Wrestling Observer Flashback–09.02.91

Previously on the Flashback… http://blogofdoom.com/index.php/2017/01/05/wrestling-observer-flashback-08-26-91/

Time for SUMMERSLAM.

And someone’s time runs out.

– Although the big news of the weekend was Summerslam ‘91, the bigger news was the suspension of Ultimate Warrior “for no less than 90 days” following the show.  Dave is pretty sure that Warrior isn’t coming back, but officially he’s still under contract. Unofficially, he’s been taken out of all advertising and future plans. There’s little detail as to why, but rumor is that he was seeking a contract equal to that of Hulk Hogan and Vince wasn’t giving in.  In fact, Warrior wanted guaranteed money on the level of $1 million a year, which wasn’t going to happen for anyone except Hogan.  (A few years back, the amazing @mookieghana posted all the details from the court proceedings and we learned exactly what everyone was making for that show)  Warrior is unable to work for the competition because he’s only suspended at this point, not technically fired.

– So this kind of messes up the pairings for the fall.  Warrior was supposed to work with Undertaker as the top program, before switching to Jake Roberts in mid-October while Roddy Piper worked with Flair and Undertaker with Savage.

– Dave recaps the wedding reception angle that was shot after Summerslam, which featured Jake Roberts crashing the reception and a cobra attacking the bride, which now sets up a Savage-Roberts program in place of Warrior-Roberts.  Undertaker would then be put into a program with Sid, which has some people annoyed because it’s seemingly way too soon for that program.  (6 years too soon as it turned out.)  Savage, meanwhile, is STILL insisting that he doesn’t want to come back full-time, so Vince was threatening to pull him off TV if he didn’t come back.  Savage has, for the moment, agreed to do a PPV match with Roberts and maybe Undertaker, but still considers himself retired.  So when the house shows start up again with A and B shows, it’ll now be Flair v. Piper or Hogan as the A show, and Sid v. Jake Roberts on the B show, and no definite idea for Undertaker.

SUMMERSLAM ‘91

(I could have watched this show on a friend’s satellite dish, but I was away at a workshop for my high school yearbook, because I was so awesome in high school, and I had to painfully wait for results in the NEWSPAPER the next morning in the days before smart phones.  The painful life of a writer.) 

1. Koko B. Ware pinned Kato in 7:15 after a missile dropkick in the dark match.  **

2. Ricky Steamboat & Kerry Von Erich & British Bulldog beat The Warlord & Hercules & Paul Roma in 11:37 when Steamboat pinned Roma with a high cross.  Well-paced and good in spots, but the guys lost the page a few times.  The finish was sloppy.  **1/4

3. Bret Hart beat Mr. Perfect by submission to win the IC title in 18:03.  An excellent match that stole the show, even more amazing considering that Perfect was in excruciating pain the entire match.  This was Coach’s farewell match as a manager.  The match was better than the rating, but the finish was bad in that Hart barely even applied the Sharpshooter before Perfect gave up.  ****

4. The Natural Disasters beat the Bushwackers in 6:29.  At least it was short.  3/4*

5.  Virgil beat Ted Dibiase to win the Million Dollar Belt in 14:10.  Dibiase did a great job and Virgil took good bumps to make it entertaining.  The booking was the highlight here, with Dibiase going into an exposed turnbuckle to give Virgil the win for the biggest pop of the night.  ***1/4

6. Big Bossman pinned the Mountie in the jailhouse match in 10:38.  Crowd was swarming to the concession stand during the match, but the work was OK.  The match didn’t get much reaction but Mountie getting thrown in the paddy wagon got a big pop.  *1/2

7. The Legion of Doom beat the Nasty Boys in 7:26 to win the WWF tag team titles, which makes them the only team to ever hold the WWF, NWA and AWA tag titles.  Mostly heat on Hawk and a brawl the whole way, ending with Saggs taking the Doomsday Device for the pin.  **1/2

8.  IRS pinned Greg “The Human Intermission” Valentine in 8:35 with an inside cradle.  *1/4

9.  Hulk Hogan & Ultimate Warrior pinned Sgt. Slaughter & General Adnan & Col Mustafa in 12:20 of the main event.  Slaughter had a few good bumps, but that was about it.  Warrior chased off the heels after the hot tag and never returned, leaving Hogan and Justice to pose at the end of the match.  Could have been worse, but it was awful for a main event.  *1/4

10.  And finally, the wedding, as the crew “tried to set a new land speed record” in changing the ring over due to the length of the show.  Everyone mostly left during the wedding.

