Cena/Ryback


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So much of this do you think is truthful and how much is BS and bitterness that hes clearly carrying. Idk Cena is alot of things but i can’t see him as this "I hold everybody back" douchebag.

​Yeah, the guy who secretly drives truckloads of toys to children’s hospitals and personally distributes them because he doesn’t want publicity for it is clearly a douchebag. What a poison he is.

I feel like Ryback should perhaps accomplish something in the sport first before he gets on his soapbox about this stuff.​

  • zahidf

    I’m not a massive fan of Ryback at the best of times, and this sort of thing makes me realise why. I believe Cena’s best response should be ‘Who’?

  • Roman Reigns Winky Face

    I became a big fan of Ryback, but this is getting pretty ridiculous.

  • thatguyJMM

    “John’s blocked my twitter”

    New Network show idea: 25-year old Harley Race and 25-year old Terry Funk are transported into the present day and have to learn to deal with guys and their twitter drama. And the modern guys learn how to settle disputes the 1970s way!

    • juvydriver

      Blocking his twitter account is the right move. That’s what you do to trolls. You definitely don’t feed them more.

    • Stan Ford

      I feel like you could probably teach Terry Funk to be hilarious on Twitter, but you’d have a harder time teaching Seth Rollins to get blind drunk on rotgut whiskey and charge into a locker room with a loaded .357 screaming “I’M GONNA KILL THAT COCKSUCKER.”

  • TwentyTimes

    What’s the deal with Cena and Riley?

    • Wade

      Riley fucked up the Cena elimination in the 2011 Royal Rumble that was supposed to set up the Cena-Miz WM program by falling out of the ring like a moron.

      • AnInternetToughGuy

        Star!

      • TwentyTimes

        Cheers.

        To the youtubes!

        • Wade

          Cena and the ref sit in the corner for a good ten minutes trying to figure out how to salvage the situation.

          Once you notice it, it’s hilarious.

          • TwentyTimes

            I’ve just watched it. Looks like Riley was late, but otherwise it worked out fine? What am I missing?

          • Wade

            Riley was supposed to be in the ring the whole time. Miz was supposed to distract Cena and Riley dump him.

            Instead he came back like ten minutes after being eliminated and dive bombed the ring.

          • TwentyTimes

            So Riley got eliminated by mistake? Sorry for being stupid here.

          • Wade

            Yeah, he fucked up a near elimination and actually fell out.

          • ILikeNeville

            Like when John Cena fucks up the ending to the 2005(?) Rumble with he and Batista?

            Seems a pretty glassy house he’s got to be throwing stones like that.

          • brak_attack

            I would say Batista fucked that up, not Cena. Cena was supposed to be eliminated (and did), Batista was supposed to climb back in but fell out. Not sure how that falls on Cena.

          • ILikeNeville

            Cena went over with too much force, knocking Batista to the floor. What kind of an ending to the Rumble is “Batista climbs back in”?

          • brak_attack

            Look at the video (although I’m sure you’ve seen it before):

            It’s clearly Batista that loses his footing and fails to grab the rope. There are only so many ways for Cena to get eliminated in that situation, I’m not sure how could you really put the blame on him. I’m guessing Batista was either supposed to pivot and drop Cena out (which would be Batista’s fault, he lost his balance), or they were supposed to both roll out of the ring and Batista was supposed to grab the rope (which again, isn’t really Cena’s fault, since Batista’s left arm was completely free of getting tangled).

          • ILikeNeville

            You got me there!

          • KevinLockard

            I still don’t believe that was an accident, makes too much sense to be a coincidence and it looked way too intentional on their part.

          • ILikeNeville

            Right – how would Batista climb back in? Would he skin the cat? Would his win be with him on the apron waving lamely before climbing back in? Does any of this sound like WWE style?

          • Big D Wangston

            In the Royal Rumble doc that they have the first look of on the Network Batista says that Cena came up into the powerbomb position with too much force and that knocked him backwards over the ropes, they were going to tease him powerbombing Cena over each side of the ring and then eliminate him (though now that I think about it Im not clear on how he was finally going to put Cena out)

          • Buster Abbott

            It’s hilarious that (to our knowledge) the only guys who eliminated themselves by accident in the Rumble are Batista, Cena, Austin in 1996 and….Alex Riley.

          • I don’t remember hearing about the Austin in 96 one?

          • ILikeNeville

            Now there’s your Mt Rushmore!

          • Ioan Morris

            Makes me wonder if that has anything to do with Cena’s non-performance in the WM27 main event.

          • Wade

            Right after the pipe bomb, Cena gave a promo where he said he was sick of trying to make “Average” look “Awesome.”

            Only potshot like that I can remember him ever making.

          • Ioan Morris

            Interesting. Have you seen that match lately? I can’t think of anything else like it in recent WWE history. Cena with old “give him enough rope…” to Miz.

          • Wade

            I haven’t.

            I remember 2010-11 being just the shittiest year in WWE history and that being the culmination of it.

