UT / Lesnar at Summerslam

Am I crazy to think that the "right" booking for the rematch at Summerslam is for Lesnar to show that breaking the streak wasn’t a fluke by soundly beating Undertaker?

But he already did soundly beat Undertaker, at Wrestlemania. There was nothing flukey about it. You pretty much have to have Undertaker go over here if you’re telling the Streak Revenge Tour story.

  • NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    • Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinson

      Calm down there, Lord Vader.

  • Infamous0NE

    Crazy? No

    Stupid? Maybe

  • The right booking is for Brock to go over convincingly, because the Undertaker is a 70 year-old man. What will happen? A build for revenge nobody cares to see.

    • Cory M

      If Taker indeed looks “70 years-old”, the crowd will turn on him and the match. I have no problem him going over if he can somehow bring the goods to a respectable level, but I remain VERY skeptical of that. He almost dropped Brock during that Tombstone at Battleground.

  • Daniel Swinney

    Maybe the new streak should be Brock’s SummerSquash streak.

    • Edward M

      He lost in 2003.

      • Daniel Swinney

        There are other kinds of streaks. I’m talking about just a succession of SummerSlams where Brock decimates a name guy in a non-competitive match.

      • No one remembers his previous career; they could even say “since 2012 no one has beaten Brock at Summerslam” and it would be awesome.

        • brocore

          Why bother? They lie about more important stuff anyway. They lied about Andre being undefeated in the run up to Wrestlemania III. They just can say Brock has a Summerslam streak and be done with it.

  • JM85

    I’m having flashbacks to 2012-13 when they wasted Brock in those HHH matches.

    • blizake

      I didn’t enjoy Brock Lesnar matches until he started using the suplex city offense last Summer. His earlier matches with Cena and Punk were good but nothing that special to me.

      • dirtyearsbill

        I actually really enjoyed his extreme rules match with Cena and his summerslam match with punk. His matches with triple h and big show were all boring as hell, though.

        • Adam “Colorado” Curry

          I’d still like a reasonable explanation as to why they wasted a Brock appearance on Show.

          • Virgil’s Gimmick Table

            Well that match did establish him as a fucking scary monster instead of just another guy who wins and loses. So there’s that.

      • Phrederic

        I liked the Punk match a lot, it was Punk’s last good match and Brock’s first good wrestling match since he came back (the Cena one was good, but it was more spectacle than bout).

        I also saw it live, so I might be biased.

  • Edward M

    And Lesnar would be ok with Taker going over. As long as he gets his paycheck, he doesn’t give a shit. He knows the audience still knows he’s the toughest man in WWE regardless of how he’s booked. He’d job cleanly to Heath Slater if the price was right.

    • Kenny_Reigns

      For me, that would be extremely entertaining: Heath Slater is the one guy who has Lesnar’s number. It would be like when the Sacramento Kings kept beating Jordan’s Bulls. By every metric, the Kings were terrible but they put everything into figuring out the Bulls.

      • Big D Wangston

        Same with Enrique Wilson and Pedro Martinez.

  • wnyxmcneal

    >You pretty much have to have Undertaker go over here if you’re telling the Streak Revenge Tour story. ​

    Why?

    • Curtis Williams

      Asking the tough questions.

  • THE YETAAAAY

    So what was the point of Brock breaking The Streak? The underlying hilarity of this is that Cena/Taker in a Title vs. Streak match is one match that could’ve legit sold out Dallas Stadium for WM32.

    • Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinson

      Vince: “The point was FUCK you. THAT’S why!”

      • That’s almost always the point.

      • Virgil’s Gimmick Table

        PAL!

    • KevinLockard

      I doubt it. No one match is gonna sell out the stadium next year, not even Brock vs Rock.

  • Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinson

    And that is why breaking the streak before he faced Cena sucks.

  • Starscreamlive

    This match should not be taking place right now. If UT is to have any drawing power for WM32, then he cannot lose this match. Yet if Brock loses, how does that make the rest of the WWE Universe look. He’s dominated everyone of any value on the roster since beating the streak, and now they job him out to a senior citizen? UT winning now makes the entire roster look weak (as if it doesn’t already look weak enough).

    • Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinson

      I think it’s a no contest and they do HiaC at Mania.

      • Starscreamlive

        That would work.

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      I don’t think the Undertaker’s age really factors into anything. Kayfabe wise, the guy is ageless.

      • Infamous0NE

        Kayfabe is dead pal

  • TraitorAlex

    To me that’s why the match is telegraphing some kind of wacky interference that sets these guys up for the year to come. Either Sting randomly interferes to cost the Undertaker the match or some kind of beefed up Wyatt family with reinforcements comes in and kidnaps Brock for reasons I can’t even fantasy book right now.

    But assuming that we’re going to get any kind of clean, conclusive ending just doesn’t make any sense for either side.

