Quantcast

The Original Women’s Revolution


Hey, Scott:

Enjoying the Mae Young recaps. They got me thinking: after decades of fits and starts, WWE finally determined the value of women's wrestling. Curious if you have an opinion on whether it was a specific match that gave the concept credibility (some iteration of Trish and Lita, maybe?) or if it was the work of Fit Finlay as a trainer or if there was some other "turning point" that got us away from "Harvey Wippleman, women's champion" for good?

I think it was a twofold combination of Trish and Lita getting over at a level believable enough for them to main event a TV show, plus Lord Steph gaining power and pushing her own agenda.  And hey, great, women wrestlers should get equal treatment as long as they're performing at the same level. 

Chemistry

I always see people talk about who had suprising chemistry such as Braun/Big show but who are some that were expected to have 4 * matches and didnt deliver? Some of my picks would be Owens/Rollins, AJ/Owens, Aries/Neville (good matches for sure but I was expecting classics) Joe/Rollins, Wyatt/Rollins and basically everyone Wyatts faced recently and Orton/Sheamus.

​The most glaring examples for me were Edge & Christian and the Hardy Boyz.  Not against each other as teams, but their individual feuds when they broke up.  You'd think that the Hardyz would have crazy chemistry together, but they never did and in fact their Wrestlemania match was kind of disaster.  E&C had some OK matches against each other, but again nothing on the level of what you'd expect two brothers…uh, cousins…uh, best friends…to have.  ​

Nice Package

Scott………watching the network over the last few years made me aware of something.  How great the wwe's video packages/ppv opening videos are, and how terrible WCW's were.

Agreed?   Do any particular video packages stand out in your mind?  I remember the Rock-Austin one set to My Way was awesome, the Daniel Bryan one that aired right before his match with HHH, and a really good one when HHH returned from his first quad injury.


My favorite will always be Mr. McMahon's Utopia from Over the Edge '98.  I was also fond of the Doors ripoff song package from Armageddon 2000 I think it was, the one that went "The end is near"?  Really gave the six-way Cell match a sense of gravity that it was otherwise lacking.

Questions

Since Luger was so amazing at the time as a heel, was there ever any thought of putting someone else in his place to take on Flair when Sting got injured? To me you could have easily put in Pillman or Muta (obviously getting why the latter didn't happen. Justs aying perfect world and all). Was Luger just a case of being the biggest star they had?

Had streaming been around much sooner, could WCW have survived or was TV a must?

​Yeah, Muta was absolutely in the running to get the spot but he didn't want to turn.  I haven't looked up those Observers in a while, but I think Steve Williams was also a contender, which might have been an OK stopgap. That being said, Luger was definitely the biggest star they had available​ so it's hard to fault them too much for the move.  
And no, streaming would not have saved them.

New Idea: Rebooking SS 97!


Hi Scott

Just wondering was there ever any thought to transitioning the belt from Bret to Taker to HBK to Austin? They did have a built in feud, what with Bret stealing the title. They could've had UT take out HBK at Bad Blood, beat Bret at SS and THEN drop it to HBK at RR with a debuting Kane, and we slide into our timeline before Biff starts betting on races.

Bret probably wouldn't even have been bothered by losing the belt in Canada.

​Bret WASN'T bothered by losing the belt in Canada.  He offered to drop the title to anyone, anywhere, but just not Shawn Michaels at that particular show. I'm sure they could have come up with all kinds of scenarios, but Vince wanted Shawn to win it at Survivor Series and that was going to be that.​

Mayweather/WWE

​Hey Scott,

I just rewatched WrestleMania 24 and did not remember the Big Show vs. Floyd Mayweather match being as good as it actually is. It was obviously pure spectacle, but it was booked perfectly for what it needed to be, and Mayweather was shockingly great. He's a natural heel so it made sense for them to switch the roles that were originally intended, but he also worked his ass off! His selling was as good as many real pro wrestlers, nothing looked awkward, his facials were awesome, he made everything that Big Show did to him actually matter, and he cheated (a lot) to win, which was the only reasonable finish if he was going to go over. Most impressive of all was that the crowd had little interest — if not outright hostility — to the angle and the match as it started, but the work from both guys and the clever pacing legitimately hooked the audience by the end. A few quick questions: Who trained Mayweather for the match? How do you think the match compares overall with other celebrity matches? Has any celebrity outsider had a better individual performance during a wrestling match than Mayweather? And was there ever any word about how his performance was perceived by everyone backstage? 