– Preliminary buyrate is 2.7, or 400,000 orders, which is way down from the previous two years.

– Bobby Heenan shot an angle with the NWA World title belt, as Hogan slammed the door in his face, which sets up the Flair program in the fall.

– Overall, Dave thought it was a good show, better than WM but not as good as Rumble.  The wedding was really rushed and there wasn’t really much in the way of big angles, however.

– Clearly everyone on the show was still on steroids, two months after they first announced steroid testing to the talent.  It is actually healthier to ease off steroids due to the nasty side effects and muscle loss.  If you ease off the roids, you stand a better chance of your body producing testosterone at a healthy rate again.  That being said, guys tapering off should look like normal weight-trainers and not super-muscled freakazoids like Warlord and Kerry Von Erich.

– Former women’s star Vivian Vachon, 39, (aunt of Luna Vachon) was killed in a tragic car accident when her car was hit by a drunk driver who ran a red light.

– Billy Graham hasn’t filed his lawsuit officially yet, but the WWF lawyers are already issuing statements denying any request for a settlement.  Graham is disputing Vince’s claim that his hip operation was paid for by the WWF, noting that Vince garnished his paycheque every week until it was fully paid off.

– More controversy from last week, as Bruno read the Observer story about David’s steroid use and allegedly threatened Mark Madden with physical violence because he was so upset.  Bruno and David actually haven’t been on speaking terms in a long time and this certainly didn’t help their relationship anyway.  David had actually been lying to Bruno the whole time, telling him that was “shooting vitamin B-12” and not steroids.  (Yeah, officer, it’s a baggie full of B-12 to help my appetite, that’s the ticket.) 

– Jim Herd continues to dig his own professional grave, as he was quoted in another newsletter as saying that Flair made up the whole story about being offered the booking job, because he’s never told the truth in his life and they were nice enough to let him go where he really wanted to be.  Legal threats were quickly thrown back and forth, and the end result is that TBS legal will print a retraction in an upcoming issue of Matwatch.

– Speaking of WCW, the not-so-Great American Bash rolled through the Omni with the US title tournament on 8/25, drawing 5000 fans for the finale of the Bash series.  Sting won the title over Steve Austin in the finals, beating him with an inside cradle in a **1/4 match.  The tournament was laden with screwjobs.  The rundown!

1. Austin beat Zenk by over-the-top DQ in 9:00.  *1/2

2. Diamond Studd pinned Bobby Eaton with his feet on the ropes. *

3. Johnny B. Badd went to a 15:00 draw with Yellow Dog.  *

4. Richard Morton and Dustin Rhodes went to a double countout.  ***

5. Sting pinned Arn Anderson **

Second round:

6. Austin beat Barry Windham by DQ in 3:00 when Windham shoved the ref.  1/2*  (Where the fuck did Barry Windham come from?  They did two double eliminations in the first round of a 10-man tournament and Windham somehow got a bye?  Who booked this crap?) 

7. Sting pinned Studd in 4:00.  *

8.  Sting pinned Austin to win the title.

– The original winner was booked to be Nikita Koloff, but he was told to stay home and then advertised all the way up until the day of the show anyway.

– Dusty Rhodes is scheduled to return to the ring as special referee for the main event of the next Omni show, which means they’re getting REALLY desperate.

– To Japan, where speculation about the retirement of Riki Choshu continues, although Dave thinks there’s zero chance he actually retires on the big 9/23 show.  The story being reported by the papers has been roundly denied by New Japan, but Choshu is on vacation and thus isn’t around to issue his own denial.  (Pretty convenient!) 

– SWS is promoting a Dome show on 12/12 headlined by Hogan v. Tenryu, with some expensive tickets as a result.

– The WCW tour for Kensuke Sasaki and Hiro Hase, which has been planned FOREVER, is now scrapped completely because Sasaki broke his shinbone doing a dive in a match against a bunch of rookies.