          • Ioan Morris

            It’s a fascinating watch from a behind-the-scenes POV. Which is then compounded by the Miz’s concussion after the restart. Bizarre all round.

          • Wade

            It’s a case where Miz just wasn’t ready for that spot, but he was the only remotely hot guy on the show.

  • MyronB

    Ryback comes across as a guy who is sore that he never became a top guy even though he was given more chances than most of the guys on the roster ever received.

  • The G*d D*mn John Petrie

    I’ve no doubt that Cena’s been a dick to some people, and maybe even personally hurt a few careers, but ultimately it’s WWE and it all falls on Vince McMahon’s shoulders. Any “poison” Cena’s been to the business (and I think he has been in some ways) is, again, all on Vince’s shoulders.

  • Wade

    I’m a big fan of The Ryback and think that in any other era of WWE he’d be remembered as one of the great random big man athletes ever, but he needs to do more before he starts freaking out like this or he’s just Shane Douglas with a less worthy target.

    • JB

      I see what you did there. Bravo sir.

    • The G*d D*mn John Petrie

      I honestly look at Ryback and see any of a dozen similar guys that came & went in the 90’s whose names I can’t even remember. Just a big, ugly dude. Moderately okay promo, but nothing special in the ring. He had all kinds of chances to carve out a niche in the business and failed.

      • Wade

        If a guy that jacked was able to do topes and top rope missile dropkicks in 1995, he’d be remembered in the most glowing terms possible.

        • The G*d D*mn John Petrie

          Maybe, but then again most main event guys in the business at that time didn’t wrestle that way. Like if Max Muscle got put in a main event on Nitro and he busted out a moonsault I’m sure it’d have been memorable, but I doubt anyone would be rushing to crown him WCW Champion.

  • juvydriver

    I was a supporter of Ryback when he left and hoped he would do well for himself, but this stuff is pretty bad form on his part. It sort of smacks of sour grapes in a lot of ways. Maybe he should just do something instead of trying to keep his name out there by taking shots at everyone else.

    • MyronB

      For one maybe he should stop hijacking independent promotions for lots of money just to do squashes.

  • Wade

    Also, The Ryback was giving interviews where he was OPENLY gunning for/angry he didn’t have Cena’s spot way back around WM29.

    • The G*d D*mn John Petrie

      Hard to be sympathetic for a guy whose beef seems to be that some other guy held him back from being the top guy in the business.

      • Wade

        Especially when he was still just a generic muscleheadat that point, instead of the “Flying Ryback” he turned into in his second face run.

        • The G*d D*mn John Petrie

          Exactly. He basically had a cup of coffee in the business, then took his ball and went home. Given the dinosaurs still on the WWE roster there’s no reason he couldn’t still be working there. Oh, you’re not the top guy, Ryback? How is that different than literally every other guy on the roster who isn’t John Cena or Roman Reigns?

          • Not that I’m necessarily defending Ryback here, but the difference is that Ryback could have been the top guy. He had a great look and he was scary over in his first run. Politics and bad booking screwed him up. This is not like a Primo or a Viktor of the Ascension complaining about their position. Ryback has a legit gripe. He should have been a HUGE star for them.

          • rxchrisg

            Come on. Ryback?

          • He was over like rover. People were going crazy for him.

          • The people who weren’t mockingly chanting “Goldberg” at him that is.

  • TheDJR

    Cena can still be a nice guy outside of wrestling but be a political dick otherwise. Not that I’m taking Ryback’s side, he’s a fuckwit, I haven’t even read/heard what he said.

    • Joeyjojo

      Yup. Some people are nice as fuck in real lift but act like selfish,
      politicking assholes at work. I swear we’ve heard something similar about Cena
      before too but can’t remember who from? Still though, if what Ryback says is
      true (and I doubt it) then really he should be angry at Vince for allowing this
      stuff.

      Also, Alex Riley was never money. Ever.

      • brak_attack

        I’m fairly sure that every negative thing about Cena has revolved around the Riley thing. Even Ken Doane seems to have softened on Cena.

        Most telling to me was an Edge/Jericho interview where they took veiled shots at Triple H (so clearly they’re not afraid to ruffle feathers) and the worse thing they said about Cena was that he was wrong about taking the DDT to the floor and then win the Survivor Series match moments later.

        • justicegris

          Not only that but they follow up by saying Cena came to them afterwards and told them “You were right,
          I should’ve listened!” Made him sound like an awesome dude.

          • spicollidriver

            Cena pretty much seems to be the good guy in real life that someone like Hogan only portrayed on screen.

  • Ioan Morris

    For a guy who’s into “wishing makes it so” self-help books, he sure runs his mouth a lot.

  • I feel like I could be the vice president of my company. But the stupid cow who’s already the vice president of my company won’t step aside and let me have a turn!

    And after I complained about that and made it known that I could do her job, she’s made life difficult for me! The bitch!

  • Liam Happe

    It’s worth remembering that it is very easy to be great to charities, kids and communities and an utter scumbag to your peers. I know of a few of these types from over the years. In fact, not only is it easy I’d dare suggest it’s very popular among some.