  • Dwayne

    I had enough of Brock and Taker fighting when it was 2002/3. I guess after enough time passes they can act like these guys haven’t fought a million times before and we are seeing something special.

  • Cory M

    The dynamics of the match should be very interesting, especially in front of the smarky Brooklyn crowd. If Taker looks absolutely awful (like many people fear), and the crowd gets a sense that he’s going over clean notwithstanding, I could see them shitting all over it.

    • Daniel O’Reilly

      It’s going to be Reigns winning the Rumble all over again.

    • Dusty4Prez

      rightfully so too. Just quit and ride bikes already.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    They could go total desperation, have Vince side with Taker, help him win, side Lesnar with the Authority, and have Fighting McMahons again. Isn’t that one of their “ratings” fallbacks?

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      AVATARS FOR CONTROL OF THE COMPANY

  • WhiteGoodman

    I think Vince McMahon is the only person who wants to see Brock Lesnar lose to the Undertaker in 2015.

  • Has Undertaker ever pinned BROCK LESNAR? I don’t think so. Brock beat him straight up at Mania, and owns victories over him in his previous life in Hell in a Cell and some kind of “biker chain” match (2002/2003). I think the best plan might be Brock beating undertaker here, the Undertkaer demanding one more match at Wrestlemania where he retires no matter what and finally slaying the beast BROCK LESNAR.

    • brocore

      Goddammit, no. No Mania match. Brock has a whole host of better opponents he can be working with — Reigns, Rollins, Rock, Rusev, and probably someone else whose name starts with R.

      • I don’t think Vince sees it that way; the rumor mill has already churned that this match leads to Wrestlemania.

      • steveweiser

        Ronda Rousey?

        • brocore

          Do not let those two near each other. If they mate, the universe is doomed.

      • Rob Reiner?

      • Eric Von Erich

        Rundertaker?

      • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

        Brock vs Rusev would be fun

    • zbinks

      “Has Undertaker ever pinned BROCK LESNAR?”

      I think Brock is unbeaten (3-0-1) in their televised, 1 on 1 matches

      Unforgiven 2002: Double DQ
      No Mercy 2002: Brock Lesnar (Hell in a Cell)
      No Mercy 2003: Brock Lesnar (Biker Chain)
      Wrestlemania: XXX: Brock Lesnar

      The Undertaker does hold a couple of pinfall victories over Brock on Smackdown in 2003. One was in a triple threat vs. Brock and The Big Show and the other was in a handicap match, also vs. Brock and The Big Show.

    • Kyle Warne

      Yes, because having the rub of ending the streak go in circular fashion between two part timers is the best use to make people tune in and watch raw with all the full time geeks.

  • He beat him in Hell in the Cell too. How many times does Brock have to beat the Cuntdertaker before he’s made his point?

    (I mainly just wrote this comment to try and get ‘Cuntdertaker’ over)

    • Adam “Colorado” Curry

      It worked for me.

  • brocore

    I really don’t want to see Taker win because that means we’ll probably see Taker vs Brock at Mania again. I’d much rather suffer through WWE trying to a Brock vs Roman rematch, because that won’t be plodding and suck, than to have to witness Brock vs Taker: The Revenge of the Revenge of Taker. Really, I just don’t want to see this match.

  • brocore

    So if this leads to a Wrestlemania re-match that means so far we have…

    Rock vs HHH or Rock and Rousey vs HHH and Steph (not likely, but that’s where they’d clearly like to go)
    Brock vs Undertaker

    …as the only legitimate matches we know so far. What the hell else can they book to fill AT&T Stadium? No one else on their roster besides Cena even registers as more than a blip on the pop culture radar.

    Cena vs Sting?
    Rollins vs Reigns vs Ambrose?
    Kane vs Big Show?

    • dirtyearsbill

      If (by some miracle) Bryan can wrestle again by mania, I’d still like to see Bryan vs HBK. I’m sure if they threw enough money at hbk he’d do it, especially since it’s Bryan. That’s a lot of what ifs and wishful thinking, though.

      • Adam “Colorado” Curry

        I think if HBK was coming back it would have happened by now, That’s about the only match I’d want him back for though, if he’s gonna back for another HHH wankfest I’d rather he just stayed home.

      • Topher0820

        I heard Shawn mention on a podcast they’ve already tried to throw money at him to come back at 32, but he turned them down

        • Adam “Colorado” Curry

          I think Austin has said the same thing.

    • Daniel O’Reilly

      It sounds like DB is ready to go right now, but the WWE docs won’t clear him because of the concussion lawsuits.

