Smackdown Spoilage

Just wanted to talk about something from the upcoming Smackdown, so those who are spoiler nazis feel free not to follow after the break… OK, so we get yet ANOTHER Henry v. Orton match, which is now two in the same week, and Orton goes over AGAIN by DQ presumably after hitting an RKO and nearly getting the pin.  Then Big Show comes out and chokeslams Henry for good measure.  Why are they ruining the only good thing they had going?  Henry is going to quickly become just another guy, a chickenshit heel who talks big and then gets his ass kicked by the babyfaces like Christian.  Further, obviously they want to have Orton squash Rhodes at the PPV to give him heat back that he doesn’t need, so why use the World champion to build up to a midcard IC title match?  It’s not like you blame something on Henry – ratings have gone UP on Smackdown!  I just don’t get it. 

Smackdown Spoilage

Just wanted to talk about something from the upcoming Smackdown, so those who are spoiler nazis feel free not to follow after the break… OK, so we get yet ANOTHER Henry v. Orton match, which is now two in the same week, and Orton goes over AGAIN by DQ presumably after hitting an RKO and nearly getting the pin.  Then Big Show comes out and chokeslams Henry for good measure.  Why are they ruining the only good thing they had going?  Henry is going to quickly become just another guy, a chickenshit heel who talks big and then gets his ass kicked by the babyfaces like Christian.  Further, obviously they want to have Orton squash Rhodes at the PPV to give him heat back that he doesn’t need, so why use the World champion to build up to a midcard IC title match?  It’s not like you blame something on Henry – ratings have gone UP on Smackdown!  I just don’t get it. 

Great Storylines

Hey Scott, since everyone always criticizes WWE for botching major story angles such as the Invasion angle, the recent CM Punk angle, Nexus, etc.  I’m just
wondering if there has ever been an angle that you thought played out perfectly from beginning to end.  I thought Michaels-UT career vs. streak was played out perfectly, but I can’t
think of any others.
-Also speaking of Nexus, since they’re now dead and done, how would you have booked that angle to make it more meaningful instead of just turning them into jobbers 5
months later?

Rowdy Roddy Piper v. Adrian Adonis, 1987.  Everyone’s motivations were perfectly defined and it created a new star in Brutus Beefcake.  Here’s the summary for those who haven’t looked it up on Youtube: – Piper has Piper’s Pit segment for years on WWF TV, then leaves for Hollywood in 1986 to do They Live and some other stuff. – While he’s gone, Adrian Adonis starts doing The Flower Shop segment, thus annoying everyone.  It was purposely super-gay and irritating. – Piper returns in late 86 as something of a tweener, but finds that Cowboy Bob Orton is now wearing a pink hat and acting as muscle for Adonis.  Piper, on behalf of the fans, demands that Adonis give up the talk show slot, and asks Orton to stop wearing the pink hat and come back to the dark side with Piper.  Piper basically tells Orton to pick a side, and Orton turns on him, leading to a massive beatdown on the Flower Shop where Adonis, Orton and Don Muraco break Piper’s leg. – The next week, Piper comes back to the empty set, on crutches mind you, and smashes the living fuck out of the set with a BASEBALL BAT in one of the most awesome bits of acting you’ll ever see from a wrestler.  – So now they book the blowoff for WM3, the biggest thing in the history of history up until that point, and it’s hair v. hair for some reason.  Piper promises to retire win lose or draw and just wants to get his revenge before he goes.  So they do a six-man on TV, with Piper and the Rougeaus against Adonis and the Dream Team.  Adonis is all focused on cutting Piper’s hair, but at one point he grabs scissors and accidentally cuts off a lock of super-vain Brutus Beefcake’s hair.  – At WM, Adonis has Piper beat, but releases the sleeper too soon because he’s cocky, and Brutus Beefcake runs in to revive Piper, allowing him to finish with the sleeper and get his revenge.  Then Beefcake gets his own revenge by shaving Adonis bald and becoming a barber, thus becoming a bigger star.  Piper retires, Adonis gets his comeuppance and leaves soon after, Beefcake moves up the ladder and turns face.  As I’ve often said, ** for the action, ***** for the entertainment value.  As for Nexus, I would have started by putting them over the babyfaces at Summerslam by having Cena lose to Barrett, and you could have run six months of main event angles just from that change in booking alone. 