    • Clark O’Brien

      Assuaging a guilty conscience..

      • Liam Happe

        Either that or he recognises where good deeds ‘score points’ in life and where there really isn’t anything to gain from being remotely decent. You see a lot of it on social media from those who chastise certain brands of prejudice and then get involved in others.

    • Varoom

      Bingo!

    • Stan Ford

      This. I’m not making any moral or value judgments on Cena the guy because I don’t know Cena the guy.

      But saying he can’t be a politicker who manipulates his peers’ careers for personal gain because he does nice things for sick kids is like saying he can’t be a politicker who manipulates his peers’ careers for personal gain because he prefers DLR Van Halen to Hagar Van Halen. That’s nice and all, but one has nothing to do with the other.

    • Daniel Swinney

      Even mobsters will give kids toys that “fell off a truck.”

  • The G*d D*mn John Petrie

    Seriously, how long was Ryback in WWE? How many years on the main roster? I feel like Vince has been trying to push Roman Reigns longer than Ryback was even around.

    • He was part of Nexus in 2010. Got injured and was out for like a year and re-debuted as Ryback in 2012.

    • Nellykins

      He actually competed in Tough Enough under his (original) real name of Ryan Reeves in 2004 and was in developmental until he debuted on NXT as Skip Sheffield. Ryback was under contract with the WWE for 12 years. Let that sink in.12 years. And in all that time they were refusing to take a look at Samoa Joe and AJ Styles because they were either too fat or too southern

  • tannerfamilyfun92

    There is no possible era or alternate dimension where Alex Riley is “money”

    He’s a generic create-a-wrestler who was lucky to have his spot as Miz’s second

    • He did have a personality, which is more than most wrestlers have and he was very briefly over during the time he turned on the Miz, but he wasn’t a good worker and he seemed like a guy that would have been forever mired as a low midcarder had his career lasted longer.

      • Clark O’Brien

        He could have been something with some creative effort, but he had the Matt Hardy issue if there always being somebody that was already something to use instead.

      • Daniel Swinney

        When he turned face he had zero personality. And his NXT varsity persona was crap. So his personality really only worked as a cartoon lackey.

  • Clark O’Brien

    “the guy who secretly drives truckloads of toys to children’s hospitals and personally distributes them because he doesn’t want publicity”
    And yet the general public know about it. I’m not saying Cena isn’t genuine in the good he does, but you would be pretty naive to think a celebrity turning up somewhere isn’t going to get mentioned to the general public in the social media age. He could easily send them 100% anonymously if he wished.

    • brak_attack

      And who is to say he doesn’t do that? It’s a flawed argument. You’re saying the things he attempts to do anonymously but it still gets leaked is somehow a lesser gesture than something people would never know he’s doing. But by definition, we have no way of knowing that he isn’t doing that.

      • AnInternetToughGuy

        “Unknown-unknowns, things you don’t know you don’t know!”

    • wnyxmcneal

      He does a lot of charity work people never know about.

      It was WWE who insisted they get the word out on some of what he does, over his objections.

      • Daniel Swinney

        How do we know that someone does a lot of stuff we don’t know about?

        • wnyxmcneal

          People have anecdotes, stories about things Cena did that they saw that were never meant to be made public. There.

          • KevinLockard

            That’s just those people’s word, though.

          • wnyxmcneal

            Well if you want to play that game than let’s never believe anybody about anything.

          • brak_attack

            Seriously. Any comment made by anybody badmouthing Cena is immediately moot if we can’t take people at their word.

        • brak_attack

          This is a ridiculous standard, though. If he does something and we know about it, he gets judged because he’s not doing it anonymously. If he’s doing something and we don’t know about, then how do we know he’s actually doing it?

          • Daniel Swinney

            I think he’s a good guy for doing it either way.

      • Comdukakis

        and you know this how?

        • wnyxmcneal

          It’s been reported endlessly by Meltzer.

    • BODConscience

      There’s 2 types of celebs that I think about when this conversation gets brought up.
      Paul Walker was in a jewelry store and he was behind a marine and the marine said he wanted one thing but it cost way too much money for him to afford. Paul said I’ll buy it under the condition that my name never gets out about it. So he bought it and then he died. Afterwards the Marine decided to tell everyone about that selfless act.

      Then you got the football players that buy poor kids christmas presents and then pose for pictures by themselves holding the receipts.

      Both are kind acts but one does it the ‘right’ way. I still haven’t made up my mind on where Cena lies. I just know whether it’s shoved down our throats or not by wwe that guy goes above and beyond what any normal athlete should do to help people and that should be commended even though he is a dick for someone wanting to use an ice pack.

  • Oprah Brokeamnesia

    Sounds so bitter and negative. I thought he was all about ‘The Secret’ book and thinking positively.

    And Riley was nothing… just another milquetoast guy who had a few weeks of heat because of Miz.

