamrock gets the figure four neck lock. Truth floats over and gets a leg lariat. Shamrock breaks a chinlock but is hit with a flying forearm that gets two. Shamrock completely botches a sunset flip attempt and takes down the Truth with a leg lock as Ferrara states the match is early in the show so that they can accommodate the 60 minute time limit. Truth with a clothesline and gets a legdrop for two. Killings with mounted punches in the corner but Shamrock counters with a powerbomb and both men are down. Shamrock with some punches then catches Truth in a powerslam that gets two. Back elbow smash by Shamrock and then a really shitty looking leg lariat. Shamrock tries a rana but they fuck up that spot as well as Killings appeared confused and held him up there before selling the move. Shamrock gets an ankle lock but Truth quickly grabs the ropes. Truth gets clotheslined to the floor as we see the New Church looking on from the ramp as well as Monty Brown. Don Harris comes down with a chair. Shamrock works on Truth but gets suplexed.  Truth rolls Shamrock back in but is met with punches. Cross armbreaker by Shamrock as a faint “Shamrock sucks” chant breaks out. Truth charges but gets backdropped to the floor. Shamrock goes out and they slug it out until Apolo runs out and is joined by the New Church, Brown, and Harris. Steamboat tries to clear people out as Apolo goes to superkick Truth but he ducked and hit Shamrock instead. That was not even close to connecting. Steamboat then roles Shamrock in the ring as Truth walks around in a daze for a few seconds until he hits the Truth or Consequences (cutter) for the win and the championship (9:17) ½*.  Truth celebrates after the match and most of the crowd is cheering. Tenay then compares Truth to other greats in the NWA’s history and says he is the first “black man” to win the title.
Thoughts: Match sucked as Shamrock kept fucking up and the two had zero chemistry. Still, the change was good and needed to happen as Shamrock was a failure as the champ. For that reason alone, the segment was successful.
Steamboat enters the ring and calls out Apolo. Says he might have made a mistake last week by not giving him a shot at the title. He then tells Apolo that running around like a maniac is unacceptable but he will get a title shot. Jeff Jarrett interrupts and is upset that Steamboat told Apolo that he earned a shot at the title. Jarrett then states that this is reverse racism because he is being looked over due to not being a minority. Steamboat says that the “bullshit” will stop tonight as Apolo will get a shot at the belt if he wins and that Jarrett will get “the truth” if he wins tonight. Steamboat isn’t finished as he says he will be the special guest referee and promises no false winner. Jarrett says that Steamboat is fair game because he is stepping into the ring. Seeing how they already announced this as the #1 contenders match earlier in the show, this whole segment made zero sense. Add in another race angle and it gets even worse.
Disco Inferno is out for “Jive Talkin.” Disco disapproves off his set that features a chalkboard. The Dupps come out to announce the “Dupp Cup Invitational.” Bo has his cup and explains how it was passed down from his family. Bo says that this will be the new Hardcore Division in TNA because “Ricky Steamship” says they could do what they wanted as long as they stayed away from him. Explain the rules on the chalkboard. Need 10 points to win. Here are the rules:
Put opponent through table: 2 ½ pts
Put opponent through burning table: 5 pts
Put opponents head in a toilet: 2 ½ pts
If it has shit in it: 3 ½ pts
If you goose a woman: 2 ½ pts
If you goose a man: 3 ½ pts
Nail Jeremy Borash: 2 ½ pts
Nail Sarah the ticket lady: 2 ½ pts
Use a farm animal: 2 ½ pts
Spank opponent with Horsey Poo: 2 ½ pts (Stan came out with a wooden horse, similar to Chavo’s Pepe in WCW)
If they like it: -2 ½ pts
Introduce opponent to Jay: 2 ½ pts
Cry like a pussy: -5 pts
Put opponents head in a cotton candy machine for one full rotation: 10 pts
Hit opponent with fan-brought weapon: 1 pt