Great Storylines

Hey Scott, since everyone always criticizes WWE for botching major story angles such as the Invasion angle, the recent CM Punk angle, Nexus, etc.  I’m just
wondering if there has ever been an angle that you thought played out perfectly from beginning to end.  I thought Michaels-UT career vs. streak was played out perfectly, but I can’t
think of any others.
-Also speaking of Nexus, since they’re now dead and done, how would you have booked that angle to make it more meaningful instead of just turning them into jobbers 5
months later?

Rowdy Roddy Piper v. Adrian Adonis, 1987.  Everyone’s motivations were perfectly defined and it created a new star in Brutus Beefcake.  Here’s the summary for those who haven’t looked it up on Youtube: – Piper has Piper’s Pit segment for years on WWF TV, then leaves for Hollywood in 1986 to do They Live and some other stuff. – While he’s gone, Adrian Adonis starts doing The Flower Shop segment, thus annoying everyone.  It was purposely super-gay and irritating. – Piper returns in late 86 as something of a tweener, but finds that Cowboy Bob Orton is now wearing a pink hat and acting as muscle for Adonis.  Piper, on behalf of the fans, demands that Adonis give up the talk show slot, and asks Orton to stop wearing the pink hat and come back to the dark side with Piper.  Piper basically tells Orton to pick a side, and Orton turns on him, leading to a massive beatdown on the Flower Shop where Adonis, Orton and Don Muraco break Piper’s leg. – The next week, Piper comes back to the empty set, on crutches mind you, and smashes the living fuck out of the set with a BASEBALL BAT in one of the most awesome bits of acting you’ll ever see from a wrestler.  – So now they book the blowoff for WM3, the biggest thing in the history of history up until that point, and it’s hair v. hair for some reason.  Piper promises to retire win lose or draw and just wants to get his revenge before he goes.  So they do a six-man on TV, with Piper and the Rougeaus against Adonis and the Dream Team.  Adonis is all focused on cutting Piper’s hair, but at one point he grabs scissors and accidentally cuts off a lock of super-vain Brutus Beefcake’s hair.  – At WM, Adonis has Piper beat, but releases the sleeper too soon because he’s cocky, and Brutus Beefcake runs in to revive Piper, allowing him to finish with the sleeper and get his revenge.  Then Beefcake gets his own revenge by shaving Adonis bald and becoming a barber, thus becoming a bigger star.  Piper retires, Adonis gets his comeuppance and leaves soon after, Beefcake moves up the ladder and turns face.  As I’ve often said, ** for the action, ***** for the entertainment value.  As for Nexus, I would have started by putting them over the babyfaces at Summerslam by having Cena lose to Barrett, and you could have run six months of main event angles just from that change in booking alone. 

Auction plug

Hey Scott,
My apologies in advance if you don’t allow or consider this sort of thing for your blog, but I have an ebay auction up for my WWE/WWF replica belt and was curious if you did plugs for it. Mainly just looking to raise some money for a few things I’d like to purchase instead, and in a perfect world I’d keep it around. Life is full of tough choices, no?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190585905254

Auction plug

Hey Scott,
My apologies in advance if you don’t allow or consider this sort of thing for your blog, but I have an ebay auction up for my WWE/WWF replica belt and was curious if you did plugs for it. Mainly just looking to raise some money for a few things I’d like to purchase instead, and in a perfect world I’d keep it around. Life is full of tough choices, no?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190585905254

Crisis

Hi Scott I realise this is slightly off topic for a wrestling blog, but all the DC revamp stuff got me reading the original Crisis again and maybe you and your readers can help me with a problem I’ve always had…. It’s a little difficult to explain so forgive me if this makes no sense. I read post-Crisis stuff before I ever went back and read Crisis, and had always assumed that everyone and everything got reset and rebooted. But reading it, all the characters that were at the battle with the Anti-Monitor when the new, post-Crisis world gets created remember the original multiverse. Earth-2 Clark Kent briefly shows up at the Daily Planet, and Earth-1 Clark passes him off as his uncle, we see Earth-1 Batman burying Earth-2 Robin etc. – All on the new, sole, Earth that we are to assume is the Post-Crisis Earth.
Jay Garrick’s ‘place’ in the new universe is different, his past has changed – but his memories have not. He’s not a new, rebooted, Jay Garrick – he’s the old Jay Garrick living out a new role with an altered history that he doesn’t remember.
If this is the case for all the characters that we are told remember the changes caused by Anti-Monitor (which is pretty much everyone of note), then aren’t their post-Crisis selves just their pre-Crisis selves on a new, altered world?
Where does that leave, for example, John Byrne’s rebooted Superman? The Superman introduced in Man of Steel seems like a new character, completely separate from all the pre-Crisis versions – but while that may be the new history/origin of Superman in the merged world, the finale of Crisis indicates that the Superman that we read about after the Crisis is just the Earth-1 Superman, insulated from all the changes by the battle, with memories of the multiverse, his original origin, Earth-2 Superman and all the rest, just playing out his new role in the ‘Superman’ spot on this new Post-Crisis world. There’s never a point where the original earth-1 Superman goes away and is replaced by the John Byrne Superman. As far as the story tells us, it’s still the same Superman as it ever was. And same goes for all the other major characters too. It seems a bizarre oversight for a series the entire point of which was to reset everything, and no-one else seems to bring up this discrepancy, which is what makes me think i’ve missed something… but i don’t know what. Have I missed something crucial?
Other than, obviously, it’s just a comic book (since Infinite Crisised and Flashpointed to oblivion anyway), so don’t worry about it 🙂

