NXT WarGames an all time great?

Do you think that in terms of top to bottom quality that WarGames deserves some recognition as one of the best shows WWE has ever put on?

Five matches, two of them good, three of them great. Two new champs. Hot crowd throughout. Hype packages to catch you up on the feuds, but virtually no fluff beyond that, with the whole thing being wrapped up in a tidy 2.5 hours. The best announcing team they have at the moment.

Seriously, am I crazy or was this the most enjoyable thing they've put together in years? 


You're not crazy, I enjoyed the hell out of it, especially the shockingly great Dream match and the upset in the title match.  


​Hey Scott,
I loved the show, too, but I have to admit that I was really taken out of the main event at times with the clumsy directing and heavy-handed camera positioning of the guys in the match by the​ referees. I know it's developmental, but it's the main event of one of NXT's four biggest shows of the year (and featuring several legit veterans) — do you think the refs should really have to blatantly call spots throughout the match? If nothing else, the refs need to disguise it better. It was especially clumsy in the War Games match. I almost hate to bring it up because of how awesome the show was overall, but Vince gets so much flak from overproducing the announcers via headset and I think HHH has a tendency to overproduce the matches, as they are happening, through the referees. I really feel that it actually took a little bit away from the main event. I'm fine with the refs directing traffic in the matches — that's part of their job — but it's way too obvious and way too distracting in a lot of NXT matches. (And I'm not even talking about the positioning after Wolfe cut busted open on the suplex. I understand the reasoning and necessity for that. I was bothered by the prominent directions being given by the referees before that even happened.)

I didn't personally notice, but I can see how that would bug. 

Sunday Thread

  • Survivor Series is tonight, headlined by Brock Lesnar vs. AJ Styles and two Raw vs. Smackdown 5-on-5 matches
  • Drew McIntyre is thought to have suffered a torn bicep during his NXT title match last night, according to Triple H
  • Insane Championship Wrestling’s Fear & Loathing show takes place in the SSE Hydro arena in Glasgow today
  • For some Sunday reading, check out Scott’s Rant and Thomas Hall’s review of Takeover: Wargames and Maffew’s retrospective of ECW on Sci-Fi 2006-2007

Now talk, heathens!

ECW On Sci-Fi #81 12/25/2007 (Retrospective)

ECW On Sci-Fi #81 12/25/2007

This is a retrospective episode with highlights of Lashley’s feud with The McMahons, New Breed vs. Originals and Morrison vs. Punk. It ends with with Tazz kicking Joey Styles into a Christmas Tree so this GIF saved you an hour.

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Smackdown – June 19, 2003

Date: June 19, 2003
Location: SBC Center, San Antonio, Texas
Commentators: Michael Cole, Tazz

So after last week’s main event saw Big Show and Brock Lesnar break the ring, it’s probably time to set up a rematch because these two have to be stuck fighting each other forever. Other than that Kurt Angle is back and full on face again, having fired Team Angle. There are some good stories going on around here at the moment so let’s get to it.

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NXT Takeover: WarGames

Takeover: WarGames
Date: November 19, 2017
Location: Toyota Center, Houston, Texas
Commentators: Percy Watson, Nigel McGuinness, Mauro Ranallo

It’s time! After nearly twenty years of waiting, we’re FINALLY back to the biggest gimmick of them all. Well at least to the WWE version of the thing. Tonight there will be three trios involved in the match, which could make for a rather interesting edition of WarGames. At least it’s here though. Let’s get to it.

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Best/Worst Survivor Series?

Hey, Scott:

Since it’s the season, I’m curious as to what you think were the best and worst Survivor Series? As PPVs go, everyone seems to have an opinion on best/worst Wrestlemania or Royal Rumble, but 30 years of Survivor Series and it seems the individual events don’t hold the same place in fans’ hearts.

​Yeah, for me it's easily the most missable of the Big Four and doesn't really hold any particular place of specialness in my heart.  Quality-wise, Survivor Series 97 was complete garbage, but of course by far the most memorable.  93 was hella-weak and I'd probably call it the worst, followed closely by 91, which was so bad that they tried to kill off the elimination match format as a result.  
None of them really inspire any great excitement from me.  I love the elimination matches on the original 87 and 88 shows.  98 is of course a classic.  2002 was pretty fun thanks to MSG.  96 is highly underrated and features one of the great matches of the modern era.  ​Anything past 2003, forget it, I can't even remember the shows.  

Invasion Era

Hindsight 20/20, should they have delayed the Invasion angle about 6 months or so until the likes of Flair & nWo would be available, or would it be holding off the momentum of the WCW purchase too long, potentially neutralizing any benefit of doing it right away?

Sub-Question, the separate ramps entrances at the Invasion PPV for the two sides was both aesthetically & logically cool. Think they should bring that back for helping with face/heel dynamics?

​The ramp thing is EXACTLY what they should be doing for Survivor Series.  
And hindsight 20/20, they should have done a LOT of things differently with the Invasion.  I will at least play devil's advocate with your first question, however, and note that they were wanting to do a new WCW show right away and waiting six months would have likely meant it couldn't happen, so they had to proceed with what they had.  Overall, though, they needed Flair and Goldberg to make it work.  ​


From Cageside Seats:
• According to James McKenna on Wrestling Sheet Radio, at one point WWE had the idea of doing Charlotte vs. James Ellsworth for the women's championship at WrestleMania.
• What's more, they were apparently going to get there by having Ellsworth become transgender.

Get the hell outta here. How much is Vince Russo smiling at that idea?

​Have we all forgotten the saga of Harvina Wippleman already?  So it's not like the idea is without precedent.  Maybe they could have transplanted his balls into his chin.​