      • brocore

        Which is why it would be good to hold off on his return until Mania. Have him come out in early January to announce that he’ll be making his return… as a commentator. Immediately, someone like Rusev or Kevin Owens can start mocking him until Bryan helps to get the guy eliminated from the Rumble. The heel then goes out of his way to provoke Bryan for a few weeks until he threatens Brie, which causes Bryan to finally snap and attack the heel. The heel then threatens to sue the company because he’s a shithead, but Bryan goads the heel into signing a contract releasing the company of liability so Bryan can foot the bill… with the stipulation that heel must first beat Bryan at Wrestlemania to get the money. Because wrestling contracts are magical and can’t be broken no matter what, you have yourself Daniel Bryan’s Wrestlemania return.

        • Curtis Williams

          Well yeah, not everyone can have Big Show’s iron clad contract.

        • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

          KO powerbombing Brie would be incredible

          • brocore

            Look, we’re not trying to turn him face here.

    • Adam “Colorado” Curry

      Kane vs. Big Show?

      • brocore

        It’ll be the biggest match of all time, pal!

    • WhiteGoodman

      Hulk Hogan vs. New Jack

      • Daniel O’Reilly

        Would Hogan feel guilty enough to let New Jack blade him?

        • “I had a surgical scalpel and I cut that mother fucker… Deep…”

    • Koko B. Flair

      Cena (with Amy Shumer) vs. LeBron
      Rollins vs. John Stewart
      Stardust vs. Arrow
      Reigns vs. Terminator
      Sandow vs. Hugh Jackman
      Miz vs. Michael Strahan
      Kevin Owens vs. Machine Gun Kelly

      • Cena might/should win, the rest are celeb wins.

  • Daniel O’Reilly

    Having Taker go over is the logical way to go, if everyone completely ignores how old he looks. Taker doesn’t walk slowly for effect anymore. If he were to be accidentally set on fire by his pyro again, I’m not even sure he’d be able to get it out in time.

  • Vintage

    I don’t even care about the logic side of the match right now. I can’t get past the fact that the match is going to suck six ways from Sunday.

    • Mike Mears

      I’m not the least bit convinced it’ll suck.

  • WhiteGoodman

    This rematch reminds me of the Triple H-Brock Lesnar rematch at WrestleMania 29 that nobody wanted to see because everyone knew Triple H was getting his win back.

    • zanatude

      Except for the part where it was actually CM Punk that fought Undertaker at Wrestlemania 29.

      • WhiteGoodman

        What does that have to do with anything? I’m talking about the boring three match series between Lesnar and Triple H

  • Kenola

    The only thing that makes sense is an Undertaker heel run with Kane as part of the Authority with Kane helping UT get his win back.

  • Mike Mears

    I don’t know how they’re going to book it and that has me excited. I wasn’t feeling this last Sunday, but having just watched Raw, if you aren’t looking forward to this I can’t really help you.

    • Kyle Warne

      The match can be ten times better than the one at mania and still only be passable.

      Hard pass.

      • Adam “Colorado” Curry

        And it’s the Undertaker (who I’ve never really wanted to see to begin with) in 2015 in an angle that makes no sense and just reeks of desperation. It has the stink of 1998-99 WCW all over it. Not the feud, but the company as a whole.

        • Mike Mears

          We must not have seen the same Raw.

          • Adam “Colorado” Curry

            I didn’t see Raw at all. It’s Undertaker, I don’t care.

          • Mike Mears

            That was my reaction Sunday night. Then I watched Raw and I can’t wait for that match. There’ll be plenty of snowflakes the rest of the weekend.

          • Mike Mears

            And for that matter, it’s not like Taker’s last two matches were these embarrassments some have claimed they were. They were…OK. But when his last, like, six matches before that were all incredible, I guess they might seem awful by comparison. The Brock match at 30 was too long but the actual work wasn’t bad.

          • Adam “Colorado” Curry

            The quality of the match isn’t my concern, the fact that it shouldn’t be happening is. And I’d hardly call the last matches before that great. The Punk one and the 2 Shawn ones, sure, but the first HHH one was merely decent and the HITC one sucked, though Taker himself was definitely not the reason why.

            Wasn’t there a 6 man in there somewhere? Maybe shortly after 29?

          • Mike Mears

            Eh, I’m not getting into it with you on the Taker/HHH matches again. They were both awesome, but to each their own.

      • Mike Mears

        Super, then don’t watch. I’ll enjoy it. If pure match quality is all you care about, there are plenty of wrestling promotions catering to that.

        • Kyle Warne

          There is more to wrestling than pure match quality.

          None of those things involve a senior citizen who can’t go anymore main eventing with a guy who can’t even hit his offense lest his opponent break into dust.

          • Mike Mears

            I don’t agree that he can’t go. And they’re both good enough workers that I think they’ll figure out a pretty good match that will have off-the-charts heat. I think Taker is in much better physical condition than he was at WMXXX and they’re both much hotter characters, especially Brock. And I think they’ll be smart enough to not book a slow, plodding 30-minute match. And again, that wasn’t an awful match. It was just awful compared to Taker’s seven straight awesome WM matches that preceded it.