The original Crisis was, unfortunately, a continuity nightmare that created way more problems than it solved.  I started seriously buying comics just as the Crisis was starting, when I was 11 years old, and I had no trouble keeping track of Earth 1 and Earth 3 and all the other stuff that they were trying to simplify for me.  And then, as you noted, the “reboot” ended up not being one.  Superman got rebooted, a year after the series, while Flash’s history was left intact.  Wonder Woman got rebooted a while after the series, but Batman wasn’t changed…except for Jason Todd, who was suddenly a thieving scumbag.  Captain Marvel got rebooted multiple times as they were trying to find something to catch on.  Even the stuff you mentioned were internal consistency problems that I noticed too when I was reading, and the DC editors basically waved it off with the equivalent of saying “It was a wizard”.  That’s why we ended up with Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, and Flashpoint, because they’ve been playing catchup with the continuity ever since.  Although as much of a mess as it made, it remains probably my second favorite comic book series ever, after Man of Steel.  There’s a really good FAQ at CBR covering a lot of the stuff surrounding it:  http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=73550

Crisis

Hi Scott I realise this is slightly off topic for a wrestling blog, but all the DC revamp stuff got me reading the original Crisis again and maybe you and your readers can help me with a problem I’ve always had…. It’s a little difficult to explain so forgive me if this makes no sense. I read post-Crisis stuff before I ever went back and read Crisis, and had always assumed that everyone and everything got reset and rebooted. But reading it, all the characters that were at the battle with the Anti-Monitor when the new, post-Crisis world gets created remember the original multiverse. Earth-2 Clark Kent briefly shows up at the Daily Planet, and Earth-1 Clark passes him off as his uncle, we see Earth-1 Batman burying Earth-2 Robin etc. – All on the new, sole, Earth that we are to assume is the Post-Crisis Earth.
Jay Garrick’s ‘place’ in the new universe is different, his past has changed – but his memories have not. He’s not a new, rebooted, Jay Garrick – he’s the old Jay Garrick living out a new role with an altered history that he doesn’t remember.
If this is the case for all the characters that we are told remember the changes caused by Anti-Monitor (which is pretty much everyone of note), then aren’t their post-Crisis selves just their pre-Crisis selves on a new, altered world?
Where does that leave, for example, John Byrne’s rebooted Superman? The Superman introduced in Man of Steel seems like a new character, completely separate from all the pre-Crisis versions – but while that may be the new history/origin of Superman in the merged world, the finale of Crisis indicates that the Superman that we read about after the Crisis is just the Earth-1 Superman, insulated from all the changes by the battle, with memories of the multiverse, his original origin, Earth-2 Superman and all the rest, just playing out his new role in the ‘Superman’ spot on this new Post-Crisis world. There’s never a point where the original earth-1 Superman goes away and is replaced by the John Byrne Superman. As far as the story tells us, it’s still the same Superman as it ever was. And same goes for all the other major characters too. It seems a bizarre oversight for a series the entire point of which was to reset everything, and no-one else seems to bring up this discrepancy, which is what makes me think i’ve missed something… but i don’t know what. Have I missed something crucial?
Other than, obviously, it’s just a comic book (since Infinite Crisised and Flashpointed to oblivion anyway), so don’t worry about it 🙂