– The UWFI actually ran out of money this month because doing one show per month isn’t enough to support their finances.  So they brokered a deal with Hachiro Tanaka, owner of SWS, to bankroll the promotion.

– Chris Champion is actually getting over in FMW as “The Masked Turtle”, complete with costume.  Apparently FMW fans aren’t as picky as other Japanese fans about that sort of silliness.

– Speaking of FMW, they had a show scheduled in Calgary for September, but cancelled it to the surprise of no one.

– Giant Baba REALLY loves the Black Hearts and wants to train them in the full Japanese style, like was done with Chris Benoit, because they’re over and do all the hot moves but don’t have a foundation to work from.  (What parallel universe where fucking Gangrel is a future star is this written from?) 

– To Global, where they’re actually changing the identity of the big mystery heel manager called “The Boss” because so many people figured out it was Skandor Akbar.  They apparently don’t know who it’ll be yet.

– After the messed up finish of the North American title tournament finals last time, they did a rematch and this time Patriot won the title cleanly over Al Perez.  They turned Perez babyface afterwards because everyone was cheering him anyway.

– Ken Patera is having his hip replaced, but it has nothing to do with steroids, just the regular pounding that he’s taken from years in wrestling.

– Jim Herd was trying to get his Hunchbacks gimmick added to Halloween Havoc, with Kevin Sullivan playing one of the team members, but it appears to have been scrapped.  (Man, that story sure gained traction over the years.) 

– Nikita Koloff was originally signed for $1000 a night, but they wanted to negotiate down to the $300 a night deal everyone else works under, and thus he’s gone.

– To the WWF, where Mr. Fuji is on the way out of the promotion.

– A reporter from a paper in Winston-Salem NC called Dave looking for details on the Flair-to-WWF story, and Dave gave him the whole saga from start-to-finish.  When it was over, the reporter wouldn’t print it because he didn’t believe that any promotion could actually be as stupid as WCW was and he thought Dave was just making it up.

– And finally, although Legion of Doom won the tag titles, they’re still wanting to leave for New Japan in 1992 because they can make more money for less dates, and don’t have to worry about drug testing. (Man, in retrospect that WWF-LOD relationship was pretty dysfunctional on both ends.) 

  • Devin Harris

    Write in a bye for windham or have him continually no show. Same difference

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      He no-showed the first round.

  • James BC

    “the finish was bad in that Hart barely even applied the Sharpshooter before Perfect gave up.”

    I don’t see the problem with this. If a guy’s got you in a painful, damaging hold, and you know you’re not near the ropes and can’t get out of it, why wouldn’t you give up straight away and avoid an injury? It’s more absurd when guys writhe in agony for a minute just to show how tough they are, with no obvious plan for how to actually break the hold.

    Remember that ultimate submission match between Benoit and Angle? I thought it was great that they would tap out quickly to holds to get a better chance of getting their own submissions later.

    • Earl called for the bell before the move was actually applied though. He just jumped the gun. It’s odd but I wouldn’t lower my rating for the match because of it.

      • James M. Fabiano

        Yeah, it’s not like he’ll ever repeat that act again, will he?

    • Miko363

      If they ran this match today, Perfect would be in the hold for 10 minutes before finally getting to the ropes, and then would immediately hit big moves that require lower back strength.

      • Followed by needing to go on IR for months, and people complaining that all that “flashy flippy overselling” put him there.

      • TooDarkMark

        And Bret Hart would blame Bret Hart for Perfect’s injury and for not protecting him.

    • Guy Smiley

      I *loved* the quick submission in this match when I was a kid and I still love it today. For me, it put over the Sharpshooter as the most painful, and perfect (no pun intended), submission hold. Hennig did a phenomenal job the entire match, especially during the final sequence, to put the move over.

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      The problem with the finish is that Perfect wasn’t giving up. He’s clearly shaking his head no, even after the bell. Earl must have been very excited to wrap that one up.

      • Boomska316 .

        Perfect screwed Perfect.

    • JasonMK

      It wouldn’t surprise me if having Perfect tap quickly was Bret’s idea. He’d tell Curt that submitting quickly would put over how brave and strong he was for wrestling with such a bad back, while in the long run it only helps put himself over.
      It just goes along with Bret’s long history of looking to put himself over as a tribute or show of respect for someone else.