            If you’re not interested, cool. Like I said, I felt the same way at the conclusion of Battleground. But after Raw, I’m pretty hyped about it.

          • Kyle Warne

            The match at mania was a total dud.

            The audience in my theater were OPENLY talking shit and laughing at how bad it was, followed by a collective “wtf, THAT piece of shit is the end of the streak. OK then”

          • Mike Mears

            Oh. Well, then I guess I was wrong.

          • Adam “Colorado” Curry

            And what is he getting revenge for? Brock “breaking” Kane’s leg hasn’t even been mentioned, right? Because otherwise there’s no vengeance to be had over a 100% clean loss from a year and a half ago.

  • Mike Fitzgerald

    I suppose they could have undertaker avenge the streak at summer slam. Brock wants a rematch for Mania and to get it says that if undertaker wins, the result of the original mania match is reversed and the streak will officially never have been broken. Against mania 30, it’ll just say undertaker won by reversed decision, thus he’ll be 23-0

    • KnockLesnar

      That’s pretty much the worst idea ever.

  • Eric Von Erich

    They’ll probably go the rubber match route, but I’d rather see something like this. Note some of this idea comes from JR on his podcast.

    Brock wins clean again at Summerslam. Then have Brock get back on track and win the title before Wrestlemania. Undertaker resurfaces again to challenge for the title because he just has to beat Brock. Brock and Heyman allow it, but on the condition that it’s Undertaker’s last match ever, win or lose. You then have Lesnar vs. Undertaker for the title in Undertaker’s last match ever in Dallas in front of 100,000. UT wins and immediately has to forfeit the title.

    There are a lot of problems with this (e.g., the rumble winner gets a title shot at mania, etc.), but that’s why it’s called fantasy booking.

    • Adam “Colorado” Curry

      The biggest problem being have a guy win the title at WM and immediately forfeiting it. That would be the dumbest thing Vince has ever done. Second dumbest would be making a match where a guy has to retire win or lose a title match.

      • Eric Von Erich

        I beg to differ. Vince has done at least 20 things dumber than both of those. He already had Edge retire with the title, so it’s not without precedent.

        The reason I like this plan is that it concludes Undertaker’s career in a satisfactory way. He rides off into the sunset conquering his greatest foe and holding the greatest prize in the land. And I think it would help them draw 100K in Dallas if the fans know that it is Undertaker’s last match ever, win or lose.

        You also get the title off Brock, pissing him off and allowing him to chase whatever chickenshit heel that ends up with the belt after some tournament. I find that storyline entertaining, so sue me.

        Finally, the tournament can play out for the entire month on RAW, create story lines that propagate for the rest of the year, and the final can be a fresh main event of Backlash.

        • Phrederic

          Since when has it been learned that people knew that Mania would be Edge’s last match?

          • Eric Von Erich

            Fair enough. I’d forgotten how that all played out. He couldn’t even be medically cleared to do a roll-up or anything.

          • Phrederic

            Well…maybe Edge politicked his way into going out on top.

            The way the angle was looking like it would’ve been a rematch leading to Christian turning on Edge and them feuding, then ADR would’ve held it or dropped it to Orton or whatever.

            I think the only reason Christian held the belt was because they felt sorry that Edge had to retire or they wanted to exploit it in a Rey/Eddie way.

          • I think they knew it was a possibility.

          • Adam “Colorado” Curry

            Didn’t he retire the next night?

          • Stan Ford

            Possibility, maybe, but if they thought he was in such rough shape that he couldn’t do a bullshit brawl and a roll up, they would have sacrificed that match with Del Rio that curtain-jerked WM.

            You can’t hang that on them. They suspected he was in bad shape, but you know what wrestlers are in bad shape? Half of them at any given time.

          • Phrederic

            I think people knew Edge is frail, hence them building Smackdown around him, not an important thing.

            But nothing I’ve heard makes me think that they threw a crippled man out there. I suspect that maybe Edge knew.

      • That would hardly be the dumbest thing Vince has ever done. If there’s a lot of eyeballs on the match and UT wins and retires, then now you’ve got a ton of fans who want to see who the next champion is gonna be.

      • KnockLesnar

        Third dumbest being having the title contested between two guys who work a combined six matches per year.

    • Parliboy

      Sheamus cashes in the briefcase and immediately pins abeyance.

    • Koko B. Flair

      I don’t think it’s a bad idea to change the stips of the Rumble once in a while. If you made this year’s Rumble for the MITB briefcase, for example, or for a title shot at Extreme Rules, it actually expands the field of potential winners from the usual 2-3 possibilities.