​To be honest, I barely remember much about the match, aside from the promotional aspect changing several times leading up to it because their original direction wasn't working.  It had started with Mayweather as a babyface and Vince did interviews talking about how it's such an easy storyline to run, a classic "David v. Goliath" story that they couldn't possibly screw up. And then by the time they got to the show, everyone was booing Mayweather like he was Roman Reigns and they had to run with Show as the babyface instead.  For me, it was always a weird dynamic because I really didn't care about the match or the participants.
As for the trainer, I wanna say MVP but I haven't thought about the match in many years so I'm not 100% sure.  ​

WCW Back on Saturday Night

    Thanks again for unbanning me. I have a followup question to a WCW question from last week. Lets say that AOL Time Warner had taken away Nitro and Thunder but allowed WCW to have back the 6:05 Saturday night slot. WCW then rebuilds with the younger talent
and a few stars left over, (Booker T, Jarrett, DDP.) They would have never surpassed the WWF again but could they have been able to thrive as a solid number 2 promotion? (As in more successful then TNA or ROH.)


They survived that way for many, many years in that exact timeslot, so assuming they could cut roster costs to a reasonable level again, yes, they could certainly survive indefinitely on TBS as long as the corporation was willing to bankroll them.  TV = Life, No TV = Death.  However, if the mandate was "Don't lose money" then I don't think they'd be as big as TNA, because they'd likely cut house shows entirely and just do TV and PPV.  TNA at least had a period where they were respectable.  

Nancy

Is it true that there were rumours online of the death of Benoits wife before the police found his family?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit_double-murder_and_suicide#Wikipedia_controversy

​I've heard that one before and it still sounds like a bunch of conspiracy-theory hooey to me.  ​Dumbass trolls edit Wikipedia all the time and 1 time out 1000, luck into changing the entry in a way that matches up with something that happens in real life.  I would pay exactly zero attention to it.

MYC a huge hit


https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/6ytd7x/won_mae_young_classic_a_huge_hit/

Well wow! Could we see new stars out of this then? Or just have Toni Storm lose in 2 minutes against Tamina on SDL, while Kairi is having a pregnancy angle on RAW, and Jazzy gets used as a jobber on NXT?

​I dunno, but there's a very good reason why I've been posting nothing but Mae Young reviews for the past week.  So I'm not shocked at all that it's doing huge numbers on the Network.  Perhaps it has to do with giving an audience not normally served an intriguing group of people to follow with new stars that they're interested in?  Just a theory.  Not sure how you'd ever apply that to anything else in WWE, of course.​

Raw’s Guest Host Era

 Do you think the Guest Host Era on Raw from 2009-2010 was one of the worst?  I was just going back and looking at this time period again, and my God was it horrible;  They put more emphasis on what corny skits they could write for the C list celebs than the wrestlers or storylines.  How I didn't quit watching entirely during this shit I'll never know. 

​I dunno, it might have been the worst for all I know.  The only wrestling I was watching at the time was WWE 24/7 and reviewing Prime Time and World Championship Wrestling from 1985 every week.  It was AMAZING.​

Stevie Richards in WCW


Shortly after Raven debuted in WCW, they brought in Stevie Richards for a prominent interview segment which later led o a match between the two, with Richards added to the flock. Oddly though, he seemed to disappear pretty quickly from what I remember though this did not occur to other flock members, who would remain active and at ringside until the group broke up.

What was the reason for Richards's shirt stint in WCW? Did they only bring him in to help introduce Raven? Did someone in WCW not like him?

Yeah, Raven. There was a whole political deal too, and then if I remember correctly, he failed a drug test and got bounced.  But him and Raven were not going to get along if they were both around so it was inevitable anyway. 

The guy whose name can’t be said


I’m noticing on the Network something odd when you look at the on screen
bookmarks of any particular event.  Most events have the start and end of
the match bookmarked with the participants (i.e. The Rock vs. Undertaker). 
But in the case of that Canadian guy who killed his family they never list his
name.  They have something like “Kurt Angle in singles action” for
Wrestlemania X-7.  They don’t edit out his matches or any audio of his name
being said but they won’t list his name on the match bookmarks?  Pretty
trivial I know but what is that accomplishing?
Trivial and petty is what they do oh so well.  Perhaps they don't want to be accused of advertising Benoit in any manner?

Jeff Jarrett fallout


Why the serious hell is Ed Nordholm running a pro wrestling company?  Then again, he might not have a company to run after gutting Fight Network to fund what, for now, is GFW.  I said "for now" for a specific reason, see (merger not really official)?  If Jeff Jarrett is gone from the promotion for good (wife Karen,too), there could be some far-reaching effects.
Maybe they should just hire Russo back and get it over with.  

Punching

Any idea when punching with a closed fist essentially became accepted in American wrestling?

Over here in Europe we were considerably more stringent against it even way into the 90's, but obviously in the Americas it was more prevalent

I was wondering when it just kind of became allowed seeing as technically punching with a closed fist is illegal? The 70's maybe?

​I think it was pretty much Bruno who made it an acceptable part of the WWF landscape, although clearly Jerry Lawler specialized in punching people and making it look real.  So yeah, I'd say the 70s.​