  • Mr. Fuji stuck around for another 5 years. Maybe just wishful thinking by Dave?

    • thejob111

      He did disappear for a little bit and then popped back up with the Berzerker, but then kind of faded until he came with Yokozuna. He might have left for a bit and then returned.

      • JasonMK

        He had already been managing the Berzerker at this time. It appears Fuji was at every TV taping in 1991. I don’t think he ever left. He was with the Berzerker from Feb. 91 through SummerSlam 1992, then started with Yokozuna at the Oct. 92 TV tapings.

        • Bettis

          Did he have his later look before Yokozuna came along or was it top hat and cane through Summerslam 92?

          • JasonMK

            Looking back now. Fuji had his top hat and suit look at SummerSlam 92 with the Berzerker as well as when Yokozuna debuted on Superstars in October. He wore a black robe at the Survivor Series, so it changed somewhere in between then. Apparently, he was still managing Berzerker right up until Survivor Series.

          • He also still had hair until right after Rumble ’93

    • Adam The Reindeer

      i thought he left than was resigned for the Yokozuna run.

  • Chris B

    God I could watch late 91 Jake Roberts all day long … the promo he cut about how he could cultivate Liz it a real woman? Just incredible.

    • #HOSSAPPROVED

    • Boomska316 .

      Slapping Liz at Tuesday In Texas has to be his peak as a heel.

      • Chris B

        he was operating in a different stratosphere with that Savage feud. Nobody could touch him.

        • Boomska316 .

          I’m kind of surprised that Savage was OK with that considering how overprotective he supposedly was.

          • taabr2

            Savage wanted to keep Liz away from all the crap backstage, not really storyline stuff.

          • Boomska316 .

            I guess you’re right. He was probably more worried about someone making a move on her rather than the on screen stuff.

          • PATRICKisLEGEND

            Well, the lockerroom stuff doesn’t make you any money. Watching it today, Jake barely touched her. It’s pretty tame.

      • Buster Abbott

        That might be anyone’s peak as a heel. Watching it 25 years later, and the feeling is still legit anger at Jake before you remember “oh wait, it’s just a storyline.”

        • jabroniville

          I actually legitimately hated him for years because of that. Despite knowing that it was fake. It’d be like being pissed at Ian McDarmind for hitting Luke Skywalker with lightning. But fuck me, Jake was a good heel.

  • thejob111

    I LOVE Summerslam 91. I must have watched a tape of it 100 times as a kid. Such a fun event. The only weak parts are actually the main events, but the undercard is great. The hot MSG crowd, great commentary, and the fact that it was mostly faces winning in very well built up angles made it awesome. WWE wishes they could get something like Virgil/Dibiase today.

    Just a great time to watch. The show just flies on by.

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      It’s one of the best “feel good” shows they ever did.

  • James M. Fabiano

    At one point I think the Boss was also rumored to be Madusa.

  • Boomska316 .

    “Bret Hart beat Mr. Perfect by submission to win the IC title in 18:03” Dave failed to mention Lord Alfred “Interviewer of the Year” Hayes interviewing Stu after the match and yanking the mic away after 3 seconds while shouting, “he’s speechless!”

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      Meanwhile, Stu is clearly still talking behind him. Hilarious.

      • JasonMK

        Don’t blame Lord Alfred. Stu Hart was like a human “lip-synch failure” whenever he talked. I think his brain took too long for the words to get to his mouth while his mouth had already started because it knew it had to say something.

        • Boomska316 .

          Yeah, nobody ever accused Stu of being The Great Orator himself.

    • thejob111

      lol just a hilarious interview on so many levels

    • redman

      That was already great but would have been even better if lawler had been on commentary

    • markn95

      You know why Stu and Helen look nervous, Monsoon? They snuck in! They’re looking out for the ushers!

      –Bobby Heenan

      • AwelCruiz

        Will you stop!

    • YES!! I’m glad you brought that up. We literally covered that exact segment a few episodes ago.

  • Adam The Reindeer

    The Summerslam 1991 payoff sheets, for anyone interested (i’m asusming that’s most people on here)
    http://imgur.com/a/HVO0C#0

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      Especially funny that Roma’s name doesn’t show up in the sheet. It’s just “Glory.”