    His HHH-light look at the end did no favors. ‘PUSH RAGE’

    • Theberzerker #HUSStag

      I always looked at RAGING ALEX RILEY as an angle they knew would flop hard, against Owens no less, that would basically accelerate getting him out of there. And it did.

      • Oprah Brokeamnesia

        I could watch Owens stomp him when he was down on a loop.

        http://makeagif.com/FSJg_f

      • brak_attack

        With Alex Riley I’ll never forget the end of NXT Season Two when the rest of the rookies begin beating up Kaval. Riley runs in and starts attacking the other rookies before being told that he, too, is supposed to beating up on Kaval.

    • MemphisHeat

      He was until he discovered what “The Secret” actually was. And the secret is that Rhonda Byrne took his money.

  • JR

    Riley is a bad example. Besides, I don’t understand most of the Cena hate. He took advantage of his opportunities like any other top talent who’s competitive and passionate about the business. If anything, blame Vince for wanting to build him as another Hogan/Sammartino who annihilated everybody for years, instead of creating a consistent and dynamic cast of top-level stars who can go toe-to-toe with him.

    • Night

      I don’t hate Cena for his spot. I hate him for being a boring asshole character that soured me (and many others) on WWE wrestling. He claims to have been a fan of pro wrestling and its history but his character never treated what he did as something to be taken seriously so why should the fans? Plus he was involved in some godawful angles and never used his influence (you could say he was the most powerful wrestler ever in the history of the business based on longevity) to make things better. He just went along with what Vince told him to do.

  • Daniel Swinney

    If Cena prevented Alex Riley from being a main eventer, then I’m grateful.

  • Theberzerker #HUSStag

    Ryback’s a meathead and I never cared for him, but I’m sure there’s at least a grain of truth to this. Cena’s so far up at the top of the mountain and has been for so long, I’m sure he has no idea how big his shit gets as it rolls downhill.

    • Daniel Swinney

      I’d go so far as to call him a corn-fed meathead.

  • Daniel Swinney

    I will say though, Cena doesn’t “secretly” do any of that shit, any more than Ted Danson “anonymously” donated that building on Curb. Not that secrecy is important.

    • Stephen

      He publicizes the Make a Wish stuff, but that’s apparently the tip of the iceberg with him.

      • Daniel Swinney

        But see there’s still the fact that we hear about *that*. Whoever the most secretly generous person in the world is, we have no idea about it because they don’t even let it get murmured about. But again, I don’t really consider the secrecy that important. The deeds are the deeds.

  • justicegris

    “Ryback doesn’t like John Cena. John Cena doesn’t care about Ryback.”

    • brak_attack

      This makes me think of the only good thing about the Street Fighter movie. M. Bison telling Chun Li that her country’s revolt was a monumental, deeply important moment for her, her family, and her people. But for him, it was a Tuesday.

  • I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive, Scott. Cena being an amazingly charitable and humble human being doesn’t mean he can’t also be a politician in his professional life. I’m not saying I believe or don’t believe what Ryback is saying, but to dismiss a guy’s potential faults because “look what he does for the children!” is a narrow way of looking at things. Hogan did a TON of Make a Wish stuff that wasn’t really publicized, and we all know what a scumbag he was when it came to doing business.

    • Even Edge and Jericho told of him Cena quite political in the Nexus situation. Cena may be a good human being but he still holds people down from time to time whether people want to admit it or not. I see no reason for Edge or Jericho to lie about the Nexus situation. I think Cena may just be like Austin where he puts his foot down less. Both seemed to mostly hold down midcard talent. No one is saying Cena is Hulk Hogan or even Ric Flair for that matter, but he’s still human.

      • brak_attack

        I would say Edge and Jericho made Cena sound more like he didn’t understand how to structure a match opposed to being political. In their story, they said Cena went to them and admitted he was wrong about eating the DDT and then getting the pin seconds later. He wouldn’t have done that if it was politically inspired.

        • I don’t know why this is everyone’s go-to story when it comes to Cena and politics. Who’s to say he isn’t a politician (he probably is to a degree), but that SummerSlam match finish is not a good example. Personally, I don’t even think it was a bad finish.

          • brak_attack

            Agreed. In every telling of that story, Team WWE was supposed to win. Cena never demanded they win. As fans, we may have preferred that, but I also don’t understand this mentality where wrestlers should actively look for situations where their character is put in a losing situation for somebody else’s benefit.

          • It’s about making more superstars. There’s too many examples of the wrong guy going over in a critical match and stopping someone’s momentum (and historically they don’t get it back).

            With that said, there were no stakes in the SSlam Nexus match. Concrete DDT or not, I don’t believe Nexus died with this loss. They won the match with actual stakes later on forcing Cena to join the Nexus and that got them all the heat they needed.

          • brak_attack

            I get that part, but it’s WWE’s responsibility to make new stars, not Cena’s or anybody else’s. I totally agree that Cena shouldn’t stand in the way of another Superstar making it huge, but I don’t understand why people think Cena (or anybody) should actively be like, “no no, let’s have this person win so that he gets all the attention.” As fans we want that, but as a wrestler that’s potentially taking money out of Cena’s pocket. It’s this standard that nobody in any other profession is held to.