This lasted forever and was anything but comical. Stan challenges Disco but Paulina from Tough Enough steps in between the two. Ferrara enters the ring and says he will win in order to get a night with Fluff and decks Borash, getting 2.5 points.
Dupp Cupp Invitational Match
Bo Dupp w/Stan Dupp vs. Ed Ferrara
Borash jumps on Ferrara but gets dumped over the guardrail. Don is doing the announcing by using a microphone and standing up near the ring. Stan hits Ferrara with a chair and Bo hits him as well before tossing him out. Ferrara is getting hit by stuff that the Dupps are grabbing from the crowd as Disco, still standing on his set, and West are yelling the score, despite being on opposite sides of the arena. Stan brings out a blow-up doll and throws it at Ferrara. Bo then attemtps to go after the Sara the Ticket Lady but she hits him with a broom. Stan breaks Disco’s lamp and goes after him but Paulina gets a low blow and hits him with the chalkboard repeatedly. Ferrara with a few chairshots on Bo and no one can keep track of the score. Ferrara gets “Horsey-Poo” and hits Bo, who likes getting hit, so he grabs a table but Bo chokeslams him through the table and gets the win (5:43) -***.
Thoughts: An abomination of a match. I realize that this was an alleged “comedy” segment but good lord this was brutal. Having Disco and West announce the match with microphones on opposite sides of the arena and struggling to keep score made it seem even more bush league than it already was at this point.
Tenay interviews Monty Brown in what appears to be a picnic table outside of an office park. Brown tells us his football and academic background but says he is now a wrestler. Tenay asks him about politics in the NFL and in wrestling. Brown says you control your own destiny. He talks about the Truth until Elix Skipper ambushes him and hits him with yellow paint and says Brown is a “chickenshit.” A continuation of the feud between the two. The segment was fine.  
Tenay says that Ferrara has been carted out of the arena and will not return tonight. Well, that’s good news.   
First Blood Match
Malice w/James Mitchell vs. Don Harris
The two start brawling on the ramp. Malice grabs a chair but Harris boots it into his face. Malice gets whipped into the guardrail as Mitchell joins the booth and talks about the “Blood of the Audad.” They fight near the concession stand as two seemingly planted fans spaz out over the action. Harris grinds Malice’s head on the guardrail then hits him with a chair. Malice fights back and shoves Harris into the bleachers. More token brawling as they now fight on the ramp. Harris counters a powerbomb attempt with a backdrop. He tosses Malice off of the ramp and onto the guardrail. Slash jumps Malice and takes out a shank but Harris takes it away and hits Slash on the head, causing him to bleed. Mitchell is on the ramp as Harris beats on Slash. Malice runs in and rolls him down the ramp. Malice grabs a chair as Harris kicks the blood out of Mitchell’s hand and it spills all over him. In the ring, Harris catches Malice in a sideslam as all of a sudden Harris is visibly bleeding. Malice shows it to the ref and the match is over (6:29) DUD. New Church destroy Harris as Mitchell grabs the mic and calls Harris “weak.”
Thoughts: The match sucked. The brawling was terrible and we didn’t even see how Harris bled. That was the whole point of the match, whoever bled first would lose and it ends with Harris bleeding all of a sudden. The “Blood of the Audad” stuff is corny and does the promotion no help in trying to be a viable alternative to the WWE.
Goldylocks is waiting to interview Taylor Vaughn when Siaki grabs the mic asking for Steamboat. He exits by stating “Sonny Siaki has left the interview.” Bruce walks into the female dressing room and Vaughn beats him. They will be fighting tonight in an evening gown match. Camera cuts to AJ Styles and Low Ki fighting in the locker room. Security breaks that up.  
Special Guest Referee: Ricky Steamboat
Apolo vs. Jeff Jarrett
Lockup to start as Steamboat breaks it up when they reach the ropes. Steamobat stops the men when they try closed-fist punches. Jarrett gets the advantage but Apolo gets in some chops. Inverted atomic drop is followed by a clothesline and Jarrett rolls out of the ring. Apolo, on the apron, kicks Jarrett. Apolo in the ring jaws with Steamboat as Jarrett trips him up. Apolo gets a spinebuster for two. He floats over and gets a cradle for two. Apolo lands on the apron after a backdrop and takes down Jarrett. He chops Jarrett on the ramp but gets whipped into the steel steps. Jarrett does it again and keeps on rolling in and out of the ring to break the count. Steamboat orders Jarrett back inside but he rams Apolo’s head off of the table, drawing blood. In the ring, Jarrett stomps Apolo. They trade off chops but Apolo misses a charge into the corner. Apolo tries to go up top but Jarrett kicks him down and puts him into the tree of woe. Jarrett with a flying chopblock and gets the figure four. Eventually, Apolo reverses but Jarrett gets to the ropes. Jarrett misses a charge and crotches himself on the ropes. Jarrett ducks his head in a backdrop attempt and gets hit with a jumping DDT. Both men are down and Apolo gets up fist. He hits a few corner clotheslines then follows with mounted punches. A reversal sequence ends with Apolo getting a superkick but Jarrett is able to put his foot on the ropes at two. Apolo with a German Suplex and bridge but Jarrett gets his shoulder up before the three count and gets the win (10:06) **. Apolo is furious and grabs Steamboat on the ramp. He explains why Jarrett has won as Apolo puts his hands on Steamboat then gets escorted to the back by security. Steamboat then tells Jarrett that since he won, he gets “the truth” and that he is a man of his word. However, Steamboat never said he would get a shot at the title but rather “The Truth” will be is tag-team partner against AJ Styles & Jerry Lynn next week. Crowd starts a mild “bullshit” chant. Jarrett is pissed.