    • juvydriver

      Wow…HBK made the same as one of the Hebners.

      • I think the only other time that ever happened was Survivor Series ’97…

    • thejob111

      I like how it says Savage vs Elizabeth

    • juvydriver

      So, what does the draw mean? I know it typically means they took money against future earnings, but if they were just paid, why would they need that?

      • chrisH

        PPV payoffs usually were sent months after the show.

      • Stephen

        They weren’t paid that amount up front. The draw was basically their drinking money.

    • thejob111

      It an interesting look and you can see where tension can get built up with the wrestlers. Sid Justice gets 25k for being huge and wearing a ref shirt.

    • Rob Hoffmann

      They must have been expecting to do well on PPV, since they paid twice the live gate to the talent… 🙂

    • J. Frizz

      So the company basically lost almost $400k running that show when you leave out PPV buys? Do I have that right?

    • jabroniville

      Bret won the IC Title and was only getting paid equal to Jerry Fucking Sags?

  • PATRICKisLEGEND

    Warrior just wanted a bigger cut of the gate because he was helping draw the house. Terminated.

    Four year later…

    Diesel complains that he’s getting half of what Shawn Michaels is getting, when Shawn is literally doing one move a night and not taking bumps. New world champ.

    • JasonMK

      And Shawn’s one move a night and not taking bumps still showed twice the athletic ability of anything Nash was doing.

      *Hair flip*

    • taabr2

      What I like about these flashback is that they provide Vince’s reasoning for doing what he does when it comes to booking. I can’t image what Meltzer has to say about Vince sticking to his guns with Diesel, while Hogan was bring up WCW to a competitive spot.

  • juvydriver

    “Graham is disputing Vince’s claim that his hip operation was paid for by the WWF, noting that Vince garnished his paycheque every week until it was fully paid off.” – Technically, Vince did pay for it………

    • IN_RadioGuy

      That would fit with a story Patera told on the Flair podcast. IIRC, the WWF was sending regular checks as if Patera had been on the road rather than in jail after the McDonald’s drive-thru incident. Once he came back, he noticed the paydays were coming up short and Linda told him they were taking out a portion to repay the company for what they paid out during the incarceration.

      • Same thing happened to Neidhart after he had that plane incident. Vince/WWF helped cover his legal bills, then started pulling a little out of each check to make it back up.

        Also applies to anyone who got their gear through the WWF at that time. Most famously, Jake Roberts paying something like $5-7K for a pair of snakeskin boots.

  • Adam The Reindeer

    So how is a 10 man tournament supposed to go if they don’t luckily have 2 draws? 5 guys in the next round doesn’t make sense. You either need guys added or 1 taken away.

    • Bettis

      JCP/WCW was horrible at booking tournaments. Wrap your head around the 1988 Crockett Cup. I presume Windham had a bye because he was scheduled to face Koloff? I want to say they actually announced the brackets on TV (WNN segment maybe?) but it would take a while for me to go back and try to find it.

    • Stephen

      First round:
      1 – 6 BYE
      7, 8,9,10 – first round matches
      1 v 9/10, 2 v 7/8, 3 v 6, 4 v 5.

      Of course, that’s far from what WCW booked, I’m guessing, but it makes SOME sense.

      • TooDarkMark

        Why is this WCW? Dusty Rhodes God bless his soul was horrible at booking tournaments. Sometimes I wondered if he didn’t care and figured the mutants in the crowd didn’t care either. Little did he know that nerds were taking up wrestling, and someday entire websites would be dedicated to discussing these misplanned tournaments.

    • Buster Abbott

      But why not just book an eight-man tournament and avoid all the extra hassle?

  • y2j420

    OK, so for the Hunchbacks gimmick…did Herd want that done in order to have 2 wrestlers who couldn’t be pinned since both of their shoulders would never be on the mat? If so, and as much as I love Vince McMahon, Vince’s original intent for Bastion Booger was to have him wear that dumb shit outfit as a way to make his back hunched so he couldn’t be pinned…

  • JasonMK

    A couple notes:
    1. I remember seeing the pay sheet for SummerSlam 91. In it, Hogan, Warrior & Savage each earned $75,000 (Hogan got an additional $15,000 bonus, however). Next were Slaughter and Elizabeth earning $50,000 each. On the sheet, the wedding was labeled “*MARRIAGE* SAVAGE VS. ELIZABETH”. I guess that sums that up properly.