          • Totally agreed. In what profession do you groom someone to take your position and your earnings?

        • spicollidriver

          Cena (at least backstage) admitting that it probably was the wrong decision for the match to play out that way sounds like the thing that Hogan and others would *never* have done when they were (still) on top.

          • brak_attack

            I disagree. To this day Hogan still defends the non-fastcount victory over Sting. There does not seem to be any indication that he’s said anything otherwise backstage, either.

          • spicollidriver

            wouldn’t that mean you agree?

            (if you disagree, your example should have been Hogan making a decision and admitting it was the wrong decision, not justifying it and claiming it was the right one)

          • PhilStubington

            Its not even backstage – Edge tells the story on one of the WWE DVDs and you know that didn’t see the light of day with them running it past Cena first.

      • Cena didn’t ‘hold down’ the Nexus. He structured a bad finish to the SummerSlam match; he didn’t change the result because he didn’t feel like losing that night. They were always going to lose. Or did we want David Otunga & Darren Young going over Bret Hart and John Cena in the main event?

        • Phrederic

          What possible reason is there for Bret Hart to win a match post 2000?

  • The_Bo

    CM Punk tore apart everything about WWE on Art of Wrestling, but only had good things to say about John Cena. Methinks Ryback and Alex Riley are sour grapes over just not being that good.

  • The_Bo

    Cena has done clean jobs for CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, AJ Styles and Kevin Owens; has publicly endorsed Cesaro; and made Neville & Sami Zayn look like they belong in his US title matches with them. If he’s using his pull to prevent hacks like Ryback & Alex Riley from getting pushed; all the power to him.

    • brak_attack

      Another good point. Somebody like Punk or Bryan were far more threatening to his “spot” than Ryback. If he put them over, don’t see why he’d go out of his way to hold down Ryback.

      • The_Bo

        The only reason I can see Cena holding Ryback down is if Punk was correct about Ryback being reckless, and Cena was trying to avoid injury. Also, the Cena/Bryan Summerslam main event was soon after the Cena/Ryback program…if Cena played politics to get Bryan elevated in place of Ryback, then that means he listens to the fans.

  • justicegris

    There used to be a dude here who would write giant essays in comments about Cena being a douchebag, Riley being one of the reasons he’d always mention. Surprised he hasn’t shown up yet.

    Beginning to think the reason Ryback never made it anywhere is that they realized he was a whiner/emotionally unstable and decided he wasn’t worth the headache.

    • brocore

      Jesse Baker? Yeah, he also used to write rape fantasies involving Stephanie McMahon. No one took much of what he said seriously.

      • justicegris

        Different dude actually. Wrote as much as Baker, slightly less unhinged. ;). I sincerely thought he was Ken Doane under an alias.

      • rxchrisg

        Except perhaps the local authorities.

  • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

    Ryback exceeded the level of his talents regardless.

    Even CM Punk has good things to say about Cena and that dude bitches about everything

    • brak_attack

      That’s the thing. Considering the fact that he’s been on top for over a decade and yet still there are only a couple of negative stories about him going down is very telling. And there are people who have no problem badmouthing Vince, Stephanie, or Triple H, so I can’t imagine they’re playing nice for political reasons.

      • ebEliminator

        The only people who badmouth Cena are people who have less than no juice with WWE. (see: Dykstra, Kenny)

  • Chris Hirsch

    Ryback is the WORST, he got a bigger push than far more talented guys have been able to get, SHUT UP ALREADY.

  • Scott

    It DOES matter – some guys hate Cena more than others!

  • James M. Fabiano

    Anyone who sides with WrestlePro, which contains some of the most toxic people on the indy circuit, gets no sympathy from me.

  • KevinLockard

    Ryback sounds bitter at WWE and I feel that taking shots at their trademark star’s credibility/integrity is just an extension of that. Take anything this meathead says with several pillars of salt.

    While Cena’s charitable work certainly doesn’t prohibit him in any way from hurting other guy’s careers, I have trouble buying this image of Cena as an evil, machiavellian-like politician who’s been holding people down for ten years. If he’s a politician, then he’s either the most generous politician that wrestling has ever seen or the most inept, because there have been several instances over the years where a person in Cena’s position, if they wanted, would have had the power to veto something they were being asked to do – and in some cases, justifiably so – and he didn’t.

    How many other top faces would have agreed to let themselves get destroyed in as one-sided of a manner as Cena did against Brock Lesnar did at Summerslam 2014? How many would have been fine with lesser stars headlining an event like Wrestlemania over them, something that Cena has done no less than five times throughout his run? He fought rookies in his last two Wrestlemania matches for goodness sake. He dropped down the card and held (and competed over) the United States Championship for nearly a year. He lost cleanly to Kevin Owens in Owens’ first match on the main roster. He just recently took a couple of clean losses to AJ Styles despite AJ having been on the roster for barely half a year. He lost to The Miz at Wrestlemania. He took what is still to this day the quickest loss in an elimination chamber match in history, being pinned cleanly in less than three minutes at No Way Out 2009 (and his character was completely fresh and injury-free when he entered the chamber, so there were no built-in excuses.) Cena was the bigger star than Batista back then, and yet he went along with Big Dave getting the clean win over him at Summerslam 2008 when they squared off for the first time. There are other examples, but you get the idea.