    • rumanchu

      They could always work the Rumble into the equation: Taker could come into the Rumble through some sort of shenanigans and win, then Paul could use the questionable legitimacy of Taker’s win as justification for the “it’s your last match ever” stipulation.

      Of course, the problem with *that* is that it means that Vince can’t use the Rumble as a way to try to force a star on us, so….

    • KnockLesnar

      No. Just, no.

  • greaterpower99

    I probably in the minority, but I don’t think there’s any chance of taker going over. Vince isn’t THAT stupid.

    • PATRICKisLEGEND

      You think he “dies trying” at WrestleMania?

      • Koko B. Flair

        I’m getting a visual of Brock doing like a German superplex off the ropes and Taker just crashing through a hole in the ring, never to be seen again.

        • zanatude

          Yokozuna already killed him once, and he came back. Fans would still expect the same.

  • Koko B. Flair

    If this is Undertaker’s last match, I have no problem with him winning. He’s earned that much. In terms of storylines and in WWE Reality, Taker is still considered damn near unbeatable, so Brock isn’t hurt too much by the loss. They just quickly move Brock onto his next opponent and that’s that.
    But I suspect what’ll happen is that Taker loses after putting up a good fight, they do the “respect handshake” deal, and Taker retires. Or, same scenario with the match, and Taker announces he’s having one more match as his official farewell. Maybe that match is against Kane. And whether Kane is still in the Authority or if he’s in his current character limbo, they basically break kayfabe for the occasion and do the Bret Hart-Chris Benoit exhibition/tribute match where storylines and angles don’t matter. Taker wins that one and calls it a career.

    • HartKiller_09

      If Undertaker is physically able to walk to the to ring he’s doing WM for the foreseeable future.

      • Koko B. Flair

        Maybe that farewell match is at WM then. I do see the appeal of him going out in Texas. Or he could retire sooner and his HOF induction will be his Mania 32 appearance.

        • Adam “Colorado” Curry

          I would honestly induct Taker and Sting and have them wrestle each other.

          • Stan Ford

            This. Just call it a dream match, give it the WWE video package special that makes it look epic as fuck, write it off as a non-canon special attraction and be done with it.

      • Stan Ford

        Unless he dies or gets paralyzed, Taker could wrestle on every Raw and PPV between now and WM32 and there’s no way his final match isn’t at some WM.

    • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

      I hate the “he’s earned it” thing in a worked sport. He should go out in a way that benefits someone else. He isn’t actually “winning” anything and there is nothing to lose with him jobbing. He should lay down for a new star at Mania (Reigns?) and make someone with whatever star power he has left

    • Stuart_Chartock

      I feel like Taker’s last match should be at “Survivor Series” this year – it’ll be twenty-five years since his debut, and it’d be a great way to make that PPV feel special.

      That said, it’s totally understandable of his last match was at a “WM”.

  • Michael Kehm

    The lights will go out and… “THIS GOTTA BE KANE!!!111eleven” 😉 and they will build to Taker vs Kane at Wrestlemania or so. 😉

    • Deceptivelysane

      You forgot “but whose side is he on?!?!?”

      • Michael Kehm

        “He’s the third man!” Wait, that was another match. 😉

  • Lesnar is winning for the shock factor. Taker goes on to doubt himself, which leads to his retirement match at Mania against [insert name here].

  • Eric Von Erich

    I’m interested to see how they work the match. Undertaker doesn’t look like he can work the way he did in his match with Brock two years ago. He definitely can’t take tons of german suplexes. What do they do for 20 minutes? Do we get a through-the-crowd brawl? It seems like they’d want to make it no-dq to try to hide the limitations, but maybe they want to save that stip for later.

  • KevinLockard

    The optimist in me still doesn’t want to believe that Taker was brought back for any other reason than to put Brock over again. I look at it like this – if they had booked Rollins/Brock/Reigns or Rollins/Brock/Taker for Summerslam, Brock wouldn’t have won. He would have maintained as much credibility as possible by avoiding the pinfall or submission loss, but he still wouldn’t have won. That would have made three PPV matches in a row this year where Brock walked in and didn’t get the satisfaction of walking out with the pinfall/submission victory (which is considered the definitive way of defeating somebody), which might have seemed absurd to Vince and the people booking the show who want to keep Brock as strong as possible, so perhaps Taker was brought in just so Brock can be given a big decisive victory over someone in the middle of the ring at Summerslam.

  • Peezy

    But doesn’t the Streak Revenge Tour destroy Brock’s credibility if he loses, and thus negating the whole point of breaking the streak in the first place?

    Undertaker winning this match would be cataclysmically dumb on WWE’s part.

    • PeteF3

      Yes. Was Mick Foley getting revenge on Triple H the “right” result in the Hell in a Cell match at No Way Out?