    2. I see that Dave lists Vivian Vachon’s age as 39, where Wikipedia and some other sources (cagematch.net & wrestlingdata.com) have her listed as being 47 at the time of her death (although in the text on Wikipedia it states she was born in 1951, not 1944). I thought she would’ve been older, but I guess the 39 age sounds correct to me assuming she had her first match at the age of 18 rather than 26.

    3. Vince wanted the Road Warriors back in 1985 when they were bad asses, and he got them in 1990 when they were divas. I don’t think Vince was ever really happy with what he ended up with in them, and his subsequent use of them made them unhappy with him.

    4. You would think the Warrior being suspended would’ve been bigger news, maybe somewhere between Sid leaving WCW and Flair leaving WCW in newsworthiness. But, it turns out with the 90-days suspension instead of his being fired, it dragged everything out and by the time the 90 days was over it was pretty much forgotten. The talk was more about what the WWF was going to do to mix up their fall and winter plans and less about what the Warrior was going to do. Very interesting.

    5. “Ken Patera is having his hip replaced, but it has nothing to do with steroids, just the regular pounding that he’s taken from years in wrestling.” Was the “regular pounding” from the guys in the locker room who found his curly hair and milky white thighs hot?

    • Michael Weyer

      Man, imagine the Warriors of 85 against Hart Foundation or British Bulldogs….

      • jabroniville

        It’s almost hard to see where they fit… they were so dominant they actually caused problems in many promotions. I can’t imagine the Bulldogs or Harts being happy with being skooshed on the regular. I’m guessing… the Harts as cheating heels who go on short runs with the titles?

  • taabr2

    I don’t blame that reporter, WCW has truly pulled some mind-boggling stuff and 1991 is nothing compared to 1993 (in my opinion) now that Flair’s firing is over I can’t wait for the Disney tapings, the mini-movies and of course the Cactus Jack amnesia saga.

    • Stephen

      As ludicrous as the Disney tapings seem in the internet era, they made perfect sense back then. The only people who knew were a couple of thousand fans who’d already been smartened up, and in return for that risk WCW got to save a ton of cash.

      The problem was that they tried to get too cute with the tag titles and wound up backed into a corner.

      • Bettis

        Plus the fans in attendance were hardly fans, just tourists so it wasn’t like they were going to leak results.

      • Jordan

        The Disney tapings inadvertently killed the NWA off for good and changed the trajectory of SMW, ECW, and the fledgling WWN, too.

        • jabroniville

          How so? I remember reading the story of “the guys who won the tag titles from guys who hadn’t won it yet”, but that’s all.

          • Jordan

            Short version: SMW and ECW where in the process of joining the NWA in 1993. Given both promotions’ success, the relationship with New Japan and the possibility of national television exposure through Crockett’s WWN, there was a chance the NWA could fill power void left by the business demise of WWF and WCW. However the members were being sold on the idea of Flair doing the traveling champion gimmick in their territories. When Rude got the belt at the Disney tapings they realized Flair wasn’t coming and neither was Rude and that the NWA had no actual power in the relationship. Everything fell apart from there.

  • Adam The Reindeer

    To be fair to Gangrel whilst he was never a great technical wrestler he got the psychology down well and could have a decent match. There’s been main evebnters with far less.

    • JasonMK

      Maybe Scott’s point is who in their right mind would look at Gangrel and think this could be the next Chris Benoit?

      • PeteF3

        That’s…not really what Baba or Dave said.

    • Kevlar Moneyclipz

      I mean he got over during one of the hottest points of the business and helped get one of the best tag teams of all time over with his gimmick work. It seems like Baba was right on that.

  • Eric Embrey told a interesting story about AL Perez on the Steve Austin show last week. Where WCW was looking to put him over big and program him with Flair and Perez was going to go into business for himself and shoot on Flair on TV and take the World Title and then force WCW to sign him to a big contract. He was supposed to come in with Gary Hart who had close ties with WCW and when Hart found out what Perez had planned told WCW and Perez pretty much ruined his career moving forward because he couldn’t be trusted.