    It’s entirely possible Cena has played the game to his advantage and someone else’s disadvantage efore – it’s almost impossible not to at some point – but on the surface, he surely doesn’t seem that bad or selfish of a guy, certainly not the way people make him out to be. And the vast majority of wrestlers have had almost nothing bad to say about him.

    • brak_attack

      That’s another thing people forget. He was jobbing like mad in 2008. He was losing clean to Batista and Triple H, took the pin against Orton and Triple H, and I believe he even lost to JBL at a PPV.

      • KevinLockard

        Yep. The JBL loss was at Great American Bash 2008. That was also the feud where the infamous “JBL Is Poopy” happened that people just can’t erase from their minds.

  • TPrincess

    Pena wants to invest his time and his political capital in people that he can draw money with. That’s why he pushed to work with Punk and Bryan and Owens and Styles. He saw the potential to make good money with them. He didn’t see that with Ryback (or maybe he did but the guy is too reckless to trust) or Alex Riley…and yeah I guess he fucked Mickie James while she was dating Ken Doane. I’m guessing Mickie didn’t exactly jump in the sack against her will.

    Shit happens in life. Ryback and Riley probably need to get the fuck over it.

    • Comdukakis

      he was also married at the time.

      • TPrincess

        And now he’s divorced and I’m guessing it didn’t come cheap.

        • Comdukakis

          good for her. She should have got more.

      • spicollidriver

        that was the truely awful part about it, not him having sex with James while she was with some other guy.

        (because unless that latter person is a close friend, who cares?)

      • meka3000

        Do you know for sure that that happened while Cena & Liz were married? Or are we just making assumptions again?

    • James M. Fabiano

      Doesn’t Ryback work with Alex Riley now? Oh that’s Alex REYNOLDS, sorry.

    • rxchrisg

      I’ve met Mickey James in real life,I can’t fault Cena for going for it. As far as “burying” Ryback,get fucking real. Alex Riley? Come on.

    • Phrederic

      “I’m guessing Mickie didn’t exactly jump in the sack against her will.”

      When a person who has the power to fire somebody asks to sleep with you, when you are hired with the implicit expectation that you will sleep with talent…I’m not so sure we can exactly call it free will.

      This isn’t calling Cena a rapist, but when power dynamics are that fucked, it’s hard to call it 100% consensual either.

      • wnyxmcneal

        What if you’re the president?

        • Phrederic

          Then sexual entanglements are bound to be fucked up, especially when it’s with somebody you are directly in charge of the career of.

          It’s nor rape, or even sexual assault, but I’d call it ambiguously consensual.

      • Telthorst

        You are making a FUCKTON of assumptions about a situation and working environment that all of us here think we know about 90% about but actually know closer to 5% about. You know literally nothing about how Mickie and Cena ended up screwing (or even definitely that they did) and making insinuations that Mickie didn’t do it out of her own free will is really fucked up. We should all probably just stick with rebooking thirty year old PPVs rather than commenting on things we know nothing about.

        • Phrederic

          A fuck-ton of assumptions?

          Okay.

          Cena is more important than basically every other wrestler on the card with maybe the exception of Triple H. He has more power, more influence, more money. He has influence over who gets pushed and who doesn’t get pushed. Even if he doesn’t ever use that influence, that influence does exist.

          It has been said by numerous wrestlers that basically the reason female wrestlers were hired for a long time was to provide ‘the boys’ with rats that they can travel with. Basically every women that got hired from the 90s to the mid-aughts was there because somebody was fucking her. There’s been a number of shoots that have said these things.

          Plus the company is run by a guy that’s admitted to numerous affairs with people he has power of. So…I doubt HR is gonna take you very far.

          Let’s just…change the names around. Steve is a high-ranking executive in a company. He engages in a sexual relationship with a stenographer. Other executives have engaged in sexual relationships with stenographers and they are hired for their physical attractiveness. Mark is the CEO/owner of the company who has also engaged in sexual relationships with his employees.

          That’s a little creepy, right? It’s not rape, but it sure as hell isn’t 100% consensual either.

          Or even if you think that executive/stenographer is too far a jump. Let’s look at how many young starlets end up in relationships with big-name actors, or producers, or writers, or directors? The casting couch doesn’t end just because you got your job.

          I’m hardly the first person to ever bring up the consent concerns power dynamics have on relationships.

      • MaffewOfBotchamania

        what the fuck is this

        • Phrederic

          I find it hard to believe this is the first time you’ve heard of the complications power dynamics have on sexual relationships.

          Or do you think the only reason teacher/student relationships are frowned up is because “they’re gross”?