The original Crisis was, unfortunately, a continuity nightmare that created way more problems than it solved.  I started seriously buying comics just as the Crisis was starting, when I was 11 years old, and I had no trouble keeping track of Earth 1 and Earth 3 and all the other stuff that they were trying to simplify for me.  And then, as you noted, the “reboot” ended up not being one.  Superman got rebooted, a year after the series, while Flash’s history was left intact.  Wonder Woman got rebooted a while after the series, but Batman wasn’t changed…except for Jason Todd, who was suddenly a thieving scumbag.  Captain Marvel got rebooted multiple times as they were trying to find something to catch on.  Even the stuff you mentioned were internal consistency problems that I noticed too when I was reading, and the DC editors basically waved it off with the equivalent of saying “It was a wizard”.  That’s why we ended up with Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, and Flashpoint, because they’ve been playing catchup with the continuity ever since.  Although as much of a mess as it made, it remains probably my second favorite comic book series ever, after Man of Steel.  There’s a really good FAQ at CBR covering a lot of the stuff surrounding it:  http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=73550

Time

Scott– Had some time to kill after and injury (long boring story), so I tracked down a bunch of your old RAW rants from 2002ish, and enjoyed the heck out of them (possibly because I hate Triple H, and his monopolizing of the show back then is eerily similar to his monopolizing of the show right now). However, it’s weird how much things change in time. Booker and RVD both eventually got a title push, Goldust never really got rewarded for his work ethic, Batista amounted to something… But I think the biggest one has got to be Shawn. Near the end of 2002, you wrote; "Please, Shawn, go away and never come back again. The experiment is a FAILURE, you’re not over, you’re not putting people over, you’re not drawing ratings and you’re sure not drawing money at house shows. Enough. " Pretty much immediately after that, all he did was put guys over, pop ratings (WM23 had the best buyrate in recent memory, IIRC), yada yada. 
Which brings me to my point: do you think you can predict any things that we all believe now that will turn out to be totally wrong? Only one I can think of is that most of the IWC or Smarks or whatever don’t seem to think Vince will ever pull the trigger on Daniel Bryan, but I figure a great worker who’s over and friends with Shawn Michaels is pretty much guaranteed to get a push sooner or later, even if he’s tiny and mediocre on the mic.

I’ve said many times that I was happy to be proven wrong about Shawn, although keep in mind that 2002 was a different situation with him.  When he came back originally he was working a very limited schedule, immediately got put in a top program with Hunter, and didn’t do anything to move numbers.  It took a couple of years for him to rebuild his legend status, basically starting a whole new career.  He actually took a couple of months off after dropping the World title back to HHH in late 2002, and it was the Jericho feud at WM that really gave him a fresh start and started him back up the ladder again.  Really, he’s a guy who built his career from the ground up to main eventer, TWICE.  But I still don’t think that Bryan is ever getting a shot. 

Time

Scott– Had some time to kill after and injury (long boring story), so I tracked down a bunch of your old RAW rants from 2002ish, and enjoyed the heck out of them (possibly because I hate Triple H, and his monopolizing of the show back then is eerily similar to his monopolizing of the show right now). However, it’s weird how much things change in time. Booker and RVD both eventually got a title push, Goldust never really got rewarded for his work ethic, Batista amounted to something… But I think the biggest one has got to be Shawn. Near the end of 2002, you wrote; "Please, Shawn, go away and never come back again. The experiment is a FAILURE, you’re not over, you’re not putting people over, you’re not drawing ratings and you’re sure not drawing money at house shows. Enough. " Pretty much immediately after that, all he did was put guys over, pop ratings (WM23 had the best buyrate in recent memory, IIRC), yada yada. 
Which brings me to my point: do you think you can predict any things that we all believe now that will turn out to be totally wrong? Only one I can think of is that most of the IWC or Smarks or whatever don’t seem to think Vince will ever pull the trigger on Daniel Bryan, but I figure a great worker who’s over and friends with Shawn Michaels is pretty much guaranteed to get a push sooner or later, even if he’s tiny and mediocre on the mic.

I’ve said many times that I was happy to be proven wrong about Shawn, although keep in mind that 2002 was a different situation with him.  When he came back originally he was working a very limited schedule, immediately got put in a top program with Hunter, and didn’t do anything to move numbers.  It took a couple of years for him to rebuild his legend status, basically starting a whole new career.  He actually took a couple of months off after dropping the World title back to HHH in late 2002, and it was the Jericho feud at WM that really gave him a fresh start and started him back up the ladder again.  Really, he’s a guy who built his career from the ground up to main eventer, TWICE.  But I still don’t think that Bryan is ever getting a shot.