    • Stephen

      That sounds like a monumental pile of bullshit. It’s not like WCW’s non-Clash shows were live. Perez shoots, somehow pins Flair (oooookay), and then, what, WCW says “fuck it” and airs the match to protect the business from the 250 people in center stage who saw it?

      • juvydriver

        I’ve heard a couple of other guys tell the same story, so it seems legit. Fairly short sighted on the part of Al Perez, but he seemed to make a lot of decisions like that.

      • Rob Hoffmann

        While Embry couldn’t be trusted to tell you what time it is, this would explain why Perez vanished from the business so abruptly. Even if there was no chance in hell it would work, Perez might just have been dumb enough to try it, and Hart would be just the guy to stooge him off.

      • I’m just recounting what Embry said, I agree it sounds like a far fetched story.

    • Barry Gilpin

      It’s in Gary Hart’s book as well, and the timeline he gives is right when you stop seeing Perez’s name in the results on that historyofwwe site, so SOMETHING happened there.

      • MG66

        According to Hart’s book, it was at a house show in Florida. Perez was from there and his family was going to be in attendance. Perez’s contract was coming up and was going to take the title to get a new contract.

  • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

    LOL at Warrior asking for Hogan money without ever producing Hogan money.

    • Theberzerker #HUSStag

      He sure did believe in himself…ya gotta give ‘im that.

      • PATRICKisLEGEND

        Always believe.

    • AZdove

      Somewhere on the internet there’s a letter he wrote to VKM saying that he was as responsible for WM VII’s success as Hulk. A) wasn’t the show sort of a failure at the old Clippers arena and B) wouldn’t it be Macho that was equally responsible….everyone cried when he lost and Liz came to save him.

  • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

    Crazy how Vince gets all these big potential game-changers from NWA/WCW. Road Warriors were kind of more trouble than they were worth. Same with Sid. Same with the Steiners later. Luger fizzled out. Flair had a great 1992 but it wasn’t some big game-changing signing by the time it happened.

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      As we get closer, I’d love to know what happened with the Steiners.

      • Theberzerker #HUSStag

        Not wanting to give up their Japan bookings, mostly.

        • PATRICKisLEGEND

          But I mean, contracts had to be involved… who said what, who promised what… were the Steiners just being shits?

          I’m in the early 90s of my WCW watching and they’re just insane. That’s when I started watching to begin with.

          • Theberzerker #HUSStag

            Remember this was in ’93-94, still during Vince’s “I offer you an opportunity” phase. No guaranteed contracts until ’96.

          • PATRICKisLEGEND

            $1,500 downside guarantee and cuts of the gate, I know… but there still must have been non-compete stuff in there.

          • HartKiller_09

            I think they just didn’t think they were making enough money in WWF to give up their Japan dates.

    • Stephen

      He generally got them on the wrong side of WCW having their way with them. The Warriors were dead to the world outside of Japan as of 1990. Luger had the weird contract issues so he took all of 1992 off. Flair, as noted, had passed his peak.

      I don’t know what else he could’ve gotten out of the Steiners, other than someone tossing Rick into the deep ocean and getting Scott a singles push five years early. Other than that, they did about as well as a tag team in that era of the WWF was going to (although I still don’t understand why they didn’t ever get a clean win over Money Inc on TV or PPV).

      Sid is the lone exception, but he was just too much of a headcase to ever really make money with.

      • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

        Scott as a singles star in the WWF is a great What if? After they do their token tag run, have someone like Yokozuna injure Rick, triggering the Scott singles push. Rick plays sympathetic character for a while to boost the Scott push, then Rick moves on to his own midcard push. Scott winning the 94’Rumble and beating Yoko for the title would be the best case.

  • Theberzerker #HUSStag

    I remember the pics of the US title tournament in WCW magazine. If that was on TV or PPV, some of those star ratings would be a lot higher. In fact, not televising it in any format was pretty fucking dumb…….because WCW.

    • Anthony Scipione

      They aired one small clip on Sting pinning Austin to win the belt on tv. I actually have it on a VHS tape somewhere in my collections.