    • Adam “Colorado” Curry

      The way Brock has been built up as this superhuman beast losing to anyone would hurt his credibility, which is why when it eventually happens it has to be for something bigger than a one time buyrate. But losing to a broken down old man that he beat clean as a sheet the last time out would be especially damaging.

    • Kyle Warne

      Implying that investing this much in part timer brock wasn’t already catastrophically dumb.

      Brock is a money sink who doesn’t move the needle enough to justify his ungodly salary..

      None of this makes any difference

      • Adam “Colorado” Curry

        I’ve said this before, but paying a guy a ton to bring in PPV buys right at the same time you intentionally kill your PPV market was incredibly fucking stupid.

    • Virgil’s Gimmick Table

      This is Vince’s plan all along. THE ULTIMATE DISPLAY OF 50/50 BOOKING! HA! HAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • shittybulldog

    I predict interference and a screwjob because that’s all WWE does.

    • juvydriver

      Distraction roll up finish? That would be great…

  • Curtis Williams

    WWE truly booked themselves into a corner: Brock can’t lose because he’s fucking Brock Lesnar and I doubt Vince has the balls to have his last big creation still around 25 years later take another L.

    • Stan Ford

      I don’t think they see it as a corner. Brock would job to Heath Slater if his check cleared and Taker is Taker.

      Cena/Taker would be what they would see as a corner, which is probably why Vince hasn’t done it and has never (to my knowledge) even been rumored/stated to have discussed it as an idea.

    • DeAndre

      Just do a 60 minute time limit draw.

      • Phrederic

        The two of them destroy each other, maybe?

  • BODConscience

    The question I have is , is it worth the undertaker winning at SS and then have Lesnar retire him at WM therefore him breaking the streak and ending his career so he could pass that along to the next ‘john Cena’ who beats him and get the rub? I would lean towards no. You could make 2 different guys by doing one each. Plus I don’t want to see them fight 3 times.

    • Mick

      No. Its beat Lesnar, then have Cena win the WWE title to have Undertaker’s career vs WWE title at WM. Come on now.

      • Stuart_Chartock

        I really hadn’t thought of that – “The Streak” was the biggest prize possible, but Taker’s career is a decent second-best option.

  • kylelitke

    Yeah, but Lesnar literally has not been pinned or submitted since the second HHH match. You’re really going to end that with the guy who might have one match left in his career?

    I’m not saying WWE won’t book it that way, they don’t always book in ways that seem to make sense, but finally having Brock lose after all this to the Undertaker of all people is stupid, I think.

    • HartKiller_09

      With the cheap way his last two appearances ended losing really isn’t much worse.

  • Mick

    Betting time: Over/under on F5 counters/kick-outs: 6 Over/Under(taker) on Tombstone counters/kickouts: 4

    • Curtis Williams

      Under
      Push

  • Heidenreich

    If Taker has to win, have it be by a DQ. Taker gets a quick shot or two in on Brock, then Lesnar nails him with a suplex. Then fifteen to twenty minutes of Lesnar just kicking his ass from pillar to post but UT keeps kicking out. He won’t stay down. Eventually Brock gets frustrated and smashes him with a chair. Or Heyman hits him with a chair.

    UT pinning him is the worst possible result.

    • WhiteGoodman

      This is the company that had Brock Lesnar lose in his first match back in the company to “pay his dues” or some bullshit and then subjected fans to three Triple H-Lesnar matches with Triple H as the face.

      • Heidenreich

        Oh I know it’s stupid. And I know it’s going to happen. I just think it shouldn’t. Although if I pick up Undertaker in my fantasy wrestling league then at least i’ll get points out of it.

  • Johnny Resthold

    I’m sorry, are people actually debating who should win in a match between Viking Space Lord Brock Lesnar and a 150 year-old man?

    • Mike Mears

      Yes, because they’re fictional characters who won’t be engaging in legitimate fisticuffs.

  • The_Bo

    not only did Brock break the streak, he’s also undefeated against Undertaker from his first run

  • HartKiller_09

    I really don’t think Undertaker’s going away for good anytime soon. He’ll probably stay in pretty good shape because that’s what he’s done his whole life, and Vince will make a call a couple of months before every Wrestlemania and out he’ll trot to make $1 million for one night of work.

    • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

      Stay in pretty good shape?

  • John Petrie

    Sting interferes, saving Brock having to do the job, setting up Undertaker vs. Sting.

    • Daniel O’Reilly

      I could live with that.