  • Comdukakis

    fuck cena. “secretly” my ass. The guy is a genius at PR and knows how to play the game all while being a cheating scumbag and douchenozzle backstage.

    • nebb28- Aaron Judge Hype Train

      “The guy is a genius at PR and knows how to play the game”

      how is that different from ANYONE who has made it to the top in WWE in the past few decades

      • Comdukakis

        it isn’t. Which is why this idea of Saint Cena while we rehash how awful Hogan, Flair, Bret, Nash, HBK, Austin, and number of others were backstage is ridiculous. He’s been on top and he does stuff to make sure he stays on top, which includes being a dick to certain folks or making sure someone doesn’t get a push. That is how wrestling works. But somehow Cena gets a fucking pass.

        • justicegris

          Are you insinuating that if Cena didn’t “hold down” Riley or Ryback he wouldn’t be on top?

          • Comdukakis

            Are you making a joke? I’m saying all top guys use their pull to keep their spot, look good doing it, and on occasion for petty personal reasons. And sometimes they simply stick their nose into things because they have pull and believe they know what is best for the whole company

          • Stan Ford

            Wasn’t there also a story that he torpedoed Justin Gabriel because he came out of the shower in a towel while Nikki was around or something?

            I seem to remember a story involving Nikki and Gabriel.

          • Phrederic

            That happened with…Raven and Austin right?

          • Stan Ford

            I dunno. I don’t remember anything about that.

            I just remember whisperings about Gabriel, Cena and Nikki.

          • Phrederic

            Raven walked around backstage either naked or just in a towel and Austin freaked out cause Raven’s got a big dick or something and Debra might see it.

            Just your reminder that Austin is a crazy, paranoid domestic abuser.

          • Stan Ford

            Ah. Now that you mention it, I think I do remember reading about that. I knew Austin and Raven had an issue between them, but couldn’t remember why.

            Yeah. Austin’s a guy who I love his in ring work and admire his head for the business, but is not a guy I have any love for outside of it.

          • justicegris

            No, legit I wasn’t sure whether that was the point you were making. Thank you for clarifying though! I understand now.

  • Comdukakis

    It’s important to note as many have below that just because you do charity (for PR reasons or just because) it doesn’t preclude you from being awful at work. Hogan did a ton for make a wish back before he or Vince knew how to capitalize on the good PR. And no one pretends Hogan was a saint backstage.

    You don’t stay on top for 10 years and NOT be a political animal. I think posters are very naive if you don’t think Vince is consulting Cena on his matches, angles, push, etc. That’s not to say he’s worse than Hogan, Flair, HBK, whatever. But it’s just silliness to pretend Cena is above political nonsense and that he’s never used his backstage pull to hold someone down, get someone a push (cough Nikki cough), or otherwise further his own ends.

    • brak_attack

      You’re completely right but it’s just strange that these stories seem relatively, particularly from people near the top of the card (and again, these same people don’t mind insulting WWE or their executives, so it isn’t a case of wanting to play nice). I just think the stories have been so few and far between and relatively harmless (most people tell the same story) that I think we could give him the benefit of the doubt. For as long as he’s been on top and for as many people as he’s worked against, there’s no way they would all stay quiet.

      As others have noted, the fact that CM Punk, who went on a tear about WWE, named names and took a backseat to Cena during his title reign, didn’t badmouth Cena is very revealing to me.

      • Stan Ford

        That Punk didn’t badmouth him doesn’t mean much beyond that Cena didn’t fuck with him personally or any of the select few Punk considered friends. It’s not like chip-on-his-shoulder headphones-always-on Punk was a champion of the locker room himself.

        • Phrederic

          He seemed to be a champion for the black talent.

          Numerous African-American wrestlers have said that Punk stood up for them, and they said this post-Punk leaving the company…on WWE-approved media.

          Darren Young said Punk hugged him in front of everybody after he came out and told everybody if they fucked with Darren they’d fuck with Punk.

          Big E credits Punk for continuing to be on the main-roster after his NXT callup and the Dolph partnership fell apart. Punk asked specifically to wrestle Langston multiple times.

        • brak_attack

          But if Cena were to bury anybody, Punk absolutely should have been the guy he would bury. Punk was far more of a threat to his position than Ryback or pretty much anybody would be. I think Cena not fucking with Punk is telling in and of itself.

          • Stan Ford

            Could be that Cena liked Punk as a guy and had no worries about his position. Punk humble-bragged about his 3 AM phone conversations with Vince, but I’m sure Cena is tighter with him and knows it.

      • jb619

        I feel like part of the reason this happened was because Punk’s beef was with Hunter. Punk came off as critical with the people who ran the company and they have a lot more power than Cena would over Punk’s position in the company..

    • rxchrisg

      Why do we always say Cena gets Nikki pushed? She wrestles competently enough,has tits larger than my head,and wears the smallest bikini bottoms TV-PG allows. She’s getting pushed to the moon Cena or no.

      • Phrederic

        She’d have a job without Cena, but she wouldn’t be portrayed as the “toughest, strongest, most badass lady on the roster” without Cena.