Thoughts: So much for establishing a #1 contender. The match itself was passable. However, setting up a tag-title match for next week with partners who hate each other is idiotic.
Evening Gown Match
Taylor Vaughn vs. Bruce
Bruce is wearing a blond wig and red dress. Vaughn ducks a charge and gets an inverted atomic drop then a regular atomic drop. Bruce with a back scratch then gets aggressive. He catches her with a knee then a delayed vertical suplex, exposing her ass to the crowd. He pulls her up by the hair and rams her against the turnbuckle. Tilt-a-whirl front slam by Bruce, who then slowly takes off her dress for the win (2:02) DUD. After the match, Bruce grabs the mic and says that he will make everyone happy and asks for his music. Bruce then proceeds to strip, revealing a thong and garter.
Thoughts: Just as embarrassing as the “Dupp Cup” stuff. I give Vaughn credit for taking some nice bumps though. That is the only positive thing I can say about this segment
West plugs next week’s show and merchandise on TNA.com. He is in all his glory and it is like he is back to selling Ken Griffey rookie cards again on Shop at Home.
NWA-TNA X Division Championship Match
AJ Styles (Champion) vs. Low Ki vs. Jerry Lynn
Lynn and Low Ki lockup as AJ watches. They see that and double team him for a bit until they start trading punches. Lynn catches Ki in a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker for one. Low Ki with a basement dropkick to Lynn and then kicks the piss out of him until AJ breaks that up. Lynn clotheslines AJ and punches away. AJ gets a powerslam on Lynn but neglects to cover. Low Ki charges at both men but they backdrop him. Spinning Gory Special by Lynn is broken up by Low Ki. Ki with a scoop slam to AJ then drops an elbow for two. Crowd loves Low Ki and he is the most popular wrestler they have. Ki pulls up on a dropkick but AJ with a kip-up headscissors then a facebuster. AJ catches Ki with a spinkick but Lynn attacks him from behind. Spinning neckbreaker by AJ as he stomps Lynn then Low Ki. Lynn counters a rana by AJ into a facebuster but Ki breaks up the pin. Ki and Lynn slug it out and Ki wins that battle. Ki lands on the apron after a backdrop by Lynn but gets leg dropped after ducking his head. With Lynn behind Styles, Ki slingshots in with a cradle as Lynn hits AJ with a German suplex. That looked sweet. Ki is beating everyone until Lynn fights back. Ki takes him down but AJ throws him against the ropes. A counter sequence ends with Ki putting AJ in the Dragon Clutch. Lynn tries to break up but Ki breaks the hold himself and pushes Lynn and gets him in the Dragon Sleeper. Lynn escapes and gets a DDT for two. AJ catches Lynn with a moonsault kick but gets put on top and Lynn gets a DDT that Ki breaks up. Snap suplex by Ki to Lynn gets two. Ki knocks AJ down with a forearm then beats on him in the corner. Double underhook gets two but Lynn breaks up the pin with an elbow. Lynn catches AJ’s foot and flips him over but AJ manages to hit Ki with the Phenomenon. Another cool looking spot. Lynn places Ki up top and goes up for a superplex but gets shoved off. AJ goes up top for a superplex and at the same time, Lynn springboards off the middle rope and powerbombs AJ as he hits the move. That was great. La Magistral caradle by Lynn to Ki gets two. Loads of roll-ups in rapid succession follow as the crowd goes nuts. Lynn breaks a roll-up by shoving Ki off and AJ catches him and tries a Styles clash but Lynn breaks that up. AJ tries a double DDT but gets put on the top rope. Hanging Dragon by Ki until Lynn breaks it up with a dropkick. Ki gets booted after a charge but blocks a tornado DDT and gets a dragon sleeper but AJ breaks that up with a moonsault. Neckbraker by AJ to Lynn gets two. Ki tries to get AJ in the Ki Crusher then hits him with a Styles Clash instead. Lynn then gets Ki with the Ki Crusher and AJ breaks that up and gets Lynn with a cradle piledriver. Fun sequence that got over with the crowd. Lynn ducks the Tidal Wave and Ki accidentally hits the ref. Ki is backdropped to the floor by both men. Lynn and AJ collide in the ring. AJ grabs a chair and heads in the ring. He crushes Lynn and goes up top. Ki crawls in and covers Lynn as the ref counts to two AJ hits the Spiral Tap but Ki ‘s arm goes back on Lynn and he gets the win (16:17) ****1/4. Immediately, the camera cuts to the back and shows Jarrett challenging Killings for the belt. In the ring, AJ attacks Lynn and they start to fight. Jarrett is now backed onto the ramp by security. Jarrett is now in the ring and challenging Killings as the show goes off the air.
Thoughts: Match was awesome. The ending looked a little bit hokey but the action was fantastic and it featured loads of innovative spots. Ki was easily the most over wrestler in the match and having him win the belt makes sense. Throwing in the Jarrett/Killings stuff at the end seemed a bit much though.
Final Thoughts: Well, lets start with the positives. The X-Division match was fantastic and they got the belt off of Shamrock, who was a failure as the champ. Also, Shitlocks never returned back to the booth. Unfortuantely, everything else ranged from mediocre to cringe-worthy. The Miss TNA stuff and the Dupp Cup angles were embarrassing. The First Blood match was awful and the rest was entirely forgettable. They crammed way too many things in each segment (Lets guess as to who was behind that) and tried and failed miserably with their comedy stuff. Also, having Steamboat supposedly defend the “tradition” of the NWA only to look like a fool and have the show feature the terrible segments that it did shows a lack of focus in the company.