      • John Petrie

        It also helps turn the Authority face (if that’s what WWE is intent on doing). Sting notices how hard Triple H is working on making the match happen at SummerSlam, so he “spoils” the match by attacking the Undertaker, as revenge for his (Sting’s) loss at WrestleMania. The next night the Authority calls out Sting, Sting explains his actions, attacks Hunter with a baseball bat, and as he stands threateningly over Stephanie the lights go out and Undertaker makes the save. You get an Authority face turn, Sting heel turn, Undertaker as face vs. heel Sting, and heel Sting can do however many jobs as they need and no one will gripe because 1) he’s Sting, and 2) he’s the heel. Then they can come back down the road for another Undertaker/Lesnar match after Brock has given the rub to someone with a clean loss.

        • justicegris

          I thought you gave up? Are you back?

          (Not being challenging, they said you were done, if you are back…welcome back I guess?)

          • John Petrie

            Just peeking over the fence, suggesting how to get rid of their weed problem.

        • WhiteGoodman

          Just what we need: face Triple H and Stephanie

          • Adam “Colorado” Curry

            And heel Sting, that totally worked the first time.

          • John Petrie

            Did face Sting beat Triple H at WrestleMania? Not as if WWE is looking to preserve Sting’s legacy as a babyface. If they think there’s money in jobbing him to the Undertaker then it might as well be as a heel so long as it helps out the storyline.

          • Matthew Maynard Adams

            You know I give you the upmost respect as an IWC guy. Hell, you’re the guy that Scott openly admits that he stole his style from, you’re like the Billy Graham to his Hogan.

            But Sting as a heel? Go home John, you’re drunk.

          • John Petrie

            Is the Undertaker heel now because he attacked Lesnar? It served the agenda of the Authority, so why isn’t he a heel? Context. He’s looking to avenge The Streak being ended.

            When I say Sting go heel, I don’t mean he’s going to go out there, start tearing up signs and badmouthing local sports teams. Just as Undertaker committed a heelish act against Lesnar, Sting would do the same to the Undertaker. Interfere in the SummerSlam match as retribution for losing to Triple H at Mania. It’s literally the exact same angle they just did with Undertaker. But I added if they are looking to cement an Authority face turn (which like it it not is what they’ve been in recent weeks: faces), then having Sting get physical with Hunter helps with that, and gives a clearer face/heel dynamic for a match with Taker. This all obviously presupposes them even being interested in doing Taker/Sting to begin with. I’m merely describing Sting as a heel based on specific actions, not a full-blown attitude change where he spits on kids and argues with old ladies at ringside. Shades of gray, not black & white.

          • Matthew Maynard Adams

            “Is the Undertaker heel now because he attacked Lesnar?”

            The fact that you started with that sentence and then needed a whole paragraph to explain everything else just tells me why this ENTIRE ANGLE FUCKING BLOWS.

            Someone told me a long time ago when I first got into this internet thing with wrestling, it might have very well been you in fact, that if you can’t explain the basic story of an angle in 3 sentences or less to someone then it’s not being done right.

            And BTW, turning the Authority face isn’t the worst thing they could do (that would be having Sheamus actually cash in and win the title), but it’s damn close.

          • John Petrie

            I don’t think we disagree here, I’m just throwing out an idea to walk ’em back out of the minefield they themselves walked into.

          • Matthew Maynard Adams

            Only way I’d finish this feud is having Brock suplex Taker until Taker explodes into a cloud of dust. I could give a fuck less what happens to him after that, we already have enough of a problem with Cena (and really Brock) not helping anyone get over, we don’t need to add Sting and Taker to the mix.

            As always, I’m not blaming them, but the booking of these guys, and HHH, and Rock, basically having a big circle jerk and not elevating anyone will eventually kill this company. And fuck them for it.

          • John Petrie

            It’s what they’ve been for weeks now. Not saying I like it, but it’s not heels that brought in the NXT women or stopped the Undertaker & Lesnar from fighting.

          • WhiteGoodman

            But “The Authority” still includes Rollins, J&J, and Kane, who are all heels.

            Which is a huge problem: Triple H and Stephanie are heels 90% of the time, and then faces 10% of the time. It’s not so much “shades of grey” as “shades of inconsistent storytelling”

          • John Petrie

            J&J and Kane have been written out of the picture, and Rollins has a tenuous connection to the Authority in recent weeks. Last week he bragged to them about winning at the PPV, and that was followed by him being confronted by Cena. Whether deliberate or just a lull in their storytelling, they haven’t had the Authority involved in anything overtly heelish in weeks.

        • JDW

          Sting never should have been a heel–and he certainly shouldn’t be a heel at this point in his career.

          • John Petrie

            You mean his currently ended career? You don’t think he’d go heel if it meant a match against the Undertaker?

        • KnockLesnar

          Heel Sting is a horrible idea. And no one would cheer the authority over him.

          • John Petrie

            They’d be cheering Undertaker, not the Authority.

        • DeAndre

          Did the authority ever get their comeuppance?

          • John Petrie

            Nope, and I doubt they will.