        • sydh

          Being bigger than most of the competition also probably played a part in that.

          • Phrederic

            …indeed she is ‘bigger’ than most of the competition.

      • Stan Ford

        It’s more or less been confirmed that Cena was instrumental in saving her title a few times so she could break AJ’s record. I’m sure it didn’t take much convincing once she was within spitting distance and Vince realized it, but before that, Cena spent some political capital to make it happen.

    • LJFCAT

      Just because he’s being consulted on his angles – as well he should, one of the most important things is character consistency – doesn’t mean he’s a monster. Also, going to bat for your friends and loved ones doesn’t make you a terrible person either.

      Sure, he *may* be awful, but let’s wait until we have at least some concrete evidence of that before we dub him so.

      Also, lol’d at Flair sandwiched between Hogan and HBK.

  • itwastyped

    Ryback sucked and the fact he thinks Alex Riley is “money” says it all really

    • Supermark25

      His turn on Miz was pretty great though.

      • justicegris

        That was 90% due to Miz though (see what happened w Sandow as well).

        • Stan Ford

          Bingo. People just really, really like seeing The Miz get punched in the face. That’s, like, 95% of the reason he still has a job.

          • Phrederic

            And he might be harder working than Cena.

          • Stan Ford

            Oh, I’m Team Miz 100%. Dude’s been killing it lately and I loved his title reign even if I hated the booking.

          • Phrederic

            He’s a good IC champion.

            But…Dean is champion now.

            yay

          • Stan Ford

            I’ll give SD the benefit of the doubt and see where it goes before I render judgment on what seems like a boneheaded title switch.

        • Phrederic

          Nonsense, Aron Rex is a STAR, A STAR!

        • brak_attack

          Miz had a significant amount to do with the success (or sometimes potential success) or resurgence of Riley, Sandow, Bryan and John Morrison.

  • White Thunder

    Just turn Cena heel already.

  • Phrederic

    Cena has been mostly pretty bad for the newer talent, but if he buried Ryback and Riley, than good for him.

    And being a good guy in your personal life and being a non-dickhead at work are not one and the same.

  • Converge241

    Cena burying Riley has been talked about well before Ryback bringing it up.

  • Nellykins

    WTF is a “ryback” anyway? Silverback is a gorilla and razorback is a wild boar but I never understood what a ryback was supposed to be. Add to that, when he debuted in the Ryback character his trunks were decorated with cyborg/terminator airbrush art. So he was supposed to be a robot ape-pig? I never understood what he was aiming for. Fuck Ryback

    • Steve Jeffery

      I think it was Seagal’s character name in some movie.

      • Mr. P

        Under Seige

        • MaffewOfBotchamania

          and Under Siege 2!

    • sydh

      Ryback was a portmanteau of Ryan (his former first name) and Silverback. His name was Ryan and he was built like a gorilla. There you go.

  • redman

    The only thing I’ve heard (and believe) about cena being a douche was the nexus match at summerslam. I really don’t believe that he thought that was a good idea for anyone but himself

  • ziggaman730

    its hilarious how you only see jobbing geeks take shots at Cena while upper carders and legends of the ring have nothing but great things to say about him. Im sure Ryback, Ken Doan n Alex Riley not liking him will cause him to lose zero sleep.

    • tannerfamilyfun92

      And Kenny Dykstra shut his mouth as soon as the Spirit Squad got another chance late last year

      Funny how CM Punk – a guy who could legitimately say Cena took too much of the spotlight – has nothing but good things to say about Cena

      • JasonMK

        And if you know anything about CM Punk, he’s not afraid to publicly air his grievances.

  • sydh

    I was a big fan of Ryback, but these post-WWE shoots make me think he overestimates his value as a talent. On the other hand, I think a lot of his detractors (including some of the people who’ve commented here) go too far in the other direction and underestimate him. Regardless of how talented (or not) you think the guy was, he was seriously over for a while and got screwed over big time by the booking. I mean, the guy verbally submitted in a match after getting kicked in the leg by the Miz of all people. If that had happened to Cesaro, for example, people would still be ranting about it to this day and calling for the bookers’ heads. And yeah, Cesaro’s the better overall talent (especially in the ring), and much better liked by us hardcore fans, but he has NEVER been as consistently over as peak Ryback was.

    • ziggaman730

      he screwed himself over by being so dangerous in the ring it was a liability to put any type of draw in a match with him.

  • Victory73

    This Alex Riley story better be good with all this hype.

  • tannerfamilyfun92

    The idea that John Cena felt threatened by Alex Riley of all people is absurd

  • MemphisHeat

    I remember hearing Ryback on the Austin podcast say, in no uncertain terms, that he could be the next John Cena. At that point, it occurred to me that Mr. Reeves had a bit of an over-inflated view of his own ability.

  • dirtyearsbill

    If Alex Riley’s twitter presence is any indication of what he’s like as a person, I can’t say I’m mad that he got black balled in wwe. Dude seems like a real tool. Same with Ryback.

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