  • markn95

    As great as Summerslam 91 is in hindsight, I remember feeling let down after watching it live as a kid. As many have noted in this thread, it was an all-time great undercard but the main “events”–the Match(es) Made in Heaven/Hell–were pretty lackluster. The tag match was anticlimactic in the extreme, as everyone knew Hogan & Warrior were winning. And the payoff for the Sid special ref angle–Sid getting to pose with Hogan–was kind of a letdown, too. The wedding was even more dull. Given the history Savage and Elizabeth had in WWF storylines, I’m shocked they didn’t do an angle for the live crowd (and really, what’s the good of a wrestling wedding without a big angle at the end?) It wasn’t until the next weekend that the syndicated shows even aired the Jake/Taker angle at the reception;

    • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

      That show–and venue–deserved Hogan-Warrior II instead of the Slaughter nonsense

    • Adam Wright

      The tag match was a great semi-main but it needed something as a top match after it. It just fizzled out.

  • slapdabass

    “The Human Intermission” reminds me of a kid on my high school wrestling team that was nicknamed “the walking forfeit.” And that was by the coach, not one of us ass hat teenagers.

  • RawisStoned

    Dave didn’t even mention “Forever” the Randy and Liz tribute video? Criminal. (I am completely serious by the way. After all these years it still tugs at the old heartstrings.)

    • juvydriver

      Duke used the same dictionary definition of “indefinite” that Macho/Liz used for “forever.”

      • RawisStoned

        The mark in me believes that they lived happily ever after ok?

      • The Gambler

        So the divorce was official 40 minutes later?

    • nwa88

      Did that song make the Network version?

    • Boomska316 .

      They reused that song for the Test/Stephanie wedding later on.

  • Hammertime

    Summerslam 91 was the 1st wrestling i ever watched.
    I remember coming home from school and my brother had a VHS tape of this that had been taped off of SKY Tv.

    Never thought I would still be watching wrestling 25 years later!

    • Griffin99

      You and me both. Flicking through channels at my girlfriend’s parents’ house one evening, caught Heenan with the big gold belt knocking on Hogan’s door on Sky and was bewildered by the wedding “main event”, still here.

  • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

    I still say the Summerslam main event should have ended with Sid turning and destroying Hulk and Warrior

  • The Gambler

    Dave no-sold ALL the stuff with the Mountie actually at the jail. Quotable lines for DAYS.

    • markn95

      New Japan probably had a much, much better jailhouse match that week.

    • Michael Weyer

      Heenan’s moaning over “we may never see the Mountie again” kills me every time.

    • Dave was at MSG for the show and hadn’t seen the PPV version yet.

      • The Gambler

        I thought that was probably the case.

    • “You want da finger! Here’s da finger!” *flips them off*

  • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

    Probably seeing LaLa Land tonight

  • And A Diddly New Year

    For a second I thought that paragraph with the reporter calling Dave was going to end with “the story couldn’t be printed because Dave talked for hours”

  • AwelCruiz

    So in 1991, Macho Man wanted to just do commentary but Vince wanted him back in the ring full time?

    Funny how the situation did a complete 180 just three years later.

    • Jordan

      Macho was cool with being a commentator until they started paying him like one. It was the salary cut that made him want to get back into wrestling full time.

      • PeteF3

        Well, that and the idea of starting a family with Liz was out the window.

  • Michael Weyer

    So interesting to compare the two Warrior DVDs on this. The “Self-Destruction” naturally puts him in the wrong as a jerk and diva with Vince openly saying “i could not wait to fire him.” But the later documentary (which Warrior took part in before his death) has him a bit better, acknowledging plenty of bad decisions and ego on all sides. Shows more than one side to things and am glad he and WWE managed to mend fences before his death.

    • War Bot

      A lot of guys had to bite their tongue, swallow the pride and make it seem like Warrior wasn’t “That” bad. It was so evident on many faces that they just didn’t want to rock the boat and ruin a perfectly fine legends contract. Poor Ted Dibase.

  • HitmanHBK

    Well it was nice of the WWF to give Fuji a 5 year notice.

  • jabroniville

    Yeah, the LOD thing is weird. No wonder they were just abruptly dumped out of their Title reign. Watching WCW and the WWF disintegrate at the same time is fascinating, as is Randy’s sad attempts at retirement, while being one of the most over guys in the company and being dragged back in. I wonder if that’s the source of part of the Vince/Randy feud?

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