          • El Salvaje

            No hhh never does.and never will

    • El Salvaje

      That match should have happened 9 years ago.it’s to late now there both to old and it means nothing.they both lost at mania already. Id like them to team up at a non wm ppv though

  • Stan Ford

    No, that’s the right booking. Taker beating Lesnar is a total disgrace that reduces the legit talking point of Lesnar ending the streak to another generic 50/50 parity booking lump of horseshit and makes Lesnar look awful for losing to Angry Grandpa.

    But since when has a decision being the wrong one stopped them?

    I almost, almost, feel like this is so obvious that they HAVE to see it and have something else planned besides Taker winning clean, but I think that’s just me getting my hopes up.

  • Brian Nielsen

    From: “It worked the first time”

    Taker and Brock brawl for 20 minutes until they are both Steiner-ed out. Sheamus runs down, cashes in the briefcase, bell rings…….and he realizes he just booked himself into a 3-way non title match.

    27 tombstones and suplexes later, we fade to black.

    • El Salvaje

      That’s what needs to happen brocks costs to much money to job.

  • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

    Absolutely. If for no other reason than: Brock still has value and nothing can conceivably be gained from Taker winning

    • WhiteGoodman

      Brock still has the rub of being the guy who broke the streak and the monster who hasn’t been pinned in over 2 years.

      Losing to Taker kills both of those things, unfortuantely

      • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

        Exactly.

  • Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog

    If they want to do the Ric Flair “Old Yeller” career end for Taker, then the right move is for Brock to beat him again. Then Taker gives it one more go against someone at Wrestlemania 32 to finish his career.

  • JDW

    I at least hope that if Taker wins, they head towards Cena vs. Taker at Mania. But I’m terrified that they’ll decide to run Taker/Lesnar again at Mania instead.

  • Stuart_Chartock

    “You pretty much have to have Undertaker go over here if you’re telling the Streak Revenge Tour story. ”

    Sure, they could tell that story, or we could get something more interesting that would benefit more people and the business.

    This is where I really hate the idea of sticking to tropes, and why I think the “it’s worked for a hundred years” argument is flawed. Yes, maybe it did work for a hundred years, but things are much different now; this is no longer the time where kayfabe is latched onto by wrestlers and believed by fans, nor is this the time where what we see on the surface is the only thing that interests us.

    The face doesn’t have to win every feud. It makes much more sense to let the heel won sometimes, to build him up as an actual threat, so that when it’s time to run the top face against the top heel (like, say, at “WM”), it actually generates interest and a better story (which, from a business standpoint, results in dollars).

    I mean, did anyone really want to see Trips get revenge on Brock at WM29? The complete silence in the arena should tip you off to the answer. I fear that this will be similar.

    Ideally, Brock should beat Taker again, regain the title soon after, and then drop it to the next guy that they want to make. Meanwhile, Taker is crushed at the loss, and can go in several interesting directions: he could start to doubt himself, giving him a more human side to rally behind; maybe the loss causes him to doubt himself, but instead of becoming softer and more human, he becomes more demonic and driven; maybe he turns heel and joins “The Authority”; maybe he retires, and Vince appoints him the new (face) authority figure, so that we can FINALLY get rid of the whole “heel boss” trope, as well as the “person in charge has to be all over every episode” trope; maybe Sting is the guy to help rehabilitate him after the loss, and they become a pair of avenging angels, periodically dropping in when too much injustice is happening, leading to either a Taker-Sting vs. Trips-Rollins (our similar) match at WM… anything is better than doing the same BS 50/50 booking, especially when one of the guys in the 50/50 booking actually is 50 and can barely walk.

    Or Taker can get his win back, Brock can continue to be a completely mishandled investment, and no good comes of any of it. Cuz the face winning “has worked for a hundred years”.

    • JDW

      I think going with tropes is often the most satisfying story – but I agree that sometimes it’s a good idea to toss them out. Look at the success Game of Thrones has had by purposely going against what is expected.

    • Matthew Maynard Adams

      “The face doesn’t have to win every feud. It makes much more sense to let
      the heel won sometimes, to build him up as an actual threat”

      See Owens, Kevin and Cena, John.

      • Michael Kehm

        Well that’s why we want Cena to be heel, because then when he wins, the face won’t. 😉 Or if the face wins then, it will be better for all of us.

    • Basscase

      Good storytelling will always win out. Sure stuff has worked for 100 years, and there’s always variations to those storylines, but good storytelling will sell itself.

      That’s the problem the E has, and when they actually do get a storyline that works, sometimes they screw it up.

  • El Salvaje

    Is brock a face or heel he’s chasing rollins but suddenly takers back so brocks heel. I like undertaker but I want brock to beat him I don’t care about his revenge the match was a year and a half ago.and taker will be gone til next March anyway

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