Best Bumps Ever?

Hey Scott,

Last night in the Destination X live thread we briefly talked about the craziest bumps in the history of wrestling and where the Styles Clash into a table onto the concrete fit. For me I think it's the craziest thing short of Foley in '98 but others were saying that Edge/Hardy at TLC or Edge/Foley at WM were even crazier.

What do you and the rest of the blog think? What are, in order, the top 5 sickest bumps ever?

Thanks for the decade+ of wasted time man!

Well nothing is topping Foley in the Cell, obviously.  ECW had its share of crazy stuff, like Brian Lee chokeslamming Tommy Dreamer through a bazillion tables.  Foley also used to take mundane stuff and make it insane by taking flat back bumps onto concrete, so I'd have to rank his powerbomb bump against Vader on WCW Saturday Night right up there as well.  In a way those kind of bumps are "sicker" than the cartoonish Cell bumps because they're right there in your face.  

Randy Savage vs. Bad News Brown, harlem Streefight, Youtube

I came across this when you showed the Dibiase/Duggan Tuxedo Match.  Short match, but great brawl all around.  I can't find a date, but there is a table break.  Btw, ever consider doing a short YouTube review column?  Where you review just random matches you wanted to watch that you probably won't find on any dvd sets anytime soon

Princess pretty much has the YouTube review thing covered.  And yeah, this is a notable "lost classic" that I reviewed before on a Coliseum release.  Savage was just killing it at the end of his first reign.